japanese to german powersterring adaption

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so im putting a 3.3L subaru into a volkwagen vanagon - turned out to be almost a complete p.i.t.a. - anyway here is the last part we had to make. i couldnt find any hydraulic shop to mate the german powersteering fitting to the japanese powersteering hose so we decided to just weld it up.both were carbon steel and my welder used a stainless rod with tig to mate them together. we tested it up to 125psi and no problems!I break things for a living...
Reply:Well, that weld looks like a bunch of dog **** and I bet you 100 bucks that it blows out within the first 5 mins. I wouldnt have done it that way, but boys will be boys...
Reply:Originally Posted by SS79fordWell, that weld looks like a bunch of dog **** and I bet you 100 bucks that it blows out within the first 5 mins. I wouldnt have done it that way, but boys will be boys...
Reply:He only joined today to enlighten us with that great bit of info.Probably trolling.
Reply:It will be interesting to see how it does, I would imagine the system puts out a lot more than 125PSI anyway, keep us informed how it goes.But I would have thought there would have been a way to make up adapters or even cut the hose off and get a hydrualic shop to crimp it onto the fitting you needed.
Reply:Tough crowdCommon sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
Reply:Originally Posted by partsmanIt will be interesting to see how it does, I would imagine the system puts out a lot more than 125PSI anyway, keep us informed how it goes.But I would have thought there would have been a way to make up adapters or even cut the hose off and get a hydrualic shop to crimp it onto the fitting you needed.
Reply:I think most auto powersteering pressures run about 300psi. Look at the hose its a single fiber braid hose, not high pressure steel braid like hyd. I weld aluminum airconditioner line together quite often, somewhere around 2-6 a week in the spring and 1-2 a week during the summer. Same mechanic shops and even for the two dealerships in town. It works. I have only done a hand full of PS lines and I usually braze leaving a thick weld, havn't had any complaints. I braze a few diesel injector and return lines every summer also. smokin_dodge, the only problem I had was with a steel fuel line that a customer wanted me to tig, I used stainless and it cracked around the weld. I then tigged mild steel and it also broke around weld. Called cust and told him. I asked to braze which he was orig against. He OKed and it worked. He was installing FI motor in old Bronco. This was 4 or 5 years ago and its still going.Peter
Reply:I think that most power steering systems run 1000-1500 psi but I could be wrong. Do you know what exact style of fittings you need. Most metric hoses are a JIS fitting or Kumotsu and shouldn't be that hard to find. Even I, who makes very few metric hoses, stock JIS fittings. German hoses can be a bit harder to find on the shelf. Even with that the crimp dies are sized by the hose not the fitting so thats not a problem. If you the size/style of fitting needed it should only take a day or few to get the correct fitting.That being said I seen tigged up fittings last longer than the hose in 2500 psi tractor systems. A picture on the net  can not say whether the weld will hold or not. I would rig up some type of deadhead rig to test the joint beyond the systems relief valve setting. Even if it passes a deadhead test the weld may still fail some time down the road due to vibration.Tough as nails and damn near as smart
Reply:I probably would have just converted it to a manual rack.
Reply:Yes, I think the better route would be to find the correct fittings at either end, they should both be metric, then build a line  using proper fitting and materials.I admire the pioneering aspect of your repair, except I also have to agree that it wont be with you long.
Reply:Originally Posted by riceburnerYes, I think the better route would be to find the correct fittings at either end, they should both be metric, then build a line  using proper fitting and materials.I admire the pioneering aspect of your repair, except I also have to agree that it wont be with you long.
Reply:well since im mr only one post, i guess i better say that im the SOB that WELDED that pos hose. the d*** weld is going to hold.  also, i hope he mentioned that i also welded up a AL piston in the same shop and hand cut the ring grooves back in it. welded the gas tank full of gas when he was hidin n the tool room! and made a custom intake.And i know that if he could have made the hose the right way he would have. but money, time, and NEED are huge factors in the reasons that we welded it. i was planin on slippin the od smaller hose into the id of the bigger one but they were two different wall thicknesses so i had to butt weld and used the 308L rod with LOTS of gas to keep the temp as low as i could....But SMOKIN DODGE does a damn good job in the shop. couldnt ask for a better hand.
Reply:Worst case; If the supply line blows, you have to use muscle to steer the car, (while praying the fluid doesn't burst into flames when it sprays onto the hot exhaust)."SOUTHPAW" A wise person learns from another persons mistakes;A smart person learns from their own mistakes;But, a stupid person.............never learns.
Reply:We as a group (myself especially) should not have been so quick to jump and find fault with your repair. If you think it is going to be sufficient for the job that it is doing I suspect you are right.To do the jobs that you have described, piston, fuel tank and intake does require skills that many here lack.
