Why is Everlast hated so much here?

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I want to know why lots of guys on here hate Everlast machines. Most of them that I have read talking bad about them, never owned one. So IF you do actually own a Everlast, and hate it, tell me why. I don't wanna hear Miller is better because it's a miller. That's like saying Dodge is better than  Ford. Or a F-150 is better than a Tundra just because it's American made. I promise you not everything in a Miller or Lincoln machine is American made. So let's hear it.Millermatic 211PowerPlasma 50s
Reply:I cant speak for there machines because I have never used one. But from what I have seen direct from EVERLAST the customer service & communication SUCK!You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else. Albert Einstein
Reply:A lot of it has to do with the ethics involved in their customer services/PR. Where the threads that involve problems and unsatisfied customers seem to disappear. as they have bought the rights to move threads about them to their own section and delete/move/edit them as they see fit.There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's your duty to determine the right one.Hobart Handler 210Airco 225 Amp MSM Stinger
Reply:The way they promote themselves, among other things......Disclaimer; "I am just an a$$hole welder, don't take it personally ."
Reply:I don't think anyone likes to accept the fact that someone other than miller or lincoln can make a quality machine for a lot less money.Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:Originally Posted by GambleI don't think anyone likes to accept the fact that someone other than miller or lincoln can make a quality machine for a lot less money.
Reply:As others have said, it has a lot to do with their business ethics. I'd point you to specific threads as examples, but as mentioned these threads get moved to the Everlast area where they are promptly deleted by the manufacturer so they are no negative posts for unsuspecting consumers to see.There have also been instances where they've used strong arm tactics to force buyers with problem machines to have threads closed or they would not deal with faulty machines, new machines that arrive DOA, replacement machines that arrive DOA ( in some cases multiple times), replacement parts for new machines damaged in shipping that take months to arrive even though they were "in stock" ( yet need to come over with the supposed "next shipment"), shills and company people who pretend to be customers and rave about the machines, they've paid customers with "free" consumables to right good reviews, and it also seems like they do their best to drag out problems so they can get past the time limits customers have to work thru their credit card companies or ebay to resolve issues with new machines....After you see a bunch of these over and over, it gets a bit tiring..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by astaindsoul5446agreed, old habbits are hard to break.
Reply:Originally Posted by LarryOAfter the way Oleg treated you yesterday, i would have sent the machine back just like he asked.Oh, and the tread in question in the Everlast section Called " Why? " is now deleted
Reply:We discussed this matter today on the phone, and settled our differences about the situation. To be honest with you the machine is actually quite impressive. But i was pondering the thought, but i talked with oleg and lug and squashed the issue. I tend to get a little hot headed and it was kinda a misunderstanding (misinterpritation) of the situation. But He apologized for being short and acting the way he did and explained the situation, and also i can kinda understand where hes coming from with the anti chicom bs etc....Miller bobcat 225g  - spoolmatic 1Mm250 - 30a spoolMiller spectrum 375Thermal arc 95 Everlast Ex 250As the boiler turns, these are the days of our lives
Reply:What company flames a current customer/potential customer for asking a question?Also its not all anti Chinese.Before your time there was a lot of trouble between the 2 import companys on this board.I dont feel like getting into it now but someone may step up.
Reply:Originally Posted by 225I want to know why lots of guys on here hate Everlast machines. Most of them that I have read talking bad about them, never owned one. So IF you do actually own a Everlast, and hate it, tell me why. I don't wanna hear Miller is better because it's a miller. That's like saying Dodge is better than  Ford. Or a F-150 is better than a Tundra just because it's American made. I promise you not everything in a Miller or Lincoln machine is American made. So let's hear it.
Reply:I've had a PowerArc 200 for about 18-months now, love it. It will weld circles around my Dynasty on SMAW. It runs 6010 every bit as nice as my short hoods, and 7018 every bit as nice as my red face machines. But I paid less for the SA-200s. Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by 225I want to know why lots of guys on here hate Everlast machines. Most of them that I have read talking bad about them, never owned one. So IF you do actually own a Everlast, and hate it, tell me why. I don't wanna hear Miller is better because it's a miller. That's like saying Dodge is better than  Ford. Or a F-150 is better than a Tundra just because it's American made. I promise you not everything in a Miller or Lincoln machine is American made. So let's hear it.
