English wheel Project.

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Well guys I am getting ready to build my English wheel. I just ordered my anvils and lower dies. Here is the anvil and lower dies I purchased.Here is a pick I found on the net of what I am going to build.I hope to start the project very soon so I will how the build here when I get going on it.Miller DVI2Lincoln Precision Tig 225Thermodynamics Cutmaster 38Everything else needed.
Reply:Wow, those are some jazzy looking parts.At the aviation dept where i work they bought a HF English wheel and i don't think it even has bearings in the dies.I have tried it a couple of times and cant figure it out cant wait to see some of your results .Victor SuperRanger O/A                                         Solar migLincoln Powermig 140Southbend 9in lathe350# kohlswa anvilMiller Maxstar 150 stl etc....
Reply:Wow! Those ARE fancy! Hey - I thought you were behind the power curve with the tacos.  Now you're just out buying toys! I'm still waiting for my chopper plans and my heat exchanger drawing. John -  fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!-  bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:heat exchanger drawing? Mine wasn;t GOOD ENOUGH for you ro someting? hehehehehe  good looking set-up J... keep us up to date as to how it's comming... i'd be interested in making one some day.Later,Andy
Reply:Nice project. I hope you don't follow the frame design exactly as shown in the picture. I find it to be quite self-serving...borderline ridiculous. It must have 100 pieces. Why take something so simple as a "C" shaped frame with legs and turn it into an engineering marvel requiring 1200 linear feet of weld. Making it strong is one thing, but c'mon...give me a breakLast edited by Tinbasher; 12-06-2007 at 01:52 AM.
Reply:Originally Posted by TinbasherNice project. I hope you don't follow the frame design exactly as shown in the picture. I find it to be quite self-serving...borderline ridiculous. It must have 100 pieces. Why take something so simple as a "C" shaped frame with legs and turn it into an engineering marvel requiring 1200 linear feet of weld. Making it strong is one thing, but c'mon...give me a break
Reply:I am not familiar with either tool-but what can be done with that wheel tool that cannot be done with Harbor Freights $79 planishing hammer?Don't both tools make flat stock into something resembling a '40 Ford fender?
Reply:Originally Posted by KnotboredI am not familiar with either tool-but what can be done with that wheel tool that cannot be done with Harbor Freights $79 planishing hammer?Don't both tools make flat stock into something resembling a '40 Ford fender?
Reply:Originally Posted by KnotboredI am not familiar with either tool-but what can be done with that wheel tool that cannot be done with Harbor Freights $79 planishing hammer?Don't both tools make flat stock into something resembling a '40 Ford fender?
Reply:Originally Posted by jamlitA planishing hammer is used to rough in some shapes where the English wheel will give you a smooth finished surface. In most cases where tight curves are involved you would use the planishing hammer to shape the metal then finish with the english wheel. I have the Harbor freight planishing hammer which for the price I found to be well worth the money. When I get some projects started I will post some pic's of them. Here is a link to a post I did awhile back on the planishing hammer.http://www.weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread...nishing+hammer
Reply:Can you post where you purchased the anvil and dies from.Thanks,Ron ShopFloorTalk Millermatic 350P, M-25, M-40 gunsDynasty 300DX, Coolmate 3, Crafter CS-310 TorchTrailblazer 302, 12RC, WC-2430A spoolgunSpectrum 2050Thermal Arc Plasma Welder PS-3000/WC-100B
Reply:Originally Posted by Shade Tree WelderCan you post where you purchased the anvil and dies from.Thanks,
Reply:Thanks.Ron ShopFloorTalk Millermatic 350P, M-25, M-40 gunsDynasty 300DX, Coolmate 3, Crafter CS-310 TorchTrailblazer 302, 12RC, WC-2430A spoolgunSpectrum 2050Thermal Arc Plasma Welder PS-3000/WC-100B
Reply:New update on this project. I got the wheel and dies and started trying to figure out the design. I spent some time on this and was able to get some help from a few guys who are at the top in regards to english wheels. I got a great deal on some 3x3x3/8 tubing so I had to figure the design using this material. I found out the the stresses on the frame are super big and the frame needs to be built to handle the stress properly. So after all the research I am going to make mine look similar to the one below.So I will be laminating the tubing together to end up with a 3x6 tube. Then spend a lot of time cutting all the angles. Thanks god for the creation of the bandsaw. Here is a drawing of the basic setup using the tube I have. The drawing is not to scale. Hope to start cutting this week end and will post as I go.Miller DVI2Lincoln Precision Tig 225Thermodynamics Cutmaster 38Everything else needed.
