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any one here making stainless steel gates?I would like to know what equipment u guys use to make the gates and where do u order the ornaments i got a catalog from jensen but they dont seem to have ss.Thanks
Reply:I make alot of stainless stuff.. I get some stuff from TS Distributors...Mainly I get pieces from Starland Metals..  Here is the address ..www.starlandmetals.comthey have very fast service and very good prices..
Reply:I am looking to make ss decorative gates and what not. I am located in ny alot of people are changing over to the polished ss gates i would like to get into it but i dont have much knowledge about it. Like regular steel i can bend with a torch i dont know what equip i would need for the ss .Any help would be appreciated.
Reply:Stainless gates are very rare. What type of material are you planning on using? Tubing,flat bar/angle, ?
Reply:...and expensive!
Reply:Originally Posted by [email protected] one here making stainless steel gates?I would like to know what equipment u guys use to make the gates and where do u order the ornaments i got a catalog from jensen but they dont seem to have ss.Thanks
Reply:http://www.wagnercompanies.comand this site will most likely have links to what you're looking forwww.nomma.org
Reply:I am sorry for not being that specific tommorow morning I am going to take pictures and show u guys what I am talking about. I live in queens, Ny one of the 5 boro's of nyc and thats the new hot thing these days.It looks like polished ss Ill put a magnet to it tommorow   I don't see if how it would be aluminum.
Reply:Depending on the type of SS, your magnet might not stick to it either. John -  fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!-  bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:like this...I would like to know in the second pic what they use to make those bends and where i could order those ornaments and pickets?thanks
Reply:To me, that doesn't look like SS, it looks more like MS that has been dipped. Those all would cost a small fortune if SS. Right now it's around $500 for a sheet of 16ga. 4x8 SS.Last edited by MicroZone; 12-30-2007 at 11:24 PM.John -  fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!-  bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:Originally Posted by MicroZoneTo me, that doesn't look like SS, it looks more like MS that has been dipped. Those all would cost a small fortune if SS. Right now it's around $500 for a sheet of 16ga. 4x8 SS.
Reply:Those are stainless. My guess is they are electropolished- thats what I do for all my stainless.It takes the mill finish, and makes it shiny, with no buffing, sanding or elbow grease.As for the curves in the top, that was done with a 3 roll angle roll like this-Here its rolling solid 1 1/4" stainless round bar that has been forge textured.Mine are from Eagle- they sell a whole range of sizes.http://www.eaglebendingmachines.com/You need a set of rolls for each size round tube you want to roll- the standard rolls that come with it can be configured to roll most shapes of square and rectangle.There are very few premade stainless ornaments out there. Wagner carries a few, but mostly simple things like rings and pipe corners.Blum might have some as well-http://www.juliusblum.com/I make a lot of stainless gates, fences, railings, and benches.Everything for stainless costs more. Bigger, badder tools.The raw material runs about 5 times what mild steel does.Electropolishing costs me about what powdercoating does- the difference is, electropolished stainless lasts a good 100 years. Powdercoating, around here, with no salt on the roads, last maybe 5 years- in the northeast, with snow and salt, I would never powdercoat an exterior part, if I had to warranty it. And once its powdercoated, and it starts to peel (and it will, believe me) then you cant just sandblast it- you need to bake it in a burnoff oven, THEN sandblast, then repowdercoat. Can you spell Pain in the A**?Stainless is much more permanent.I only work for small fortunes, unless I can get large ones. I dont know who is making the stainless tubing with the little beads rolled in it, but my guess is that Blum or Wagner would know.Its a little too cookie cutter for me- we dont buy any parts, we make em all inhouse- like this fence, 320 feet long, we just installed in downtown Phoenix.All solid 1/2" and 5/8" round stainless bar, every piece hot textured, then rolled into scrolls, then tig welded, then electropolished.Lots of work = Lots of money.Edit- the pics you show are absolutely positively stainless- because here is the website of the guys who built em, and their name is- wait for it- "Quality Stainless Steel Inc".http://www.qualitystainlesssteel.com/They use a lot of brass doo-dads, a few stainless ones, and I would not be surprised at all if they were making those pickets themselves.Last edited by Ries; 12-30-2007 at 11:51 PM.
Reply:Here is another stainless gate I built. The left hand side is a 7' tall by 7' wide barn door sliding gate that slides behind the right side.During the day, they open it to allow you to take the stairs down to the 4 stories of underground parking below.At night, they lock it up.The gear is 3/16" plate, the frame is 2x2 square tube. The big wire mesh I made from scratch- its 3/8" round bar, on 3" centers. Had to be under 4", you know- code. Lotsa rivets, lotsa welding, something like 5 tons of stainless on the whole job. Back when I did it, stainless was only running about $2.50 a pound. Its more, now.550 linear feet of fence, no 8 feet of it alike. Here is some fence-
Reply:i dunno, if i was going to sell people chrome plated steel that i wanted them to think was stainless, the first thing i'd do is form a company with a name like Quality Stainless...
