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Ok so I recall seeing a thread on here regarding "the best" or "favorite" welding book. I am trying to find a book that will help me out at work. Right now I assist other welders and teach machinists how to weld. My shop has the capabilities to do MIG, TIG, and SMAW, pesonally, I need to practice TIG because I havent done it in years so if I could find a book that just lays out the simple basics of how to weld with different processes as well as show guides on electrodes, gas, and metal compatibilities that would be great. Just don't want to make myself look like an a$$ hat to some guy who has been welding since the dawn of time. Guys have any suggestions? I know there is the "Machinist Handbook", is there a equivelent to welding?FLASH ME.... I'm a welder
Reply:This one is really good, worth the money imo.[ame]http://www.amazon.com/Welding-Principles-Applications-Larry-Jeffus/dp/1401810462[/ame]City of L.A. Structural; Manual & Semi-Automatic;"Surely there is a mine for silver, and a place where gold is refined. Iron is taken from the earth, and copper is smelted from ore."Job 28:1,2Lincoln, Miller, Victor & ISV BibleDanny
Reply:Originally Posted by Troy44B Just don't want to make myself look like an a$$ hat to some guy who has been welding since the dawn of time.
Reply:Originally Posted by Broccoli1WTF? Until you can get over yourself go buy a self help book before you buy a welding bookYes- worrying about what someone else thinks of you is a Problem- more so if they actually know what they are doing.Why don't you just ask the friggin dood that has been welding since the dawn of time- seems like he has some experience behind him.
Reply:Originally Posted by tanglediverThis one is really good, worth the money imo.http://www.amazon.com/Welding-Princi.../dp/1401810462
Reply:Troy44B,  Try the Hobart Weld Talk forum.  There is a thread, mostly added by PTsideshow, that has many, many welding related publications.  I have a couple of them, and from a new welders standpoint, they are invaluable.  Having spent 20+ years in Uncle Sams service, I know what you mean about evaluations.  Good luck with teaching those crusty old farts something about welding!! LOL.Nctox,  Stickmate LX  235AC/160DC  HH210
Reply:this is a pretty good book, it the one I use. http://www.awspubs.com/product_info.php?products_id=303 . Its from AWS and if you become a member, you can get it for like  bucks I think, I know its dirt cheap.Go hot, or go home!
Reply:http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...dex.html#booksTraining PackagesMiller's training packages provide everything instructors need to effectively teach welding techniques, and everything students need to learn the tools of the trade.Miller Instructor Training Package Miller Instructor Package   $35.00"The Educational Instructors Package"(11) Miller Reference BooksGMAW-P (PulsedMIG) Welding PublicationGTAW (TIG) Welding PublicationGMAW (MIG) Welding PublicationGuidelines for GMAW WeldingThe Fundamentals of Solid StatePrinciples of Arc WeldingHandbook for Resistance Spot WeldingArc Stud Welding FundamentalsParalleling Arc Welding Power SourcesBasic ElectricityWelding and the World of Metals(4) PostersUniversal Safety Symbol posterHeavy Metal posterGood weld / Bad weld posterCareer Ladder poster(3) Miller Calculators — Stick, MIG, and TIGEd Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:Golly, doesn't some branch of the Service have a manual suitable for your purposes?Best manual I ever read on machining practices was the Navy Repairmans Manual on Machining, or something like that.  There's some chapters available on the interweb minus some pictures.As far as asking "old timers", I'd get down on my knees and beg a truly experienced dooooood to teach me some of his tricks.  As a matter of fact I have  And I came away with a totally different perspective on the techniques, and a good idea as to what I'd been doing wrong for years.  You only look like an azz hat if you act like oneAnother good reference is the Bible.  Lincoln's "The Procedure Handbook of Arc Welding".After reading all you can, get some good knee pads"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Hi Troy. Check the Lincoln web site out, too. They have training manuals also. Link is below:https://ssl.lincolnelectric.com/lincoln/apdirect/If you are looking for new or used book on welding, check out Alibris. Just type 'welding' or something close to that. Sometimes an out of print book will show up. I have ordered a used book from them before and had no problems on delivery. WIsh you success in your ventures!http://www.alibris.com/?siteID=MG8IL...elwRUvN48sKWyQRodney                                   The blessing of the Lord makes one rich, And He adds no sorrow with it.'  Proverbs 10:22 NKJV