Reply:The "C" shape is used to make the tool self-contained and stand-alone.  As well as allowing bowl-shaped objects, ie workpieces as they change from flat sheetmetal into bowl-shaped objects, to be bowl-shaped over the lower anvil and post and not immediately smack into the frame.If you have more available space overhead, you can beef up the tool by making it look more like a jib crane.  Except the loading in the upper support member(s) would be compression (for the e-wheel) instead of tensile (for the jib crane).note: pic not to scale, crude MS-Paint quick sketch only Attached Images
Reply:Originally Posted by MoonRiseThe "C" shape is used to make the tool self-contained and stand-alone.  As well as allowing bowl-shaped objects, ie workpieces as they change from flat sheetmetal into bowl-shaped objects, to be bowl-shaped over the lower anvil and post and not immediately smack into the frame.If you have more available space overhead, you can beef up the tool by making it look more like a jib crane.  Except the loading in the upper support member(s) would be compression (for the e-wheel) instead of tensile (for the jib crane).note: pic not to scale, crude MS-Paint quick sketch only
Reply:They did an exhaustive amount of research on this over at metalmeet using engineering stress analyzation software. I don't know much about it but saying "engineering stress analyzation software" makes me sound cool. John -  fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!-  bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:Here is the link to my thread on metalmeet.comThis will explain the reason for this design. http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9860Miller DVI2Lincoln Precision Tig 225Thermodynamics Cutmaster 38Everything else needed.
Reply:well I had some time to start my English Wheel build. All I did was start cutting up the material. Slow going trying to get all the angles right and the materail is rather thick. Thank God for bandsaws.Here is the saw cutting The design drawn on the shop floorNow some of the material cut and layed out on the drawing.More to come when I get time.Miller DVI2Lincoln Precision Tig 225Thermodynamics Cutmaster 38Everything else needed.
Reply:Looks like you have a good start J - congratulations! John -  fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!-  bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:Managed to find a little more time to work On the Ewheel build. Here is a few pic's.Some beads with the new miller DVI2. 175+ amps @ 27DC Volts with 0.030 wirwMiller DVI2Lincoln Precision Tig 225Thermodynamics Cutmaster 38Everything else needed.
Reply:Looks good J - I would probably use .035 wire on that stuff.John -  fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!-  bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:is the weak point of all the stress at the axel of both dies? so you only have to build it to the shear point of the axel shaft. the prodject looks real nice.Life is tuff,so be sharp  lincoln sp 100  cutmaster101  miller bobcat  miller 250 mig  $thousands in snapon
Reply:That's going to be a healthy chunk if that's all 3/8ths tubing.  Welding all those joints good and holding the pattern shape is going to be a  challenge..
Reply:you seem to have a realy good fit up I think movement from heat will be minimal with that kind of fit up.  As long as you clamp it of course.That's going to be a healthy chunk if that's all 3/8ths tubing.  Welding all those joints good and holding the pattern shape is going to be a challenge.Sandy.I think it will fairly easy. 3/8 wall square tubing welded back to back should keep thing fairly ridgid so only the weld pull will need to be allowed for. I will be welding it all over the place and will add some support bars during the weld to keep things aligned. As to weight, Wow its going to be a heavy tool. I still can't believe the strength that needed. I spent some time chatting with the top guys in the E wheel field and they all said they wouldn't go lighter and may even want to add to this if it flexs. I was going to use 2x4x1/4 tube. I decided against this after they told we I should weld to side by side and then add one two the bottom. Crazy. I am hoping to keep the over all weight no more then 500lbs, and that heavyer than I wanted.you seem to have a realy good fit up I think movement from heat will be minimal with that kind of fit up. As long as you clamp it of course.mr2turbo7I spent a lot of time figuring out all the angles. each joint is near as prefect as possible. I like things to fit prefect as it makes for one less problem during the welding process. Thanks for all the kinds words every one. Hope to have it standing soon and then it on to the adjuster and wheel bases.Miller DVI2Lincoln Precision Tig 225Thermodynamics Cutmaster 38Everything else needed.
Reply:Well the frame is welded together. Came out very straight in the right shape. I will be working on the lower arm and top adjuster next.Miller DVI2Lincoln Precision Tig 225Thermodynamics Cutmaster 38Everything else needed.
Reply:j that is really taking shape. looking good.i bet its getting hard to move around now.whats next??G3miller... 225g, s32p, 250x, 304, 12vs, MSW41     victor o/a thermal dynamics cutmaster 50 lenco panel spotter        hobart hf-boxG3 Farms.....raising cattle, hay, kids and hell, ...oh yeah I'm a fire sprinkler contractor by trade.
Reply:Is that a late 30's Dodge grill surround on the wall? Oh yea, nice looking project by the way. Bet its getting nice and heavy...
Reply:Originally Posted by EnderIs that a late 30's Dodge grill surround on the wall? Oh yea, nice looking project by the way. Bet its getting nice and heavy...
