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Can you guess what this is?  It will cost you about 700 bucks for me to make you one.It's made out of 10ga s.s. plate, 1/2 16 s.s. flat expanded, a little bit of 14ga s.s. plate and 1" plexi on the top. Attached ImagesCommon sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
Reply:I was gonna' say a Deep Fryer, but it'd be AWFUL hard to get the fries from between the EXP. Metal pieces and the Plexi might start to droop eventually....    LOL...Hmmmm, how about some kind of mixing tank for corrosive or flammable liquids ?  Maybe some kind of 'See-through' Gas tank ?Cheers,/Jman...Miller Diversion 165120 amp Buzz BoxVictor Oxy/Ace Oxy/LPGSmith "Little" Oxy/LPGHypertherm Powermax 30Lot's of Misc. tools n' crap....
Reply:looks a like a hydrogen generator.SimonLabel EverythingMetal Fabrication - Welding Repairs - Wrought Iron - Sign Writing - Custom Decals.
Reply:Stainless Steel suggests food - is it a brewing cooler?
Reply:I'm going with welder.man on this one or some other process that requires applying a current to a liquid.MikeConstans Fides et IntegritasLincoln Weldanpower 150 ACAirco Aircomatic MIGet CAV II w/ spoolgunMillermatic 30a wirefeeder
Reply:Big electrolitic condenser, battery, gen....Thinking for renewable energy device - support sol pnls, wind etc....We gussed good...Now TS has to share some:1. Is this thing wired during norm op?2. eNERGY IN OR OUT OR Both? (hited CapsLock)3. What liquid inside the thing?
Reply:transformer
Reply:Deep fryer for bacon. Yummy!!Rex
Reply:dehydrator
Reply:Real expensive end-table?
Reply:ug, something you need to see into (plexiglass) but not hot (plexiglass). i'm stumped.did somebody say bacon. ummmmmm bacon!
Reply:device to test for the clap?
Reply:Ok judging by the guesses,I go for a turkey egg incubator, because I think we all gonna have egg on our faces!
Reply:I'm going with hydrogen generator although I don't know how you would get the gas out(figuring plexi is top).
Reply:under priced from what i seeVantage 500's LN-25's, VI-400's, cobramatics, Miller migs, synch 350 LX, Powcon inverters, XMT's, 250 Ton Acurrpress 12' brake, 1/4" 10' Atlantic shear,Koikie plasma table W/ esab plasmas. marvel & hyd-mech saws, pirrana & metal muncher punches.
Reply:Originally Posted by Dualieunder priced from what i see
Reply:flookie filter?
Reply:I don't have a clue but for $700 I think I better get one!
Reply:I'm going to go with a generator of some sort as well.  Looks like there is an electrical connection, and the plexi is being used to isolate the expanded metal.  Being made of s.s. makes me thing it is going to have some not so friendly chemicals in it.
Reply:Hmmm,- calculator?  Check.- tape measure?  Check.- combination square?  Check.- McD drink?  Check.- big square of thick plexi?  Check.- chainsaw?  WTF.  Curious.Aren't those perimeter holes in the plexi a bit -too- close to the edge of the plexi?  Unless they really aren't doing anything much.  The best laid schemes ... Gang oft agley ...
Reply:Originally Posted by MoonRiseHmmm,- calculator?  Check.- tape measure?  Check.- combination square?  Check.- McD drink?  Check.- big square of thick plexi?  Check.- chainsaw?  WTF.  .
Reply:Flux capacitor for a time machine??South Arkansas RebelMiller 210 W/ Spoolgun& dual tank rackMiller Thunderbolt AC/DC
Reply:It's an HHO generator.  I know because I have been looking to build one myself.  BTW, you will get more efficiency out of plates instead of expanded metal.  Rough of the plates with a sand blaster or sand paper to increase your surface area.
Reply:is it a bomb!  lolsyncrowave 180 sd
Reply:A thing for cooking donuts in oil from liposuctions ?I'm going to go with HHO generator as well. Sitting on its back wall? Looks like one of the nicest ones I've seen.The soldering toys pay for the welding toys.Hakko 928 dual iron, 4xHakko 936Madell 850D Hot Air SMT ReworkMiller 252, HTP Invertig 201 AC/DC, and a Hypertherm 45.
Reply:I'm with the previous poster.  It looks like a dehydrator.Or, more specifically, a freeze dryer, aka a lyophilizer.
Reply:Originally Posted by MoonRiseHmmm,- calculator?  Check.- tape measure?  Check.- combination square?  Check.- McD drink?  Check.- big square of thick plexi?  Check.- chainsaw?  WTF.  Curious..