Reply:Originally Posted by Fat BastardHi Oly or Oleg or what ever your name is this week. The machines suck. They are knock-offs, cheap ones at that. Made with inferior parts and workman. AND your customer service is $hit.
Reply:Just for fun. I used to be a modedrator here.   I saw things most can't.  Its NOT the welder.  Its the people selling them.  I have been here a long time and seen things I do not accept.   Enough to make me leave here for a while and sure as heck give up the moderator status.Those guys that sell the machines are clowns.The machines are what they are.   The snake oil salesmen claim them to be as good as Lincoln or Miller.    DavidReal world weldin.  When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:This might upset you if you had to do this to your new welder!OK here it is.DISREGARD ANY WIRE COLORS YOU MAY SEE. PLEASE RELY UPON THE NUMBERING BELOW. ONLY REMOVE THE WIRES AS INSTRUCTED. DO NOT REMOVE ALL WIRES FROM THE AFFECTED WIRE CONNECTOR, UNLESS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. Please ask if you aren't sure what to do or you think I left out something. Please look at the pictures below and reference the numbers where I note them. Please read through this before you start.You will need:Volt/ohm meter or continuity tester5.6k resistor, 1/4 watt, with 5% accuracysoldering iron, rosin core soldersliding pin connector as shown in pictures.small bladed flat head Screwdriver, small pointed punch or small nailNeedle nose pliersWire stripper/crimperpossibly a short section of 18 or 22 gauge wiremasking tape, and a market or pen that can write on the tape.Start by unplugging the welder for at least 15 minutes.1) Locate the front circuit board pictured in picture 1, orient yourself by standing in front of the welder. (board removed for clear view)2) Locate and remove the second from the left white 9 pin connector. This is the one you will need to be concerned with rewiring. (Picture 2 and 3)3) Following removal of the connector, Remove wires ONLY 4-7 as shown in pictures 4-6 by inserting a small screwdriver, or punch into the slot to press the tang down so the metal connector will slide out. Do not remove harness. Do not remove wires 1 and 2 or 8 and 9! Only remove wires 4-7 in picture 3A. Just leave them close by. Do not pull them out, or try to remove them fully. Only isolate them for testing later.4) Trace the wires you have just removed. Locate the TWO wires that are spliced together with a clear crimped end connector, not too far from the metal connector. It is likely it is two orange wires or two same colored wires...but exact wire colors or numbers located on the wire cannot be trusted. Make sure it is connected to one of the connectors you have just removed. Cut the wires apart, carefully, making them as long as possible, keeping one end with the metal connector intact. You will now have one wire with a connector attached and another that is bare.5) USE a pin connector similar to the one shown in picture 7. It won't matter if it is square or round, it just needs to fit down into the white connector and make contact with the pin as shown in pictures 8. (For future reference, it will be installed into the connector as shown in picture 10, but do not make installation yet.) Gently strip the insulation off the wire without a connector wire. Gently Adjust the pin by shaping as shown to fit the connector as shown in picture 9. Do not insert connector yet as shown in picture 10, but this is how it should look when installed into the connector. THE POSITION OF THE WIRE IN THE PICTURE MAY OR MAY NOT COINCIDE WITH THE ACTUAL INSTALLATION POSITION. SHOWN FOR ILLUSTRATION PURPOSES ONLY! MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ENOUGH WIRE LEFT TO REACH THE CONNECTOR BEFORE YOU COMPLETE THIS STEP! IF NOT YOU WILL HAVE TO ADD OR SPLICE IN AN ADDITIONAL SHORT LENGTH OF WIRE.6) Take Volt/ohm meter and set it for the continuity testing, with an audible beep if equipped. Test for continuity, between the pins on the 7 pin connector and the wires you have removed from the white circuit board connector. Write down the pin number and corresponding wire color. Use the numbering assigned as shown in Picture 6A. For easy identification, use a write down the number of the pin on a piece of masking tape and wrap around each wire. IMPORTANT Pins 1 and 2 on the 7 pin connector SHOULD not have continuity to any of the removed wires.7) After identifying the wires, Reinsert the wires according using the following assigned number information in pictures 7A. Work clockwise from Pin 6. Make sure the wires have plenty of length and not be excessively tangled. NOTE: The previously blank space in the connector in position 3 (7a) will now be occupied by one of the wires due to the extra one created by separating the spliced wire. Note direction of connector in the picture. The open holes are shown and positioned pointing up. IF Installed on the unit, it is numbered from right to left, standing in front of the welder. Even though this connector is facing up, the order number is depicted correctly and should be counted from right to left as shown.PIN6 is inserted into connector slot 4 PIN5 is inserted into connector slot 6PIN4 is inserted into connector slot 5PIN3 is inserted into connector slot 3PIN7 is inserted into connector slot 78) After rewiring the connector, gently remove remove all the remaining white plug connectors first. Mark for easy reinstallation later if necessary. There are a total of 6 plastic standoffs that support circuit board. Remove the board by gently squeezing the spread "wings" of the connector and lifting the circuit board off the standoff pin. Do not jerk or flex the board. It will come off quickly and easily, but you must press in on the top on the wing like tabs so the board can be lifted off. Start with a corner, and work to each next pin. Do not jump around. Removing the next closest pin will aid in removal.9. Locate the 3rd pin from the right on the second male pin connector on the left side of the board. See pictures 11 and 12. This is the same as the one as the plug connector you just rewired.10. Locate the resistor in picture 12, marked as R50. You will be soldering a 5.6K 1/4 watt 5% resistor between this and the 3rd pin from the right. 11. Flip the board over, place it on a flat surface and secure it from rocking so it can be soldered.12. Note the position of the two items as depicted in pictures 13-15. Make sure that when you flip the board over, you are not confused by the order of the pins. Double check to make sure that you are on the correct pin and resistor point as shown.13. Solder in a resistor to the two points on the board to look as show in picture 16. Do not over solder this or allow solder to bridge between any traces or circuits. Do NOT use a torch, or an extremely high watt soldering iron that will overheat the board or the connections. Be sure to TIN the soldering iron before starting.14. Carefully reassemble, fully seating all the plugs. Make sure all of the metal connectors on the wires you removed are securely seated in the block after reinstalling the connector. Make sure the female pin you installed is making good contact with the male pin sticking up out of the board in its location. Attached Thumbnails                  Last edited by performance; 02-29-2012 at 10:12 PM.Markperformance@everlastwelders.comwww.everlastgenerators.comwww.everlastwelders.com877-755-9353 x204M-F 9am - 5pm ESTLast edited by crab fisherman; 04-23-2012 at 07:47 PM.Reason: This was quoted from Everlast forumMiller Dynasty 350Miller XMT 304
Reply:the best thing that could have happened to everlast is the WW board.   it is incredible the amount of page views the rants of the proles generates.  what i have noticed is that a lot of the poster's that rail against the imports are marginally competent in their fields.  i own a 250 ex that i purchased solely for aluminum;  it works great.   i had no problem communicating with their sales people; in fact they seem to be quite available.   their bigger problem seems to stem from purchases by beginners.   i also see evidence of that victim mentality that afflicts a lot of younger america today;   don't you enjoy those posts where the writer rags on because no one will contact them on a sunday evening; as though the employees are to be there 24/7 to serve them.    lol  get a grip.take a look at some of the posts in this thread and the ones down below;  imagine being the unfortunate sales person that sold to 'skull'.   it was a lucky day at everlast when he deccided to go used.    there are plenty like him out there too.   let miller have them, who needs that business.i would say in summation that the fact that everlast has been singled out to the extent that they have is more of a  reflection of their marketing success rather  than any indication of failure.i read, i buy or don't buy, and i live with the decision.
Reply:My PT200dx works great. Once I replaced all the crap that comes with it (as you must do with all chinese products) it's actually a pretty nice setup. The problem is the people not the product. It's pretty clear they only want your money, they don't seem to care about making the customer happy or having return customers, to me they acted like stubborn children. They were solely responsible for the issue and yet refused to even try and resolve it.   The board on my millermatic died and miller replaced it promptly and covered shipping both ways no questions asked.Last edited by MikeGyver; 04-23-2012 at 08:33 PM.Welding/Fab Pics: www.UtahWeld.com
Reply:I don't "Hate" Everlast per se...  I, like MANY of the members on this board have grown tired of all the nonsense and the marketing games, but setting that aside, I have no experience with equipment that is not Lincoln, Miller or Thermadyne. I have only worked in professional shops and the Everlast quality units have never made it onto the shop floor so far - At least not around here anyway.A few years ago when all the NEverlast/NEveready nonsense was in full swing and one of the vendors was on here defending his product, he PROMISED he was going to send a unit up to me to demo and then report back to the forum.I gave up checking the mailbox a LONG time ago.Someday when I have a pocket full of disposable income, and a fresh load of patience, I may give one of the alternative manufacturers a go, but until that time comes, I will stick with what I KNOW works.Later,Jason
Reply:Originally Posted by 225I promise you not everything in a Miller or Lincoln machine is American made.
Reply:Originally Posted by BradTNI think this is true.  The computer was invented in the US and now China is "king of the hill" in the computer/electronics manufacturing business.
Reply:I cannot answer the OP with any actual experience with Everlast equipment. I *WAS* interested in their equipment as a serious hobbiest as I believe that a lighter but well bit machine can work well if used properly. After reading many now deleted threads in the Everlast forum, I have become very wary at the unprofessional conduct of the Everlast sales/support members. The lightest built I would now consider would be Thermal Arc, Themal Dynamic and Hobart. I dont think Everlast meets the quality of this group. My first choice will be used Red, Blue or Silver (Hypertherm) going forward.Thermal Arc Fabricator 2101970 Lincoln RedfaceMiller 150 STLStill need a Syncrowave and a plasma and a milling machine and a lathe and a bigger shop and a....
Reply:Originally Posted by fdcmiamithe best thing that could have happened to everlast is the WW board.   it is incredible the amount of page views the rants of the proles generates.  what i have noticed is that a lot of the poster's that rail against the imports are marginally competent in their fields.  i own a 250 ex that i purchased solely for aluminum;  it works great.   i had no problem communicating with their sales people; in fact they seem to be quite available.   their bigger problem seems to stem from purchases by beginners.   i also see evidence of that victim mentality that afflicts a lot of younger america today;   don't you enjoy those posts where the writer rags on because no one will contact them on a sunday evening; as though the employees are to be there 24/7 to serve them.    lol  get a grip.take a look at some of the posts in this thread and the ones down below;  imagine being the unfortunate sales person that sold to 'skull'.   it was a lucky day at everlast when he deccided to go used.    there are plenty like him out there too.   let miller have them, who needs that business.i would say in summation that the fact that everlast has been singled out to the extent that they have is more of a  reflection of their marketing success rather  than any indication of failure.i read, i buy or don't buy, and i live with the decision.
Reply:I tell you what; *IF* Everlast was to be sold through reputable retailers at similar or marginally higher prices, then I might be inclined to try one knowing my warranty was going to be honoredThermal Arc Fabricator 2101970 Lincoln RedfaceMiller 150 STLStill need a Syncrowave and a plasma and a milling machine and a lathe and a bigger shop and a....When I buy a tool I expect stellar customer service and I refuse to reward companies who don't treat their customers well.  I vote with my wallet.
Reply:Originally Posted by morgaj1How do you respond to the fiasco that is crab fisherman's experience?
Reply:I have no experience with Everlast but I do have experience with the other import brand here on the forum. I bought the Longevity 160P about 5 years ago. Simon at Longevity was great to work with. I had an issue with the first one it was returned promptly with no issues in customer service. He contacted me and told me that they were waiting on an upgraded model that was about 3 weeks out and I had a choice of waiting on one of the upgraded models or getting a current model replacement. I waited on the new model and have used it since. I recently sold it along with my Miller 130xp to upgrade to a larger MIG (meets my needs better than have the AC/DC Tig/ Plasma). I purchased a Thermal Arc 181i. I want another plasma and will look into another Longevity for a plasma cutter. I agree that there is a certain amount of risk involved with buying an import but you also have to consider what you have available to spend. After some of the complaints I have heard about Everlast and their customer service I dont think they would rate very high on my list of brands for future purchase. Longevity (Simon) treated me very well.
Reply:Originally Posted by bhardy501I have no experience with Everlast but I do have experience with the other import brand here on the forum. I bought the Longevity 160P about 5 years ago. Simon at Longevity was great to work with. I had an issue with the first one it was returned promptly with no issues in customer service. He contacted me and told me that they were waiting on an upgraded model that was about 3 weeks out and I had a choice of waiting on one of the upgraded models or getting a current model replacement. I waited on the new model and have used it since. I recently sold it along with my Miller 130xp to upgrade to a larger MIG (meets my needs better than have the AC/DC Tig/ Plasma). I purchased a Thermal Arc 181i. I want another plasma and will look into another Longevity for a plasma cutter. I agree that there is a certain amount of risk involved with buying an import but you also have to consider what you have available to spend. After some of the complaints I have heard about Everlast and their customer service I dont think they would rate very high on my list of brands for future purchase. Longevity (Simon) treated me very well.
Reply:Originally Posted by crab fishermanI do not own any Everlast equipment, so I can't say anything good about them. But I can find lots of trouble with them from other owners that post about them. Maybe they will get through the growing pains and improve.-Ian
Reply:Originally Posted by bhardy501I have no experience with Everlast but I do have experience with the other import brand here on the forum. I bought the Longevity 160P about 5 years ago. Simon at Longevity was great to work with. I had an issue with the first one it was returned promptly with no issues in customer service. He contacted me and told me that they were waiting on an upgraded model that was about 3 weeks out and I had a choice of waiting on one of the upgraded models or getting a current model replacement. I waited on the new model and have used it since. I recently sold it along with my Miller 130xp to upgrade to a larger MIG (meets my needs better than have the AC/DC Tig/ Plasma). I purchased a Thermal Arc 181i. I want another plasma and will look into another Longevity for a plasma cutter. I agree that there is a certain amount of risk involved with buying an import but you also have to consider what you have available to spend. After some of the complaints I have heard about Everlast and their customer service I dont think they would rate very high on my list of brands for future purchase. Longevity (Simon) treated me very well.
Reply:my experience with everlast has been great . had one minor problem with foot control,customer service rep told me how to fix in about 2 seconds.you'll find  unhappy customers for most any company.miller thunderbolt 250vlincoln square wave tig 175 prolincoln idealarc mig sp250everlast tig 210EXTeverlast power plasma 50chicago electric (hf) 130 tig/90 arcchicago electric 90 amp flux wire3 sets oxy/acet
Reply:this is a thread from the EL board.   recognize this poster from the for sale section.what is the problem here.  the problem is he feels better being a victim. boo hoo.http://www.everlastgenerators.com/fo...ew-200DX/page2and how about  the caps clown shouting in this thread.   if everything was so freaking bad why did he take 20 days to answer the email from longevity.http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=106361you can look at the issue of imports on two levels.  for me, i research, then pay, then hope for the best.   i've owned and worked with miller equipment for 30 years and can name the repair guys that have been doing work in south florida for the past 20 years.   i can name them because i have had to bring equipment to them or had them come to me.that is just the way it goes.what bugs me is this new whiney class of worker that shows himself every day.  1.  if you are a worker being paid a wage your opinions about how other people spend their money are worthless.  i'll bet, in most cases, if the owner of the company  you work for asked you to cough up for your own work gloves you'd scream bloody murder.  the only way they'd get it out of you is to shake you by your ankles.2.  i'm always amazed that employees think that money for equipment grows on trees;  of course they think like this because they never have to buy anything with their own money which leaves them free to second guess and opine about what they perceive to be the bad choices made by the ones that do.3. of couse then there are the lemmings that feel to jump into an argument that they have no business in because, well because they just feel it is the righteous path because someone somewhere told them it is..Last edited by fdcmiami; 04-25-2012 at 11:28 PM.