Reply:Project is coming along nicely  You can't go wrong with that design.You also went with the best wheels,should be a killer English wheel.Have you started on your adjuster yet?One other question did you buy your cradles from Hoosier there are very pricey but very nice.I just made my own couldn't afford the nice one's
Reply:Originally Posted by jhnarialProject is coming along nicely  You can't go wrong with that design.You also went with the best wheels,should be a killer English wheel.Have you started on your adjuster yet?One other question did you buy your cradles from Hoosier there are very pricey but very nice.I just made my own couldn't afford the nice one's
Reply:My wheel works really well but I still have a lot to learn.To shape something is easy to copy something is a little harder but I am starting to get the hang of it.Its a great hobby and I enjoy my weekends in the shop.have fun with yours
Reply:Originally Posted by jamlitThanks,I am just starting to build an upper adjuster. I will be machining my own cradles. I have a friend that has a lathe and milling machine, so I am planning on doing all the work myself. How does your wheel work ?
Reply:Originally Posted by compwaiting on more pics and info
Reply:This is a lot late in the piece, but aren't you basically making a G clamp? So all that metal in the centre of the arc is mostly decorative?
Reply:This project seems to be taking forever as I never seem to have enough time.I am finally getting back to getting my Ewheel finished up. I am working on building the adjuster. I went with a top adjuster for this project. Here are some pic's of the adjuster build and. I tacked the it up on the frame but it may need to be moved when I build the lower arm of the frame which holds the dies.Miller DVI2Lincoln Precision Tig 225Thermodynamics Cutmaster 38Everything else needed.
Reply:Looking good Jamlit - What is the dimensions of the tube and the ram?  Also what is the thickness of the nylon material?CharlieCharlie
Reply:Nice looking project. When I was on the west coast in Comox was involved with a Spitfire restoration. The Mechanic there was an expert on wheeling. It was amazing watching him take flat aluminium and transfering it into complex curved pieces that went in the aircraft fuselage. If I remember correctly it took 3 days just to do the belly skin which was I think close to 12 guage material and curved in more than one direction. It is amazing what a good wheeler can make with piece of equipmentHarold MulderMiller 211 AutosetHTP 201 Invertig with water coolerHardinge Cataract Quick Change Lathe
Reply:Originally Posted by 59halfstepLooking good Jamlit - What is the dimensions of the tube and the ram?  Also what is the thickness of the nylon material?Charlie
Reply:Nice build, looks pretty heavy.  I am looking forward to seeing the completed project.-Dave
Reply:wow its coming along nicely can wait to see what this machine would be able to do.Adam MMorales Ranch
Reply:I started on the lower arm yesterday but couldn't find the plates I had cut out to bolt the lower arm on. I am making the lower arm of the frame removable so that when I get a bigger wheel set, I can make a second arm that will allow for the bigger wheel differences. I did spend some time getting one of the arm pieces cut and allowed for the plates. I should be better close to having it finished before on or this up coming weekend. After that I will see how many fingers I squish LOL. I also built a stand for my planishing hammer since I should be into shaping some sheet metal soon and then clean up my corner of the shop. Miller DVI2Lincoln Precision Tig 225Thermodynamics Cutmaster 38Everything else needed.
Reply:Well I am getting very very close now completing this job now. Took awhile to make a diagonal cut on the tube but got it done. Spent quite awhile lining everything up but it sits prefect. I still have some welding to do one it but grabbed a piece of aluminum sheet to try it out anyway. I am looking so forward to shaping some sheet metal.Miller DVI2Lincoln Precision Tig 225Thermodynamics Cutmaster 38Everything else needed.
Reply:Jesse James has one,  when U get going we'd like some "thumb" pics as you learn  It is great to try something that very few folks focus on and I've followed the build, very well done for sure... real satisfaction to make a curvy piece?  Could U make your own AL gal with that?   enjoy,Lincoln Power MIG 215Lincoln WeldPak 3200HDLincon ProCut 25Lincoln WeldanPower 225 AC/DCIf all else fails... buy more tools
Reply:Thanks Papalion, it mean a lot. It been along time getting done but it really was worth the effort. I will make sure to take a pic of my first hit on the thumb LOL. Its going to take a little getting used to as it is like driving backwards to get the metal to move where you want. After I get the last little welding done and test it I will be cleaning it up for a paint job. I am hoping to build some custom gas tanks for bike. I am sure it will take some time to get it down but I have been very lucky with tools and projects like this. I seem to pick it up fast and hope this will be the same with this one.I will post up my first real project I complete with it.Miller DVI2Lincoln Precision Tig 225Thermodynamics Cutmaster 38Everything else needed.
Reply:That's a big burly tool! Nice work. I PM'd you for some advise200amp Air Liquide MIG, Hypertherm Plasma, Harris torches, Optrel helmet, Makita angle grinders, Pre-China Delta chop saw and belt sander, Miller leathers, shop made jigs etc, North- welders backpack.
Reply:Finished up all the welding and only have the hand wheel left to make. Not much of a change but her it is as it sits now. I am planning on cutting the legs off it and redesigning it so it will be easyer to move around.I am rebuilding a little truck I bought for a super deal. I decided to try and repair the door. I cut the damaged section out and wheeled it smooth on the ewheel. Worked sweet and I could believe how flat it came. Using the wheel is going to be funMiller DVI2Lincoln Precision Tig 225Thermodynamics Cutmaster 38Everything else needed.