Reply:That would be a rough cut.  I used a skill saw. It is for supplementing your fuel with hydrogen.   I got to talking with a guy that actually was on a team that researched hydrogen production and he had alot to say about the design.  The more surface area, the better which included bead blasting the stainless.  Using high nickel powdered plates.  Running a PEM plate between each electrode to separate the oxygen and hydrogen production.  Using a different type of acid that would help the bubbles from sticking to the plates... The list went on and on.. He is going to give me a bunch of literature on the matter when he comes by again.Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
Reply:Originally Posted by BrainfarthThat would be a rough cut.  I used a skill saw. It is for supplementing your fuel with hydrogen.   I got to talking with a guy that actually was on a team that researched hydrogen production and he had alot to say about the design.  The more surface area, the better which included bead blasting the stainless.  Using high nickel powdered plates.  Running a PEM plate between each electrode to separate the oxygen and hydrogen production.  Using a different type of acid that would help the bubbles from sticking to the plates... The list went on and on.. He is going to give me a bunch of literature on the matter when he comes by again.
Reply:Originally Posted by 65535At risk of coming of as a jerk, doesn't work.
Reply:Oil-bath Zener Diode.
Reply:Originally Posted by DoogleassOil-bath Zener Diode.
Reply:If you don't mind, post up pics of your installation and please do some very detailed testing (not just "well it looks like I got a 1.2 mpg increase"), but some good raw data, both before and after.I looked in to these a couple years ago, seemed like there were a lot of people with dubious claims out there, and very few with true experimental data. I know there are a couple of true commercial systems on the market (for big rigs, for example), so the system can't be all "bunk", but you're not going to see incredible gains. I think the big rig gain was in the 10%-20% range - which, if you're driving a million miles, does represent a pretty large chunk. But for the average car, may not be worth it.The soldering toys pay for the welding toys.Hakko 928 dual iron, 4xHakko 936Madell 850D Hot Air SMT ReworkMiller 252, HTP Invertig 201 AC/DC, and a Hypertherm 45.
Reply:Originally Posted by soffiler+1 These things don't work as claimed.  Pass electric current thru water (usually mixed with some electrolyte, like baking soda, etc) and you will get hydrolysis, yes.  A gaseous stream containing H2, O2, and water vapor will come out.  And yes you can run that gaseous stream into your motor vehicle's intake system.  The problem is that there's no free lunch.  You can't get more energy back than you put into the hydrolysis in the first place.Claims that hydrogen allows leaner burn are only true under certain conditions.  One condition is that you need on the order of 10% of the intake stream to be hydrogen.  The very best HHO generator is going to supply about 1/1000 of that amount (and suck up every amp your alternator can produce, in the process).  You *also* need different compression ratios and ignition timing to realize the lean-burn benefit.Longer-term, the water vapor that inevitably comes out along with the H2 and O2 is going to crud up your engine block, too.
Reply:I've had quite a few customers come in for various components of electrolysis units.  One guy said he saw a 30% gain on his 4 cylinder truck motor's gas mileage.  I checked out his unit and it was pushing quite a volume of air out of the container.  There are some truths to these claims and think it all depends on the base motor and application as to whether you can get those numbers.Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
Reply:....you got me here......I'm kinda' thinking the water to gas generator, due to the stud on top for electrical connection....but no seal around the plexi.....whole thing is some kind of electrolylic device I'm sure....  No...wouldn't be water to hydrogen...you'd need two separate places to draw off the Hydrogen and the Oxygen....  I'm not going with a capacitor either....you'd want a lot more surface area...  I've done a lot of stainless work for food stuff....that's a very nice piece of work...especially for the $700....stainless costs a fortune these days....Dougspair
Reply:Originally Posted by soffilerStill guessing?  The question was already answered in post #29.
Reply:I had a friend who was asking about making one of these to actually run generators and subsequently his house from a setup like this.  The crowd that sells these things is working on the premise that the alternator is making electricity that is just being thrown away somehow.  Obviously, that isn't true.  There is no way to generate hydrogen at a rate high enough to make a difference to your engine.  If this was really possible, don't you think that the power company would be doing it.  There is no conspiracy to protect the oil company.  The power company has to pay for the oil and would love to reduce its cost of production to increase their profits.  Any mileage increase in a gasoline car from one of these devices is going to be due to driving habits, not HHO (love the catchy name).  It is possible that in a large diesel, hydrogen could help because of the slower burning nature of diesel, but that's not what I'm talking about.  Also consider this.  Hydrogen from electrolysis takes more energy to produce than it produces when it re-combines with oxygen (combustion).  That work is the crankshaft horsepower delivered to the alternator.  The alternator is less that 100% efficient further hurting the energy balance.  The engine then burns the hydrogen that is produced and converts somewhere about 1/3 of it to mechanical energy and the rest is heat to the radiator and exhaust.  As far as the argument that it helps the combustion happen faster and therefore increases combustion efficiency and reduces the time for the burning of the fuel air charge, how could you benefit from that if you never have to change the timing?Nice job on the welding though,Rene
Reply:Originally Posted by DoogleassIt was intended as a joke - a device about as common and useful as that depicted in the OP.