Reply:Chrome plated gates would cost more to make than stainless ones do.Yes, the material is cheaper- but to chrome plate something, you need to sand it with successive grits of sandpaper, then buff it to a mirror shine first- and thats a lot of hand labor. Then, Plating is pretty expensive itself. And try finding a plater with tanks that big- car bumpers is about the biggest they normally do, and even that is rare these days, as all bumpers have been plastic for 30 years or so.There might be one or two shops around with 8 foot by 8 foot chrome plating tanks, but I have never seen one. My guess is plating a gate like that would cost a couple grand a panel.And, with plating, no site welding is possible. You get it hot, you ruin the chrome finish. With stainless, you can spot electropolish site welds, and they are just as shiny as everything else. Stainless steel isnt some mystic unobtainium that requires magic to work- there are shops all around the country that make stuff more complicated than these gates every day. And the price- well, the gates above actually look kinda midrange in price to me- Real rich people spend way more every day on gates and fences. I used to work in LA, on movie star's houses, and they dont blink at $30,000 gates, or a couple hundred grand for fences- if its what they want, they pay. I know guys who have done gates in bronze, or with gold plated parts, or stainless, or forged aluminum, or fences that take a year or two to build. The real high end market is way way more expensive than these gates- these are designed to be assembled by only average skilled guys- there isnt much tricky to em, beyond buying the right tools.You wanna see tricky gates, check out this guy-http://www.albertpaley.com/portfolio...e=sitespecific
Reply:looking at that website something rubbed me the wrong way, i think it's that highly polished stainless like that lacks depth. slapping overly shiny ornaments onto otherwise plain buildings really cheapens the overall appearance.  forged work looks good mostly because of the texture resulting for hammer blows and more importantly the scale being driven into the material.  even a brushed finish makes a world of difference. my point being if you live near where lots of people are paying for stainless, if you can find a way to add depth, you could make a killing.  thats just my opinion though.
Reply:not the albert pailey website, the quality stainless one.
Reply:and i was trying to be a smartass about the chrome plating business name
Reply:Ah, so you assume because of the name that's all he does?  People assume all I do is turbo work because of my name...but I don't. Plating is more cost effective than you think. If it wasn't, then I supposethere would be a diminishing supply of lamps, desks, coat hangers, etc. at Wal-Mart. Come to Wal-Mart - get your Stainless Steel home furnishings!! Last edited by MicroZone; 12-31-2007 at 02:22 PM.John -  fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!-  bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:Wal Mart plating is done in China- where if you know the right guy, they dont care if you dump cyanide in the river to the tune of 10,000 gallons a day.So yeah, in quantities of a container load at a time, you can get cheap chrome plated stuff from China. But how cheap is it to chrome plate a gate in NYC? Where I live, there are fewer and fewer plating shops every year- labor costs, and environmental laws make them a losing proposition, for most products.And there is plenty of cheapo stainless products at places like Walmart or Target. I have had chrome plating done, and to do a chair, most plating shops want at least a couple hundred bucks. I was paying something like 40 bucks for an 18" round tabletop, and that was 15 years ago. I shudder to think what a whole gate would cost- but it would be a lot.Fabbing chrome plated stuff is a pain. Thats one reason Harley parts are so expensive.I would agree though, that these stainless gates are kinda clunky looking. There isnt much design there.The big gimmick is the shiny-ness, but once you get beyond that, its very average square tube construction, with plain round pickets, and the occasional gimcrack welded on.Stainless can do much more, and you can make it look like stainless, not chrome.
Reply:Hey thanks for all your input guys I really appreciate it.As for the ss gates looking cheap I think it looks cheap as well but if some one wants to pay me to make them gates hey who am I to complain I spent about 3500$ on my Miller Dynasty 200dx I gotta pay for it some how
Reply:Those gates/ fences sure look industrial quality to me, not like house gates.It looks like houses are behind a scaffold.I much prefer the look of wraught iron twisted pickets and scrolls painted a flat black.Those pictures by RIES look great-but even those sure would look better (to me) if they and the blue supports were sprayed flat black.
Reply:Originally Posted by [email protected] this...I would like to know in the second pic what they use to make those bends and where i could order those ornaments and pickets?thanks
Reply:Originally Posted by MicroZoneTo me, that doesn't look like SS, it looks more like MS that has been dipped. Those all would cost a small fortune if SS. Right now it's around $500 for a sheet of 16ga. 4x8 SS.I actually think they look nice for the area though. I do not know what else you could use and not charge six digits for. The quality for the price is amazing actualy. I have done a lot of stainless pipe over the years. It costs so much to make that there is no profit in it. That is why you do not see more of it. http://www.Rockwelder.com/WeldingWeb...e/backview.jpghttp://www.Rockwelder.com/WeldingWeb...tranceview.jpghttp://www.Rockwelder.com/WeldingWeb/SSPipe/gate2.jpg       Sincerely,             William McCormick Attached Images