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Does anyone have a welders math test?I remember filling out quite a few of those things throughout the years.  The ranged from finding a measurement on a rule and adding fractions to the pythagorean theorem of a leg to a rise.  I have to start testing people.. The last guy that worked here was having problems with his print reading because he did not know how to read decimals. It never occurred to me to ask before he was hired.Thanks in advance.-MikeCommon sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
Reply:Maybe pick up a study copy for the math section of a high school SAT test.  All stuff you need should be covered in basic high school math requirements.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
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Reply:I was going to make the same suggestion as DesertRider has with the S.A.T.'S or maybe the test that is given for a G.E.D., unless they use the same test for both. Don't know if they use the same test or not.I am what I am, Deal with it!If necessity is the Mother of Invention, I must be the Father of Desperation!
Reply:I don't know if it would be worth it to you or not, but you could always develop your own test. Years ago I took one when I was hired at a remodeling/construction company that not only covered the math skills, but other aspects of the job.  The owner was a friend of mine, and I was kind of surprised that he tested me, but he was quite proud of his test, and after taking it, I did understand why. It really helped him to quickly determine two major things. One was where you had been, as far as general knowledge. The other was mostly math related, and basically showed whether or not you had the aptitude for the job.I guess that is my long winded way of saying that a pre employment questionaire/test with questions about the stuff you do every day may help you find out some key things about a prospect before you waste time and money.My buddy did develop and update his test over the years, and I know it helped him weed though the applicants faster. The key was that it was specific to his needs, and gave him a good guage as far as "trainability".
Reply:Hobart carries a book for welder math, we have it in our class though from what the instructor had us do it wasn't much but it was a struggle for me because I've never had any kind of job that required the use of math beyond simple addition and subtraction since high school in the last 23 years.  Had it not been for a Texas Instruments scientific calculator I would not have been able to do the math in my head so what ever job I apply for it's going to have to be one that doesn't require me to fabricate on the fly.
Reply:Try this . . . not extensive and more than just math.  The first post is the test . . . second is the test with answers.http://microzone.us/weldingforum/ind...ic,1646.0.html
Reply:Originally Posted by BrainfarthDoes anyone have a welders math test?I remember filling out quite a few of those things throughout the years.  The ranged from finding a measurement on a rule and adding fractions to the pythagorean theorem of a leg to a rise.  I have to start testing people.. The last guy that worked here was having problems with his print reading because he did not know how to read decimals. It never occurred to me to ask before he was hired.Thanks in advance.-Mike
Reply:I have to agree with the suggestion that the test should be oriented toward what kind of math a person will need to do YOUR jobs in YOUR shop or stuff that you think you will be doing in YOUR shop in the near future. If you PERSONALLY go over your prints, spec sheets, maybe job orders or whatever you use, and etc., you shuold be able to determine what an employee will need to operate in YOUR shop. You may find out a lot about each applicant's skills, knowledge, training, attitudes and etc. while you are observing them during testing and when you are grading the tests if you give it a reasonable amount of thought. Testing people for math that is beyond what you need in YOUR shop is a waste of time. Who cares if you find the next Einstein? That guy will most likely bail out on you as soon as the nearest university or high tech company needs a really great math guy. You may notice that I have said "YOUR shop" a lot here...the best test is one that is tailored to what you need.
Reply:Took me a little while to draw everything up from scratch.. But this is what I have come up with so far... I'll work on the size and perportions later.If you can think of more things to add, let me know. Attached ImagesCommon sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
Reply:A= 47"B= 47 3/8"C= 47 13/16"D= 48 1/8"E= 48 5/8"F= 49 1/16"A= 10Outside distance from A to B = 5.236Outside distance from A to C (in each direction) = 10.472 and 20.944Straight line from A to B = 5I think these are correct.
Reply:Keep trying.Last edited by Brainfarth; 12-01-2009 at 03:01 PM.Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
Reply:oops I forgot to put the answers for the 4 questions after the ruler questions:5/16 + 7/8 = 1 13/163/8 * 8 = 31.5 - 9/16 = 15/163 7/8 / .4375 = 8.85714Last edited by BurningMetal; 12-01-2009 at 04:55 PM.
Reply:.71% correct. Guess that test is tougher than I first thought... I think I should change the 3 7/8 over .4375 since is it an infinate answer.Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
Reply:Originally Posted by Brainfarth.71% correct.
Reply:Okay... you caught the addition question... You get 79%Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
Reply:I've updated a few things on it... Hopefully I didnt make any mistakes. Attached ImagesCommon sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
Reply:Hobart Institute of Welding Technology, www.welding.org, has a class called Blueprint reading for Welders.  The handbook for this class can be purchased from the bookstore online.  The class covers welding symbols math, and simple blueprint reading exercises.  It would be a good foundation for a new hire test for welders.  Just my $0.02.Benson's Mobile Welding - Dayton, OH metro area - AWS Certified Welding Inspector
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Reply:just saw the "in decimals" for D,E and F.those answers would be:D = 48.125E = 48.625F = 49.0625oh yeah....and I definately goofed (or typoed) in the 3/16 vs. 13/16
Reply:Originally Posted by Brainfarth.71% correct. Guess that test is tougher than I first thought... I think I should change the 3 7/8 over .4375 since is it an infinate answer.
Reply:dondlhmn... Get off the high horse.  Slow down on the coffee. This is about the test, not about me and my great typing ability.Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
Reply:One thing that kinda supprised me is that you guys got the cord length of the circle question right off the bat.. I use that from time to time in the shop and have the formula taped to my calculator.. But lately I've been using AutoCad and it's been a snap to come up with the answer. If you can think of more questions that might be relevant to a custom fab shop, just let me know.Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
Reply:Just curious.  On the circle problem.  Are we to ASSUME the spaces are all 60 degrees a part and that B and E are 180 degrees apart.  I might be missing something, however I think you need to state that somewhere, you only same A to B is 60 degrees.
Reply:Originally Posted by BrainfarthOne thing that kinda supprised me is that you guys got the cord length of the circle question right off the bat.. I use that from time to time in the shop and have the formula taped to my calculator.. But lately I've been using AutoCad and it's been a snap to come up with the answer. If you can think of more questions that might be relevant to a custom fab shop, just let me know.the 60 degree angle did make that easy......as someone else said....it was an equilateral triangle with sides of 5.and yes, tapwelder.....I just assumed that each demarkation on the circle was 60 degrees from the last.  Normally, you wouldn't assume that.  I just figured that was how he set up the test.