Reply:Originally Posted by tresiBoth metric? yes ,but theres a world of difference between europeon and asian, Well at at least 1/2 a world.
Reply:I live in Temple, at a hydraulic cylinder manufacturer. If I am close and your fix doesn't work let me know. I will help you get it going on "government" time.I am currently putting a full race smallblock in a Datsun 240Z.Bill
Reply:Could you post up a picture of the fittings you need? Maybe somebody here knows a source for crimp fittings.
Reply:I would have put a sleeve over both ends and then welded it..Oh well.....zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:didnt have the right pipe... or i would have.... i was thinking about cutting the pipe i did have and making it fit (was the same size as od on bigger pipe.) but would have still been weak as well... it it blows out. we will have to take it to someone and get it fixed. we have until may I heard to make sure everything is good...my dads 61 and he told me he has personally welded and brazed many PS hoses together "in his day" and i quote that.
Reply:Originally Posted by riceburnerDont think it matters, a metric is metric. Unless of course if it is a British Wentworth.
Reply:ya one end had a taper with a o ring and a nut that came over? the other end was just a m/f compression type of some kind...
Reply:I faced a similar situation with a hydraulic winch powered from my power steering pump. (Jeep). I found it was easy to drill out an inexpensive AN-6 male hydraulic fitting and braze it onto the pump or gearbox fitting to make and adapter.    A local hydraulic shop built hoses to order with standard AN-6 fittings.    Power steering pressures are usually not more then 1500 psi. so design for 3K.
Reply:You can always make it work like this...Split the PS hose plowing at 2am plowing. One of the guys I plow with went to see if he had a spare in the shop. Came back with the service truck they use to build hyd lines for machines with the hydraulic swager and all the fittings. Cut hose, find matching male/females the fit the hose size and swage them on to "git R done"... I keep it as a spare now.Oh and one of the wonderful things with Ford, is that they use the PS pump to boost the brakes. As soon as the PS line ruptures you loose your brakes as well as have to go arm strong on the stearing. Attached Images.No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Everybody used hydroboost brakes in the heavier pickups, larger trucks too sometimes.Tough as nails and damn near as smartOriginally Posted by SS79fordwell since im mr only one post, i guess i better say that im the SOB that WELDED that pos hose. the d*** weld is going to hold.  also, i hope he mentioned that i also welded up a AL piston in the same shop and hand cut the ring grooves back in it. welded the gas tank full of gas when he was hidin n the tool room! and made a custom intake.And i know that if he could have made the hose the right way he would have. but money, time, and NEED are huge factors in the reasons that we welded it. i was planin on slippin the od smaller hose into the id of the bigger one but they were two different wall thicknesses so i had to butt weld and used the 308L rod with LOTS of gas to keep the temp as low as i could....But SMOKIN DODGE does a damn good job in the shop. couldnt ask for a better hand.
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWOh and one of the wonderful things with Ford, is that they use the PS pump to boost the brakes. As soon as the PS line ruptures you loose your brakes as well as have to go arm strong on the stearing.
Reply:Originally Posted by papabearI have yet to see a vehicle that has brake boost from a P/S pump. . . .
Reply:Earlier post I said I thought PS pressure was about 300psi, I was wrong. Most common systems run 900 to 1000psi. Highest common automotive is 1300psi. Oh well.... I have not made up a new hose for one since I opened my new shop in 2000. I have brazed a few old hoses though. Peter
Reply:I have to agree with Castweld's brazing solution, per post #8.With little heat, a spot of braze would have quickly wicked the tubes together for a permanent vibration resistant repair, with less chance of any damaging slag or residue entering the system.Good LuckLast edited by denrep; 02-01-2010 at 07:38 PM.
Reply:The reason for using hydro boost is that a diesel does not create intake manifold vacuum sufficient to operate a vacuum booster.
Reply:Originally Posted by bbiggsThe reason for using hydro boost is that a diesel does not create intake manifold vacuum sufficient to operate a vacuum booster.
Reply:My '99 350 diesel has the hydroboost also..I could never figure out why the power steering lines went to this whatchamacallit BEHIND the master cylinder..Lost a P/S hose awhile back and the first thing I noticed was the NOISE it made when stepping on the brake pedal...Stopped OK but you knew something was wrong when the infamous "Ford Power Steering "Whine" came into play when on the binders...LOT'S of $$$$$$$$$$later......zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:I know this is welding sacralige, but IMO you would have been better off (and if it does fail) will be better off just going german-metric hose-japanese If the hose ID's are different you can simply use high pressure connectors to adapt them to each other. Rather than dealing with welding thing tubing.
Reply:So..... the thing held....awsome, and the van runs... even better...