Reply:Originally Posted by farmersammGolly, doesn't some branch of the Service have a manual suitable for your purposes?Best manual I ever read on machining practices was the Navy Repairmans Manual on Machining, or something like that.  There's some chapters available on the interweb minus some pictures.As far as asking "old timers", I'd get down on my knees and beg a truly experienced dooooood to teach me some of his tricks.  As a matter of fact I have  And I came away with a totally different perspective on the techniques, and a good idea as to what I'd been doing wrong for years.  You only look like an azz hat if you act like oneAnother good reference is the Bible.  Lincoln's "The Procedure Handbook of Arc Welding".After reading all you can, get some good knee pads
Reply:Here are a few links to free PDF publications:US_Navy-Manual_P-433_Welding_Material_Handbook(215_pages)-1MBUS_Navy_Underwater_Cutting_and_Welding_Manual(200_  pages)-2.38MBUS_Navy_Steelworker-Volume_1_(237_pages)-9.78MBUS_Army_Welding_Design_Procedures_and_Inspections(  132_pages)-358KBUS_Army_Welding_Manual(765_pages)-13.9MBUS_Army_Welding_Operations(112_pages)-2.54MBUS_Army_Welding_Theory_and_Application(741_pages)-19.62MBDeciphering_Weld_Symbols(11_pages)-444KBMiller_Welds_Books_and_PamphletsCASTI_Metals_Blue_Book-Welding_Filler_Metals(130 pages)-551KB==================================================  =====These may be downloaded after creating a free account:The_Lincoln_Electric_Procedure_Handbook_of_Arc_Wel  ding(742_pages)-67.9MBWelding_and_Inspection-Course_Presentation(46_pages)-1.06MB==================================================  =====Web Browser Viewing:Fundamentals_of_Professional_WeldingEnjoy
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Reply:Troy,Thanks for your service in/with the U.S. Army.
Reply:The Jeffus book is a great beginners book, and you'll find that it's the standard textbook for a number of colleges/universities/vocational schools.
Reply:Are you in the military or are you civilian staf? Also if you are proficient in other forms of welding the TIG should come back around in short time with the above links. If you are not you should be the pupil and not the teacher."Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum"Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DCMillermatic 251   Syncrowave 300   30A spoolgunLincoln MP210Hypertherm 45(2) LN 25(2) Lincoln Weldanpower 225 CV(4) SA200   1 short hood    SA250    SAM 400
Reply:Originally Posted by Troy44B I need to practice TIG because I havent done it in years so if I could find a book that just lays out the simple basics of how to weld with different processes as well as show guides on electrodes, gas, and metal compatibilities that would be great.
Reply:Originally Posted by kolotAre you in the military or are you civilian staf? Also if you are proficient in other forms of welding the TIG should come back around in short time with the above links. If you are not you should be the pupil and not the teacher.
Reply:Troy,Being retired military, I understand your dilema.One of the toughest jobs I ever had was as commander of a basic training company at Ft. Knox, KY in 1968.  The entire company was made up of USAR and NG recruits.  Every one of them had a college degree.  They drove my DI's crazy with their "why" questions.  As an example, a DI states, "The maximum effective range of the M14 rifle is 375 yards".  Then came the "who says so", "how did they determine that", "why not 400 yards", etc, etc.Today's troops, being better educated, more informed (they think), I'm sure will test your mettle.I'd recommend (as has been mentioned) that you go to Millerwelds.com and order their "Instructor Pack".  It can be found under the resources tab.  It will include an excellent TIG Handbook, a GMAW Handbook, a Pulsed-Mig Handbook, welding calculators, and a bunch of other useful information.  The Tig Handbook alone would be worth the price ($35 including shipping).  It could well serve as a course outline for a basic TIG weldnig class.Feel free to PM me if you desire additional information/suggestions regarding an approach to take with your students.Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:Modern welding is a great all round welding text. My only question and I don't mean any disrespect by it. Why is the welders assistant teaching welding and not the welder? Doesn't the military have standards for teaching like being certified or qualified in some way? Or at the very least know what your doing and how to actually do what your teaching. Could you imagine if the person who taught you to fire a rifle in training didn't actually really know how to use a gun and was asking on the internet for books on guns so he could teach people how to use one.  That's just scary! Again I don't mean any disrespect but if I found out the person teaching me didn't have a clue what they were doing and I was in charge of giving them promotions they would never ever get one from me. Just my 2cents I don't know anything about the military so maybe that's just how its done.
