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Here's the picturesTook it for a spin around the test track, and no disastersDidn't want to waste the trip, so I went on up to the field and picked up a bale while I was at itI never fool with anti-sway blocks or chains on my 3pt, so there was sufficient side to side slamming to fully test the strength.  I think it's a winner.Plenty of room in the toolbox for hitchhikers (Oreo)Probably get around to painting it when the weather is a little more stable.  GREY.  Match the Dodge Attached Images"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Looks good Samm.  Just one question.  Why did you stop in the middle of the small pond to get off and take a pic?
Reply:Kinda cool to look at the tractor, and know everything hangin' on it was built here on the place.  The loader's probably still my favorite"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Originally Posted by paweldorLooks good Samm.  Just one question.  Why did you stop in the middle of the small pond to get off and take a pic?
Reply:Originally Posted by paweldorLooks good Samm.  Just one question.  Why did you stop in the middle of the small pond to get off and take a pic?
Reply:Two things Samm,Get some paint on it...And NOT that orange!!!!!And put some lime out man!   That broom straw is out of hand.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:Originally Posted by lugweldTwo things Samm,Get some paint on it...And NOT that orange!!!!!And put some lime out man!   That broom straw is out of hand.
Reply:Looks great Sam.  I think black would accent the orange real nice just like the loader does.So did you use that engine drive to do some of that welding?MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55Looks great Sam.  I think black would accent the orange real nice just like the loader does.So did you use that engine drive to do some of that welding?
Reply:Originally Posted by Hammack_Weldingand let out the top link.  You have the front digging in.
Reply:Samm,Not meaning to criticize,  but if the geometry of the lift points is correct,  it should raise up level.  I think you have the top link mounted too high.  About 4 inches lower should have done the trick.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:Originally Posted by lugweldSamm,Not meaning to criticize,  but if the geometry of the lift points is correct,  it should raise up level.  I think you have the top link mounted too high.  About 4 inches lower should have done the trick.
Reply:Lugweld----  It's what makes the 3pt a versatile thing if you take advantage of the geometry Attached Images"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:I want to see the sweep set up you are using! I have seen some that were prefabbed and can't figure out if the designer ever worked cows. The home built ones seem to work best as they are engineered for the way each operation works,ie. the number of hands, feed lot loading out, etc.
Reply:Originally Posted by flatbustedbrokeI want to see the sweep set up you are using! I have seen some that were prefabbed and can't figure out if the designer ever worked cows. The home built ones seem to work best as they are engineered for the way each operation works,ie. the number of hands, feed lot loading out, etc.
Reply:We used a similar setup for years. A sweep sure makes it easier to crowd em up into the head chute. Are you doing any age/source verification?
Reply:Originally Posted by flatbustedbrokeWe used a similar setup for years. A sweep sure makes it easier to crowd em up into the head chute. Are you doing any age/source verification?
Reply:Dug out some old stuff in the fridge from last year.  Always get it mixed up.  I forget which vaccine has what in it  Forgot about Blackleg Attached Images"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:A good sweep going to the squeeze and a couple multidose syringes and your set
Reply:black leg, red nose, wooden tongue who ever came up with the names for these diseases didn't have much of an imagination did they
Reply:I've always used the metal squeeze trigger syringes with a stop on the needle lock to keep from going too far and it also helps to keep the needle from snapping when they move.  Gave up on the single dose plastic ones a while back.  I always break the thingsBeen pretty happy with them.  Only thing I have to change out once in a while is the clear barrel thingy, it cracks when it gets old Attached Images"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:it seems to sit just right- if it was level it would drag on a downhill, no? and flatbustedboke what u say about home made and custom engineereed stuff is true in general... nothin can beat  it.
Reply:Sam that looks nice..... a very versatile set uplugweld:Do you now understand how a 3 point works
Reply:FINALLY.  That looks good but that is what I expected. It'll be handier than a pocket on a shirt. I can't make out the name on the tractor. I'm pretty sure I know what it is but I'm not gonna hazard a guess in public.