Reply:Originally Posted by zerepenerI had a friend who was asking about making one of these to actually run generators and subsequently his house from a setup like this.  The crowd that sells these things is working on the premise that the alternator is making electricity that is just being thrown away somehow.  Obviously, that isn't true.  There is no way to generate hydrogen at a rate high enough to make a difference to your engine.  If this was really possible, don't you think that the power company would be doing it.  There is no conspiracy to protect the oil company.  The power company has to pay for the oil and would love to reduce its cost of production to increase their profits.  Any mileage increase in a gasoline car from one of these devices is going to be due to driving habits, not HHO (love the catchy name).  It is possible that in a large diesel, hydrogen could help because of the slower burning nature of diesel, but that's not what I'm talking about.  Also consider this.  Hydrogen from electrolysis takes more energy to produce than it produces when it re-combines with oxygen (combustion).  That work is the crankshaft horsepower delivered to the alternator.  The alternator is less that 100% efficient further hurting the energy balance.  The engine then burns the hydrogen that is produced and converts somewhere about 1/3 of it to mechanical energy and the rest is heat to the radiator and exhaust.  As far as the argument that it helps the combustion happen faster and therefore increases combustion efficiency and reduces the time for the burning of the fuel air charge, how could you benefit from that if you never have to change the timing?Nice job on the welding though,Rene
Reply:Originally Posted by BrainfarthI've had quite a few customers come in for various components of electrolysis units.  One guy said he saw a 30% gain on his 4 cylinder truck motor's gas mileage.  I checked out his unit and it was pushing quite a volume of air out of the container.  There are some truths to these claims and think it all depends on the base motor and application as to whether you can get those numbers.
Reply:"The crowd that sells these things is working on the premise that the alternator is making electricity that is just being thrown away somehow. Obviously, that isn't true"i'm going to have to disagree with you on this one, isn't that why there's a regulator on an alternator? to keep it from overcharging the batteries?
Reply:The regulator reduces the alternator's output by controlling the field voltage.  In effect it creates a constant voltage output that the vehicle uses to drive its electrical system.  There may be some losses and inefficiencies, but the electrical system is using all of the current that the alternator produces.  If the system current demand goes up, the current from the alternator goes up.  The inverse is also true.  Watch the ammeter from an old car and you can see what I mean.Rene
Reply:Originally Posted by rusty ripple"The crowd that sells these things is working on the premise that the alternator is making electricity that is just being thrown away somehow. Obviously, that isn't true"i'm going to have to disagree with you on this one, isn't that why there's a regulator on an alternator? to keep it from overcharging the batteries?
Reply:what i cant help thinking is the engine demand is governed by the driver, not by the alternator, so if an engine is running at 2500 rpm(i drive a diesel so if thats low for a gas engine, oops) for an extended period, highway driving, then isnt the alternator already spinning faster than it needs to be keeping up with the current demands?  if its not, how does it keep up during driving where the engine is not at sustained high rpms?
Reply:The driver sets the rpm of the alternator.  The amount of power produced is controlled by the regulator.  So, in the case of an electric start lawnmower, the alternator produces nothing (cdi would use a little juice, magneto uses no alternator) after the battery is charged.  In a car, the alternator produces only what is required by the computer, accessories etc..  Think of it in watts.  100 amp alternator, 13.5 volts equals 1350 watts max.  If your current demand is at 10 amps, then you have 135 watts.  If the alternator was still producing 1350 watts, where does that energy go?  It would have to become heat somewhere.  If you hotwire an alternator and bypass the governor, the voltage would go crazy high as soon as demand reduces after startup, because there isn't enough load to keep the voltage down.  The driven speed of the alternator limits the max power capacity of the alternator, but does not determine the power generated at any given time.Rene
Reply:looks beastly.. cept what happened to the top left hole lol
Reply:Originally Posted by bandersonlooks beastly.. cept what happened to the top left hole lol
Reply:Yeah... one of the holes got away from me.  They specked  too small of a flange.  As for the sloppy welds?  Since it had to stay a reasonable cost for the customer and the top is going to be rubberized, there was not an issue with my finish work.Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.