Reply:Wellll, without getting into the military thing or even which trade or craft, we all started at zero at some point and grew from there. It appears as tho Troy44B is entering into an aspect where it is going to be awkward and demanding for awhile. That's why teachers stay up at night hitting the books. With some help he'll come up to speed I'm sure.
Reply:My Oh My!Leader - a person who rules or guides or inspires others.Leadership has been described as the “process of social influence in which one person can enlist the aid and support of others in the accomplishment of a common task”. These are major criteria that are part of evaluations / Fitness Reports that determine advancement within the Military.Would not any welder be better at the trade if they first trained as Instructor before breaking out into the field with the practical application? Considering evaluations / Fitness Reports are done by in-proficient superiors is absurd. The United States Military is the finest in the world, I wonder how that happened?United States Marine Corps Drill Instructor's Creed  These are my recruits. I will train them to the best of my ability. I will develop them into smartly disciplined, physically fit, basically trained Marines, thoroughly indoctrinated in love of Corps and country. I will demand of them, and demonstrate by my own example, the highest standards of personal conduct, morality, and professional skill.United States Marine Corps Non Commissioned Officer's Creed I am an NCO dedicated to training new Marines and influencing the old.  I am forever conscious of each Marine under my charge, and by example will inspire him to the highest standards possible.  I will strive to be patient,understanding, just, and firm.  I will commend the deserving and encourage the wayward. I will never forget that I am responsible to my Commanding Officer for the morale, discipline, and efficiency of my men.  Their performance will reflect an image of me.United States Marine Corps Staff Non Commissioned Officer's Creed I am a Staff Non Commissioned Officer in the United States Marine Corps.  As such, I am a member of the most unique group of professional military practitioners in the world.  I am bound by duty to God, Country, and my fellow Marines to execute the demands of my position to and beyond what I believe to be the limits of my capabilities. I realize I am the mainstay of Marine Corps discipline, and I carry myself with military grace, unbowed by the weight of command, unflinching in the execution lawful orders, and unswerving in my dedication to the most complete success of my assigned mission. Both my professional and personal demeanor shall be such that I may take pride if my juniors emulate me, and knowing perfection to lie beyond the grasp of any mortal hand, I shall yet strive to attain perfection that I may ever be aware of my needs and capabilities to improve myself.  I shall be fair in my personal relations, just in the enforcement of discipline, true to myself and my fellow Marines, and equitable in my dealing with every man.Semper Fidelis
Reply:Originally Posted by slag_magWould not any welder be better at the trade if they first trained as Instructor before breaking out into the field with the practical application? Considering evaluations / Fitness Reports are done by in-proficient superiors is absurd. The United States Military is the finest in the world, I wonder how that happened?Semper Fidelis
Reply:Since the OP (Troy) has not responded, let me try to answer a few of the other poster comments/questions.I spent 20+ years in leadership roles in the US Military.  (Retired Col. in the Army Corps of Engineers) and had my fair share of "teaching assignments".Based on what little information that is available, I commend Troy for taking the approach he has taken.  The criticism of his approach comes from those who are uninformed about what they're talking about.The field of welding is extremely broad.  Few are "experts/proficient" in all aspects of the field.  Troy may be the best stick/mig welder on the planet but has not had the opportunity to develop skill in the area of tig.  He then finds himself placed in a positon where he has to provide instruction in the area.  He asks how to improve his knowledge base and he's blasted.  Bad response people.In the area of Ordinance/Engineer Equipment/Transportation Equipment, tig is a seldom used process.  Stick/mig are the "go to" processes used in the repair/modification of military equipment.  Tig is way down the list of "necessary processes".  In fact, there are few "welding positions" in the military that require a proficiency in the tig process.To even imply that Troy may not be a "qualified welding instructor" because he's not proficient in one process is quite a reach.  How many "structural welders" out there are also proficient in TIG welding.  Not many I can assure you.The fact that Troy recognizes that he may be somewhat lacking in a particular "skill set" and has asked for help in improving his knowledge base is what's important and, to me, is the mark of a "good instructor".The comment about teaching rifle marksmanship without knowing how to fire a rifle is a bad example.  An individual may in fact know how to fire a weapon and know the weapons capabilities and is thereby qualified to teach "rifle marksmanship".  That same individual may not know how to build the rifle or even teach "sniper tactics", but that doesn't mean he's not qualified to teach basic marksmanship.Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:Originally Posted by SundownIIISince the OP (Troy) has not responded, let me try to answer a few of the other poster comments/questions.I spent 20+ years in leadership roles in the US Military.  (Retired Col. in the Army Corps of Engineers) and had my fair share of "teaching assignments".Based on what little information that is available, I commend Troy for taking the approach he has taken.  The criticism of his approach comes from those who are uninformed about what they're talking about.The field of welding is extremely broad.  Few are "experts/proficient" in all aspects of the field.  Troy may be the best stick/mig welder on the planet but has not had the opportunity to develop skill in the area of tig.  He then finds himself placed in a positon where he has to provide instruction in the area.  He asks how to improve his knowledge base and he's blasted.  Bad response people.In the area of Ordinance/Engineer Equipment/Transportation Equipment, tig is a seldom used process.  Stick/mig are the "go to" processes used in the repair/modification of military equipment.  Tig is way down the list of "necessary processes".  In fact, there are few "welding positions" in the military that require a proficiency in the tig process.To even imply that Troy may not be a "qualified welding instructor" because he's not proficient in one process is quite a reach.  How many "structural welders" out there are also proficient in TIG welding.  Not many I can assure you.The fact that Troy recognizes that he may be somewhat lacking in a particular "skill set" and has asked for help in improving his knowledge base is what's important and, to me, is the mark of a "good instructor".The comment about teaching rifle marksmanship without knowing how to fire a rifle is a bad example.  An individual may in fact know how to fire a weapon and know the weapons capabilities and is thereby qualified to teach "rifle marksmanship".  That same individual may not know how to build the rifle or even teach "sniper tactics", but that doesn't mean he's not qualified to teach basic marksmanship.Dang SundownIII great response. Already typed mine so here it is anyway. I do not think "Troy44B" will mind much, he is to busy with his studies. Originally Posted by Mega Arc 5040DDIn answer to your question or statement no they would not be better at there trade if they were an instructor first you cant teach real world experience if you don't have it and the people you teach are coming out if it with less knowledge as well since you cant pass on what you don't have.
Reply:Hey guys,I believe Troys' initial post was referencing information to assist his "re-entry" back into TIG welding as he indicated prior experience, albeit a bit rusty. Seems some really off-tangent responses weren't needed to simply provide some of the really good welding books/data available. Personally, I also like farmersams', the "Bible", Lincolns' book, as my #1 reference as well as others in my small welding library. The Miller package is a deal also.I believe SundownsIII's reply was probably the best & most concise to help Troy with his efforts. As a Nam vet, I respectfully tip my hat to all those who serve & have served.....DennyComplete Welding/Machine/Fab. ShopMobile UnitFinally retired*Moderator*"A man's word is his honor...without honor there is nothing.""Words are like bullets.... Once they leave your muzzle, you cannot get them back."
Reply:Originally Posted by slag_magNot harsh or mean, this is about learning. Books first, then practical application just like any student. Just the added requirement of people skills so it can be passed on. This is not an approved class room, just finding extra homework. I think "Troy44B" wants the equivalent of a 4.0 (A+) grade average and wants the knowledge to make it so.Semper Fidelis