Reply:Looking good Sammgives a new meaning to field welding250DXMM251MM175225G plus 251D-1I think the best part of that project is the LINCOLN sitting on it!! hehehehPaint the whole thing Lincoln red....that's what I would want to do.Lincoln Power Mig 210MP MIGLincoln Power Mig 350MP - MIG and Push-PullLincoln TIG 300-300Lincoln Hobby-Weld 110v  Thanks JLAMESCK TIG TORCH, gas diffuser, pyrex cupThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 101My brain
Reply:Originally Posted by 84zmikeSam that looks nice..... a very versatile set uplugweld:Do you now understand how a 3 point works
Reply:At risk of offending some of our more moderate viewers.............(and being banned to Siberia, Boston, or "other" sites)NO LUGWELD.....NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!Idjit Attached Images"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Samm,You can use those smiley's in an artful way.  But just because you change the geometric proportions to suit your needs,  doesn't mean that there aren't internationally accepted standards of manufacture and use.here's a little info for you:(Recited from the A.S.A.E. Standards) "The mast height is not necessarily a mechanical dimension on the implement itself. It is a figure used in design, and if properly used for design of both implement and tractor, a well-performing interchangeable implement and tractor combination will be achieved. This standard makes it possible to produce tractors and implements that will give good performance in any combination; therefore, consideration to hitch geometry is essential. This makes it desirable to establish a standard mast height and a standard mast pitch adjustment within a working range, because these items influence the position of hitch points that are common to both the implement and the tractor. Mast height is one of the essential factors in establishing the virtual hitch point of the free-link system, draft signal for the draft-responsive system, loads on the linkage and hitch points, changes in implement pitch corresponding to changes in working depth, implement pitch when the implement is in the transport position, clearance of the implement with the tractor, especially in the transport position, and clearance of the hitch links with the implement or with the tractor, especially in the transport position. When an implement mast height is made different than standard to accomplish some specific performance feature, care should be exercised to insure that the desired performance is secured with tractors likely to operate the implement.Last edited by lugweld; 03-22-2009 at 09:30 PM.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:While the pivot points on a 3pt lift are truly PIVOTING, the arms (ie. lift arms, and toplink) do not change length.  It is impossible for the load to be lifted straight off the ground, and remain straight thru it's travel.  In order to do so..... the toplink would have to be continually telescoping in or out to compensate for the change in angle.Go plow another bazillion acres, and come back to me with a good answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It's the same difference between a self leveling bucket on a front end loader, and a loader that doesn't have the self leveling feature.HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Attached Images"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
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Reply:Put down the beer and think about it Samm,The issue is isn't the length of the lower links changing or the top link changing length somehow. It is that the rotational radius of the top link and the lower members is different.  I am not saying that there isn't any change.  But to give an example a properly mounted bushhog doesn't flare up at the tailend when picked up.  It raises through a relatively flat arc when mounted on a tractor in order to keep from binding the PTO.  When lowered, the machine stays level until the tail wheel hits the ground and there is where the implement travels.   But to each his own stupor...Cracked Metal issue 2.0Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:Geez manThe brushhog has lift pins that are mounted above the level of the deck.  They're higher off the ground at the point of innitial hookup. Because of that, a good deal of travel on the 3pt has already been used up.  It's maybe 1/4 to 1/3 raised in order just to hook up the implement.The gearbox on the mower is mounted with the yoke low enough, and far enough back, that there's no possibility(usually) of a critical angle on the driveshaft.  My lift will surpass that angle, and cause the u-joints to chatter.  I can only raise it so high before this happens."Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Please!!!!Next time you're around a tractor, look at how the implement behaves.  It will become clear as a bell.You're runnin' yourself into the ground, and it's unnecessary.  You're a bright guy, but sometimes (remember my cracking plate thread) it's possible to fight a losing battle when you're wrong, and don't realize it."Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Where'd he go?????Let's finish this out, get on with it, and shake hands"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:You got it a couple posts back, Samm, he's an idiot.  Now proved it with both ignorance about hydraulics, and ignorance about 3 point farm implements.   Fact, a three-point is NOT parallel arms,,,,   the bottom links are normally under the axle,,,,  the top link is in back of the axle,,,,,,  NO WAY, no how, is the whole thing gonna lift up even, you can only make compromises........   THE IMPORTANT thing,,,,,,   is you have the implement or whatever in the correct orientation, when down in the ground,,,,,,,  Absolutely NOBODY cares, what the frigging thing looks like up in the air.   And that crack about ,, a couple thousand acres???????   Luggy wouldn't know a couple thousand acres if it bit him on the but!!!!!!
Reply:Mark,I have managed three farms.  I have been involved in and around agriculture for 25+ years. I grew up in it. I have manufactured equipment and worked with factory engineers from companies like Kubota and others.  You didn't even recognize the type of cylinder the guy was using in the other thread. So what kind of authority are you?  You're just an overgrown bully that never grew up and failed to mature to a level of civility. Maybe you need to go read the A.S.A.E specifications in their entirity to get the understanding.  Samm was joking as usual, and I took no offense in his disagreement.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:Not being a farmer - it seems to me that you can have it both ways.I  once built a 3pt hitch to work on an Allis Chalmers CA.The guy at the implement shop said if I could lift a brush hog he was selling, with my Allis, he'd give me 1/2 off.  He was sorry he said that the next day when i drove off with it. Depends where you anchor the 3rd point. To lift level you need a pantograph.But like I said, I'm not a Farmer, so this is just my crazy idea.A butterfly without wings, is just an ugly bug
Reply:I QUITGonna get me sum supper, and make believe it didn't happenI hope you wear condoms, need to protect the world form li'l idjits Attached Images"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Originally Posted by Magnetic MechanicNot being a farmer - it seems to me that you can have it both ways.I  once built a 3pt hitch to work on an Allis Chalmers CA.The guy at the implement shop said if I could lift a brush hog he was selling, with my Allis, he'd give me 1/2 off.  He was sorry he said that the next day when i drove off with it. Depends where you anchor the 3rd point. To lift level you need a pantograph.But like I said, I'm not a Farmer, so this is just my crazy idea.
