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20' containers are plentiful around here and I have two mobile home axles. I know nothing about trailers. An empty 20' container weighs 5000# empty. I would move this trailer less then once a year. Any thoughts?DAG NABIT, I left my tape on the saw.Wild Fire Welding
Reply:ive thought about a similar project, something to hold all my dads tools out on his property. the only problem i had with it was the fact that it weighs 5000#, thats a hefty trailer, and when its loaded it will be even heavier.what do you plan on hauling it with?I break things for a living...
Reply:You need a frame under it too...Would be alot easier on the towing to buy or build a flatbed/utility type trailer and then enclose it by building a frame out of angle or tube and covering with aluminum siding, unless you have a hefty truck to pull the container trailer with. An Interstate or Haulmark or other similar 20' enclosed tandem trailer only weighs about 3500 lbs and can be towed by most mid size or full size pickups or suvs. The 5000 lb container would probly weigh a good 7000 lbs once you build a frame with tongue and axles under it.Last edited by DesertRider33; 09-27-2009 at 08:05 PM.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:Like DR said, it is going to need some type of frame and when you are starting off with a 5000# container, approx 300# with axles and tires and then your frame, your looking at 6000# at the minimum, thats a lot, then it you put stuff in it, hope ya got a truck that can pull it.Miller Dynasty 300dxSpeedglas 9002XMiller Spectrum 375 XtremeLincoln PowerMig 255xtLincoln PowerMig 140cMilwuakee Portaband
Reply:I dont see any difference between pulling a 9,000lb container or these people that haul the 9,000lb bumper pull campers down the road in their pickups, hes only gonna pull it once a year, all he needs is a good 3/4 ton or 1 ton diesel pickup
Reply:Ya, if you have a truck to pull it with, go for it!Miller Dynasty 300dxSpeedglas 9002XMiller Spectrum 375 XtremeLincoln PowerMig 255xtLincoln PowerMig 140cMilwuakee Portaband
Reply:You will have nothing but problems with the Mobil Home axles. They are not for distance hauling. Big difference between the weight between a conex and a travel trailer. But what do I know. Lots of pics please.
Reply:If you found a enclosed body can you find a wrecked medium duty truck and use the frame rails and weld at tongue on the front, you could even use the axles.
Reply:Originally Posted by jon1996I dont see any difference between pulling a 9,000lb container or these people that haul the 9,000lb bumper pull campers down the road in their pickups, hes only gonna pull it once a year, all he needs is a good 3/4 ton or 1 ton diesel pickup
Reply:I think I would pass on the container trailer, if it were me. I think you have some better options, unless you're not planning on moving the thing much, or very far.Those containers make great storage though... I've got a 40 footer behind my shop.Oh, and I've lived in 'em too... better than a tent!Work HARDER, not smarter! ------------------------ Miller Bobcat 250Millermatic 251Lincoln Precision TIG 185Hypertherm PM 600Hobart 135 HandlerOxweld 400 FlameMaster
Reply:I have a dump truck, but I'm still worried about the weight for the axles sake. Fat Bastard what type of axle should I use? How many axles should I use and how far back do I mount them. How long should the tongue be? I think a cargo container has more strength then 99% of the trailers out there, so I wasn't going to add a frame. I was just going to beef up the connection points. I don't have a container yet and fat bastard says my axles wont work, so I'm starting from scratch . It may make more sense to buy a 40 footer and pay to have it moved. In the lower 48 how do you find the best price on trucking a container? leadhead1911 I almost lived in a container, a camp job here in Alaska, but the job lost its funding.DAG NABIT, I left my tape on the saw.Wild Fire Welding
Reply:does it need to be licensed for the road , if not then its easy weld axle stubs on the side ad wheels and a hitch no need for suspension or if needs license (over here our width limit is 2.5 metres) so i would cut two holes inside the container two allow the wheels two ride up inside the floor ad your hitch and when you need two move it just apply for a permit of course I'm glossing over details here
Reply:The easiest solution I can come up with for you would be to purchase a 24' equipment trailer and mount the container to it. Most equipment trailers in your weight ratings will be equipped with dual tandems, and set up with a pintle hook for the hitch. A good used equipment trailer can be had for about $3500 or less.I know, you ask why I suggest a 24'er for a 20' container. One is that it makes it easier to step out onto a platform than to climb down off of the box itself, and two, most equipment trailers come with a 4' dove tail on the rear of them. The dove tail would make it much easier to climb up and down from and you have a platform to set things on before lowering to the ground.Fat Bastard is also very correct in his statement about mobile home axles, they are also illegal in many states to be used on trailers for highway use.The axle itself can be used, you just have to change the hubs and wheels from the wide five hubs they come with to the standard trailer style hub and wheels.I am what I am, Deal with it!If necessity is the Mother of Invention, I must be the Father of Desperation!
Reply:Dabar is right the axles can be converted to standard hubs and bearings. I have seen it done for about half what a new axle costs.But, to be legal, in most states you have to have double brake axles on trailers with gross weights over 3500 lbs. In some states, you can get away with one brake axle.Tom, My father recently got one trucked in on a back haul cheapMy neighbor hauls containers everyday from jax. Find a guy who specializes in trucking containers and if he is an owner operator, he can cut you a deal. I think the container trucks that I have seen have "dolly" axle that is removable. I have seen them set up on train axles as well pulling a half mile long of other containers set up on train axles. The strength is fine. I wouldn't worry about it.What is your gross weight?Around where I live, there are plenty of torsion axles floating around with a 7000 pound capacity with brakes for about 100.00 each because there is a large but shrinking trailer industry here. You should be able to weld or bolt them directly to the frame, if they are wide enough or you might need a spacer for the tires to float up. You'd probably need 3 axles to meet maximum capacity of container and your storage needs unless you are storing all that gold dust.Last edited by lugweld; 09-28-2009 at 11:33 AM.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:Just curious but what does a 20' container COST should a guy want to pick one up ?Cheers,/Jman...
Reply:I've got 2 of the 20's. One was given to me, the other cost $2200 including delivery from about 50 miles away.Miller Thunderbolt AC/DC (Sold)Miller Dialarc 250HFMiller MM251Miller MM200 (Sold)Miller MM130Miller Spot WelderVictor O/A rigMiller Spoolmatic 1 (Sold)
Reply:$1200 is about right. I have seen several containers purchased in this price range.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:Around here they sell them for $1200-1500, plus delivery. They're everywhere in Long Beach.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:New 40' with doors on both ends are $4500 to $5000 here. If you're using it as a workshop, having the doors on both ends it a must-have for air flow to keep cool. Cooling might not be such a problem in Alaska.Dynasty200DX w/coolmate1MM210MM VintageESAB miniarc161ltsLincoln AC225Victor O/A, Smith AW1ACutmaster 81IR 2475N7.5FPRage3Jancy USA1019" SBAEAD-200LE
Reply:Warning to those planning on making a storage build/ shop out of a container, put at least one walk out door on it. Unless you want some prankster to lock you in the shop for a while. Icought an assistant of mine hiding out in the storage conex waiting for quitting time. i shut it up got and started up the truck a drove it the 100 yards to the front gate. I walked back nice and quite. I let him stew a few minutes . He was sure that he was there for the night.Tough as nails and damn near as smart
Reply:Just my side of it guys....Everyone is saying not to do it because of weight issues. But stop to think about how it will be used before you object.In my city you can NOT use a conex container as a storage shed. Apparently they are too ugly. But you CAN put axles under it and call it a trailer. Step yourself right around the restriction LEGALLY. Who says you have to tow it? Ok, he said he would move it once a year. Maybe just to move it. Can you empty it and move it, then reload it? How far down the road? Down the highway? Those are all valid concerns. But in my case, who cares if the bearings are overloaded? Or if the springs are sagging? My neighbors can all kiss my keester. It's legal and there's not a DANG thing they can do about it.Ok, well, I don't really have a conex, but I want one. Problem is I currently have a 40ft toyhauler there. So no room anyways. Hey MarkBall, you got room for my junk over at your place????????Lincoln Power Mig 210MP MIGLincoln Power Mig 350MP - MIG and Push-PullLincoln TIG 300-300Lincoln Hobby-Weld 110v Thanks JLAMESCK TIG TORCH, gas diffuser, pyrex cupThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 101My brain
Reply:I'm glad I posted. Thank for the advice everyone. an equipment trailer does sound like the best solution.DAG NABIT, I left my tape on the saw.Wild Fire Welding
Reply:we have a shipping container at work that has a tractor trailer axle with the brakes caged under it. it has a mobile home frame and tongue. We dont move it much but i have pulled it with simons forms in it with my 07 dodge 4x4 Cummins. We used it like a storage shed on wheels it works well for our purposes. but it never really hits a public road maybe a mile at the most every 2 years.
Reply:Originally Posted by lugweldDabar is right the axles can be converted to standard hubs and bearings. I have seen it done for about half what a new axle costs.But, to be legal, in most states you have to have double brake axles on trailers with gross weights over 3500 lbs. In some states, you can get away with one brake axle.Tom, My father recently got one trucked in on a back haul cheapMy neighbor hauls containers everyday from jax. Find a guy who specializes in trucking containers and if he is an owner operator, he can cut you a deal. I think the container trucks that I have seen have "dolly" axle that is removable. I have seen them set up on train axles as well pulling a half mile long of other containers set up on train axles. The strength is fine. I wouldn't worry about it.What is your gross weight?Around where I live, there are plenty of torsion axles floating around with a 7000 pound capacity with brakes for about 100.00 each because there is a large but shrinking trailer industry here. You should be able to weld or bolt them directly to the frame, if they are wide enough or you might need a spacer for the tires to float up. You'd probably need 3 axles to meet maximum capacity of container and your storage needs unless you are storing all that gold dust.
Reply:I have thought about this very project but stayed away from it for the weight reasons. All the landscapers use enclosed trailers for lawn equipment, I would like to have one for a bobcat loader , problem is most are rated for 7,000 gross and the floors are usually weak plywood. I have often wondered and kept my eye out for a wrecked cargo aluminum trailer that I could mount the box only on the equipment trailer or maybe just the walls and roof of a box truck. Secure and weather tight. I have also seen guys mount a small cargo trailer box ,say 5ft x 8 ft on longer equipment trailers for best of both worlds. Can't beat the sea boxes for strength and price. Also a medium duty car hauler flat bed can winch em up and move them, thats how mine was delivered."Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum"Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DCMillermatic 251 Syncrowave 300 30A spoolgunLincoln MP210Hypertherm 45(2) LN 25(2) Lincoln Weldanpower 225 CV(4) SA200 1 short hood SA250 SAM 400You can buy the containers with an undercarriage. I think we paid about $1500 more for a 40ft that way. Of course the undercarriage is for a tractor trailer, has air brakes and a fifth wheel. I am guessing that this is not a good solution for you but wanted to make sure you knew about this option. Potential problems being deck height and needing a big rig to move it.Miller millermatic 251Miller aircrafter 330st, wp201961 Lincoln SA200Ellis 1600 bandsawLogan 820 latheSouth Bend 13"Bridgeport M Head
Reply:When considering using mobile home axles here is a quote from a major axle manufacturer. State inspections and insurance liability will be based on this quote.AXLES - Can mobile home axles be reused?The Dexter MH (mobile home) type axle is designed for limited usage in the delivery of manufactured homes and has a one-time limit use. The axle has steel forged spindles that are not precision ground. The brake assembly is welded onto the beam and not intended to be field replaced. Additionally, the bearing package is smaller than the more expensive service type axle. Most MH axles are also equipped with a single leaf spring suspension for very heavy loads. We do not have components that would convert MH axles to serviceable assemblies
Reply:Originally Posted by triptesterWhen considering using mobile home axles here is a quote from a major axle manufacturer. State inspections and insurance liability will be based on this quote.AXLES - Can mobile home axles be reused?The Dexter MH (mobile home) type axle is designed for limited usage in the delivery of manufactured homes and has a one-time limit use. The axle has steel forged spindles that are not precision ground. The brake assembly is welded onto the beam and not intended to be field replaced. Additionally, the bearing package is smaller than the more expensive service type axle. Most MH axles are also equipped with a single leaf spring suspension for very heavy loads. We do not have components that would convert MH axles to serviceable assemblies
Reply:Samm,Your right, the older ones were just fine. You can buy replacement hubs for them to retrofit to a new style, or even implement hubs if you want. There are literally thousands of trailers in my area built with them, many being abused on farms without so much as a wobbly bearing.There are even "lo-boy" rated tires that will fit the rims. As long as the locks were checked periodically, you'd seldom have issues as long as the tire said "lo boy". But with the newer ones I don't know. My father still has a three axle trailer with those type of axles that he has pulled small 450 John Deeres and farm tractors up to 10k lbs since about 1985. Its still his most reliable trailer. Lo boy tires are harder to find now and more expensive, and those axles are shunned, but it goes to prove that there are always exceptions.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:I know I'm late to this thread, but you guys are making this complicated. Just get a container converter dolly from goverment surplus. AN m720 will do but the nice ones are m1022.http://www.cdkmobile.com/m1022.htm
Reply:hey tom imc188222 was on to a good idea u can use one of the undercarriage for the 20 footers i know u can pick them up for pretty cheap and when you need to move them u can use a pup coupler like what they use for the fedex doubles those can hookup to your dump truck with a pintle and some air couplers and some light hookups they a pretty cheap and it would work for what u need it for and you can keep the pup coupler hooked up all the time and all you have to have is put a set of stairs going up to the back door if you need any more info on them hit me up i can get you a link to some later agwelderold skool idealarc welderEsab multi tool Milwauake 7inch angle grinder the best of all tho the oxyacceteline set up
Reply:http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/to...ou-hauled.htmlHere is one on another forum I'm on of a container on a trailer, just scan down and you'll find it
Reply:wow what laws they have over there Attached Images
Reply:well where I live in BC Canada this setup would surely be illegal. Heck I can't even pull a l trailer legaly as large or heavy as Dodge say's my truck can pull.Ram 3500 Dualy with a CTD, Dodge says it will pull a 24,000 lbs trailer but Victoria (Provinces Capital and where all laws are made up) say's "No Way" 18,000lbs max. Real bummer. I'm hoping I'm wrong but this is what I came up with using the figures on the gvmt website. Metric to imperial conversion can sometimes produce flawed results.This pic is from Texas. Guess the laws for towing a trailer with a pickup is a little more relaxed down thereLast edited by katana1150; 10-21-2009 at 07:09 PM.
Reply:I believe that 24,000 lbs is gross combine vehicle weight so a 18,000 lb trailer is just about right actually a little heavy since a dually 3500 should come in a little over 7000-7500 lbs.Life is not a journey to the grave with intentions of arriving safely in a pretty well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming ... WOW! What a ride!
Reply:do you know about these type things? I've thought -numerous- times of buying a container, and 'ways' to move them...these images are from a 'web page complete' I saved quite a while back (october '08). they were in a post in craigslist (in alaska). the ad title was "container/ shelter transport dollie set - $650"the TEXT of the post said"military shelter or container dollie set. hydraulic lift, air ride front steering axel, pintel hitch. call XXX-XXXX"the implication *I* draw, from seeing these type dollies offered, is "containers are capable of being lifted and moved by their end corners ONLY", or, by extension "containers have some sort of integral stiffness, so probably -don't- require a frame"but, then again, I'm no engineer...or, maybe, -military- containers are -far- beefier than regular intermodals...dollie sets like this do come up on ebay, evey fifth year or so...never seen a set 'live and in person', but they look like fun...dave Attached Images |
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