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPI've had a PowerArc 200 for about 18-months now, love it. It will weld circles around my Dynasty on SMAW. It runs 6010 every bit as nice as my short hoods, and 7018 every bit as nice as my red face machines. But I paid less for the SA-200s.
Reply:Originally Posted by dubl_tDammit CEP, one day you're gonna have to introduce me to your avatar.  I hope she chews Copenhagen too......I dig chicks that chew K, now I'm gonna go back to staring at CEP's avatar
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPYou are probably not aware of the fact that is my granddaughter..
Reply:I was just kidding you. Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPI was just kidding you.
Reply:Why?           'cus!Lincoln Power MIG 215Lincoln WeldPak 3200HDLincon ProCut 25Lincoln WeldanPower 225 AC/DCIf all else fails... buy more tools
Reply:i have an everlast 250ex. the machine is actually a pretty sweet machine, cant run 6010 but it will run a 6011 no problem and tig is nice. every time i dealt wih customer service it was for simple stuff. the only issue i had was the HF arc gap was to big and it wasnt jumpin the gap correctly. the was fixed with a phone call and they hooked me up with a free torch and 50% off another with it. dont get me wrong there is definitely a difference between them and miller  but id say not by much. the big thing i dont like, is that they depend on you to fix the problem and do the work by following there instructions and no one locally will repair them. but other than that for the average person/ hobbiest small shop id say they are great but as it was said some people have issues with the sales teams and customer service. plus they really try to push there equipment on everyone which probably steers a lot of people away from themmiller bobcat 250 ntsouth bend metal latheClausing verticle millrikon 17" bandsaweverlast 250exharris oxyfuel set upspeedglass AD helmet with adflo power respirator.
Reply:Frankly, I find the "sales tactics" employed by welding supply shops pushing the more "traditional  american brand" products to be far more aggressive (and distasteful) than anything I've ever witnessed Everlast do online.I went in to a welding supply outfit near where I was working at the time, and simply asked them to special order me a high-amp CK Worldwide aircooled TIG torch that I had already researched, knew exactly what I wanted, and even brought the part number in with me.  But instead this "shop" ridicules me not having a watercooled TIG machine, and tries to push me on a new several-thousand dollar Miller Syncrowave with cooler setup that I didn't ask about (would have been a downgrade from my Everlast inverter welding aluminum, with its limited AC balance, and limited duty cycle, not to mention lack of features I have come to expect a TIG machine have anyway!)  Not to mention I would have had to rewire my electric service to even be able to use it.  But they don't ask any of those kind of "important" questions, or even apparently understand what the products are that they are pushing.I eventually got them to special order me that $150 TIG torch I came in there for... but they sure didn't make it easy.
Reply:Originally Posted by firedup198i have an everlast 250ex. the machine is actually a pretty sweet machine, cant run 6010 but it will run a 6011 no problem and tig is nice. every time i dealt wih customer service it was for simple stuff. the only issue i had was the HF arc gap was to big and it wasnt jumpin the gap correctly. the was fixed with a phone call and they hooked me up with a free torch and 50% off another with it. dont get me wrong there is definitely a difference between them and miller  but id say not by much. the big thing i dont like, is that they depend on you to fix the problem and do the work by following there instructions and no one locally will repair them. but other than that for the average person/ hobbiest small shop id say they are great but as it was said some people have issues with the sales teams and customer service. plus they really try to push there equipment on everyone which probably steers a lot of people away from them
Reply:Originally Posted by jakeruFrankly, I find the "sales tactics" employed by welding supply shops pushing the more "traditional  american brand" products to be far more aggressive (and distasteful) than anything I've ever witnessed Everlast do online.I went in to a welding supply outfit near where I was working at the time, and simply asked them to special order me a high-amp CK Worldwide aircooled TIG torch that I had already researched, knew exactly what I wanted, and even brought the part number in with me.  But instead this "shop" ridicules me not having a watercooled TIG machine, and tries to push me on a new several-thousand dollar Miller Syncrowave with cooler setup that I didn't ask about (would have been a downgrade from my Everlast inverter welding aluminum, with its limited AC balance, and limited duty cycle, not to mention lack of features I have come to expect a TIG machine have anyway!)  Not to mention I would have had to rewire my electric service to even be able to use it.  But they don't ask any of those kind of "important" questions, or even apparently understand what the products are that they are pushing.I eventually got them to special order me that $150 TIG torch I came in there for... but they sure didn't make it easy.
Reply:It's a power hungry transformer, that is huge and old technology. The arc stability is better than the synchro, especially at low amperages. It's a lot smoother running machine then the synchro, the only thing the synchro has is the cooler turns on automatically, the ex you gotta turn the cooler on when you turn the machine on.Last edited by astaindsoul5446; 04-27-2012 at 07:26 AM.Miller bobcat 225g  - spoolmatic 1Mm250 - 30a spoolMiller spectrum 375Thermal arc 95 Everlast Ex 250As the boiler turns, these are the days of our lives
Reply:This thread is a perfect example as to why Everlast is hated so much.  Too many people not knowing the facts.Had yall been here and witnessed the chaos, lies, deception, half truths, lies, manipulations, and did I mention lies?  It would have been so easy to direct you to the facts, but alas, they were deleted.  The editing of posts, the made up members who were eventually sniffed out, and all the other drama adds up to years of hard feelings.You see, it isn't with the machines.  The machines are simply machines.  The problem is with the company that falsly promoted themselves, took advantage of misfortunes of others, and covered it all up so newcomers like yourselves would never know the truth.
Reply:Scott,I couldn't of said it better myself.If I was writing a book on "How Not To Do Business", Neverlast/Nolongivity would be my "poster boys".PS.  We have those guys to thank for the loss of many of our truly experienced welders who threw in the towel when those companies tried to "take over the forum".  For example, ZT has already expressed his feelings.Last edited by SundownIII; 04-27-2012 at 12:42 PM.Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:Originally Posted by Fat BastardHi Oly or Oleg or what ever your name is this week. The machines suck. They are knock-offs, cheap ones at that. Made with inferior parts and workman. AND your customer service is $hit.
Reply:Originally Posted by 225I want to know why lots of guys on here hate Everlast machines. Most of them that I have read talking bad about them, never owned one. So IF you do actually own a Everlast, and hate it, tell me why. I don't wanna hear Miller is better because it's a miller. That's like saying Dodge is better than  Ford. Or a F-150 is better than a Tundra just because it's American made. I promise you not everything in a Miller or Lincoln machine is American made. So let's hear it.
Reply:Originally Posted by LlundbergI don't own an Everlast but I think there are two reasons:1. The tired old worn out sentiment that anything made in the US surely has to be better than anything made in China.2. Chinese welders in general are much cheaper and have enabled many privateers to do their own welding. Perhaps some of the pro's see that as a threat to their business? They want exotic stuff like aluminium welding to be something magic that only they can do?I don't own a chinese welder but I used to and it worked just fine. If I did I'd just ignore those idiots, if you're happy with your welder, good on yah. Those negative wankers can eat my sh1t.
Reply:Originally Posted by BlueweldersThe point of the Everlast hatred is hardly the machines,they are just machines.It is the people selling them,and their tactics, that make the Everlast hated.