Reply:Here is a picture from one of my tech manuals on a properly proportioned 3 point hitch.  There are multiple hitching points for the top link to accomodate poorly designed equipment.  This is in accordance with ASAE spec, btw.Samm, you're still my favorite OKIE..  Attached ImagesLast edited by lugweld; 03-22-2009 at 11:25 PM.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:OAKIE! Some where I got the idea Samm lived in Kansas.I was going to say I wished ya'all would do your pissing contests in PMs but then we wouldn't get to see who is an idiot and who isn't. Would we? That would take some fun out of the forum.Come on Sam, tell what brand of tractor your rig is mounted on. That's my only question. I know who is right about the lifting geometry of three point hitches.
Reply:Hmmmm......... There is a future in importing Chinese welders for you two.Charlie
Reply:Orange tractor is an Allis 190XTBoth machines have a standard 3pt hitch Attached Images"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:RE:  Adjusting holes on top link strapWhile moving the top link from bottom most hole to topmost hole will decrease the ultimate angle at full lift, it will not eliminate it.To add versatility you can use a hydraulic top link which allows you to adjust the length of the link to compensate for the angle.First 2 pics--- Toplink in top holeSecond 2 pics--- Toplink in bottom hole Attached Images"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Rhino Brush hog with semi self leveling hitch.  The pivot on the hitch combined with the chain at the deck of the cutter allows for float mostly.  The rear wheel and the machine can go over rough ground with less up/down movement transmitted to the top link so it stays relatively level while cutting Attached Images"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:I'm worn out from hooking and unhooking stuff"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Samm:Thanks for the pics, I live in the city.  Originally Posted by OldtimerOAKIE!
Reply:Craig, I think if you could form a true paralelagram with the lift arm, top link, tractor, and implement, it would stay level thru out its travel.  I'm not quite sure about it, either way I've never seen such a setup.  Maybe somebody makes such a setup, but it would render a lot of implements usless for the pupose they were designed for.  In fact, many implements take advantage of the increasing angle for the work they were designed to do.Take for instance, the hay spike.  It's extremely advantageous for it to tilt upwards.  It keeps the bale in place when the tractor is traveling up a steep incline or gets to bouncing around.  Also it makes it possible for the tractor to travel thru a small ditch without the rear of the bale hitting the ground as the tractor transitions from going downhill to going uphill.The design has its drawbacks, but it's been around for a long time so I guess it's been found to be a good thing.They used to make a 2pt lift years ago, but I've never worked with one.  You don't see 'em anymore on modern equipment that I know of."Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Holy Cow!  Samm,Maybe we were trying to say the same thing.Yes, of course you can make adjustments. The holes and the nature of the 3rd member with its ability to turn in and out can make the difference. Never mean to imply that.  I was just trying to say that you can by using the right geometry and demensions keep the skid fairly level through the lifting cycle. By having the skid lift more in the back,  you "Lower" the ground clearnance in the front.  Getting a nearly level lift will give you more overall ground clearance. Yes, it can be done.  Some of the older tractors ahem... did not have the best lift geometry.  Newer tractors such as the newer JD's sell quick hitches that make hooking up a breeze. But if you notice,  they remain nearly perpindicular to the ground throughout the lifting cycle so that they can "hook" and unhook to multiple pieces of equipment with out making adjustments.   There is no special magic to it, just the right lift arm and top link geometry that allows the quick hitch to stay in a near vertical plane throughout the lifting cycle.BTW International Harvester not only fooled around with 2 point designs, they also had a few 1 points.  Just back into the spear shaped "male" piece and it clicked in if you were lucky.  They had the best 2 or 1 point design.The reason that the three point design did not catch on to other brands quickly was that Harry Ferguson held the patent on the 3 point hitch design from the late 30's and the top link sensing technology.  Ford bought or stole (depends on who you ask) the rights to manufacture the three point system.  That's why it isn't until the late 50's you see three point systems on brands like John Deere, IH,  AC et al. I guess the patent ran out. Early Fords had "Ferguson System" written on their hoods.Last edited by lugweld; 03-23-2009 at 05:32 PM.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT