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Welders & hobbies welding at home.  On work projects or hobbies at home.  How much more Electricity doe's your bill increase average.  In cost a month then normal. I would like to know. Thanks Weld 4 six-s Why do you put two cents in when its only a penny for your thoughts? Miller Thunderbolt AC/DC Millermatic 150
Reply:I doubt you could change the bill by $10.00  The current is high, but duratioin is short.  I pay $50.00 a month for my shop.  Lights on 5 or 6 days a week, welding, air compressor....DavidReal world weldin.  When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:I think it will depend a lot on which machines you use at home. Between my tig(inverter, 30A 240v) and my mig, I can use a bit of power, but not too bad. With plasma cutter, grinders, and all of it, I add about $30-45 a month to my bill when I am on a roll. But that is almost like me running a shop out of the garage. On average, I add about $20 to the bill.And then, after so much work...... you have it in your hand, and you look over to your side...... and the runner has run off. Leaving you holding the prize, wondering when the runner will return.
Reply:Originally Posted by Weld 4 SIX-SWelders & hobbies welding at home.  On work projects or hobbies at home.  How much more Electricity doe's your bill increase average.  In cost a month then normal. I would like to know. Thanks Weld 4 six-s
Reply:Like most say, just your presence in the shop/garage is going to cost you something. Most of us like lots of lights. Grinders and compressors, lights and such probably run the cost up more than actual arc time for a moderately sized mig or stick.Most people probably spend more on DVD rentals on a single weekend than you do in electrical and consumables.
Reply:Originally Posted by William McCormick Jr...MIG and Stick use much less energy, especially on thick stuff. Because they are using power not from the power supply. You are actually welding with the liquid diode created at the surface of the molten rod...
Reply:I've not found any electric bill charges to be significant due to the welding tha tI do but I'm not running a commercial shop. If your wife is the one asking, just tell her to stay out of the botiques with her credit card and that should take care of any electric over-usage in your shop. Miller Millermatic 252Miller Syncrowave 200Liincoln AC-DC 225Victor O-A Set
Reply:Uhhhh, Billy Mac   lives in his own world, there are no links.  Not in this world, anyway.  Does make for entertaining reading, though . . .
Reply:Originally Posted by David RI doubt you could change the bill by $10.00  The current is high, but duratioin is short.  I pay $50.00 a month for my shop.  Lights on 5 or 6 days a week, welding, air compressor....David
Reply:Glazed my eyes over. I love how he can predict the exact dollar amount you will have if you TIG alu. His crystal ball must be a good one.  Weld 4, like almost everyone else, I never see a significant rise in the juice bill. There will be longer idle times than high draw times for most home stuff. Idling machines don't use much juice either.  I wouldn't worry about it too much. Just make sparks and have a blast...just not a literal blast.
Reply:Originally Posted by calweldUhhhh, Billy Mac   lives in his own world, there are no links.  Not in this world, anyway.  Does make for entertaining reading, though . . .
Reply:Originally Posted by calweldUhhhh, Billy Mac   lives in his own world, there are no links.  Not in this world, anyway.  Does make for entertaining reading, though . . .
Reply:Think like this. Your machine draws 220 volts at 30 amps.  That is 6600 watts.  6.6 Kw. I pay about 15.5 cents per kilowatthour.  So it should cost you $1.02 to run your machine an hour at my electric rate.David  Real world weldin.  When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:If I am pulling 50amps at 220 volts, it is the same amount of power if I am welding(mig tig, stick, or atomic fart), using a compressor, or whatever. I think Billy Mac needs a new tinfoil hat.Disclaimer; "I am just an a$$hole welder, don't take it personally ."
Reply:Originally Posted by TozziWeldingIf I am pulling 50amps at 220 volts, it is the same amount of power if I am welding(mig tig, stick, or atomic fart), using a compressor, or whatever. I think Billy Mac needs a new tinfoil hat.
Reply:Thanks for all the input Why do you put two cents in when its only a penny for your thoughts? Miller Thunderbolt AC/DC Millermatic 150
Reply:By the time our 3 phase aircon bill comes the welding is not noticed.
Reply:Billy Mac's posts make for interesting reading, IF you like reading fiction.Took a little longer to read than the normal post.  After the first couple of lines, I had to go dig out the hip boots, so I could finish the post.Could someone translate for an old country boy?Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:I would have to say that when I first moved in to my place my power bill jumped in the first month ( when my tools where still packed) to the second month (tools out and in force). Mainly because of the wonderful power company that I have (Pacific Gas & Electric). My landlord said that they bill according to what they think the usage should be and bend us over if more power was used then they think. I don't know if this was true, but we did see a decrease since I bought a 25KW genset to power my large tools. I personally would rather give money to Chevron then PG&E.On Another note, if your power bill increased a lot, more then you think, call your utility and have them check your meter. If you initiate it, and the meter is off then they will pay you back for the over billing, but if they find the meter is off on their own, they you will never see the money again.
Reply:Originally Posted by tanky321Do you have a link or some type of information on this? Apparently the law's of physic's have been broken, and no one noticed.Power in=Power outMaybe im misreading or something, if so please provide a link etc.
Reply:Originally Posted by tanky321Do you have a link or some type of information on this? Apparently the law's of physic's have been broken, and no one noticed.Power in=Power outMaybe im misreading or something, if so please provide a link etc.
Reply:Originally Posted by TozziWeldingIf I am pulling 50amps at 220 volts, it is the same amount of power if I am welding(mig tig, stick, or atomic fart), using a compressor, or whatever. I think Billy Mac needs a new tinfoil hat.
Reply:Originally Posted by William McCormick JrThere is not to much around anymore about perpetual motion. They have even made it illegal in the United States through the patent office laws. Well, you can still make it, but you cannot patent it for sale. Ha-ha. What will happen next is, if there is no such thing as perpetual motion and the patent office says there is not. Then even if you have a very awesome device, you will not be able get it UL approved, because your claims of output power will require or rely on perpetual motion principles. You should not touch a welder without understanding ARC (Anode Rectified Cathode). Call it space rays, ether, power from the planet kryptonite but do under estimate it. It is a killer. Sincerely,William McCormick
Reply:Originally Posted by DDA52Lord have mercy...pass the advil.   Ok, for the sake of arguement and for that sake only.........IF and I do mean IF what you say is true, there would be people around the world developing that tech since the US patent office does not cross the ocean nor does it have any influence overseas. So, IF it exists....why has it not been developed? Hmmmmmm? Again, if what you say about the rays being a killer, how come welders, who know absolutely nothing about it, are not being killer with regularity...or at all for that matter. The law of averages alone dictates there should be some emperical evidence. There is a decided lack of supporting evidence, much less any reference material. And with all the references available, including supposedly secret ones, why in all the world wide web are the only references listed made by you and you alone??? You theories do not hold a drop of water here, nor on any of the other forums I have seen. Way too many holes.
Reply:Originally Posted by SundownIIII had to go dig out the hip boots, so I could finish the post.Could someone translate for an old country boy?I think we are way past the hip boots. At this time, we need a boat. Billy Mac, once again you have posted no supporting evidence or references. That is an extremely common theme with your rambling posts. The only references you post are your own, which cannot be considered of any value since you can't be the unbiased authority backing up your own arguement. It is very easy to do IF you have any info available. Too bad we will never see any.
Reply:Originally Posted by William McCormick JrI believe welders do suffer the second highest mortality rate of any field.
Reply:Originally Posted by William McCormick JrI believe welders do suffer the second highest mortality rate of any field. Many do know of what I am talking about. Some rather then agree with my terms. Will put it in other more confusing round about ways. Side stepping the truly hard facts.
Reply:wow this stuff is funny, the government must be cracking down hardcore, you dont even hear about any of this perpetual motion bull.
Reply:It wouldn't suprise me at all if the patent office passed a regulation against accepting applications for perpetual motion. They have wasted a hell of alot of time on crackpot inventions that have no chance of working in the past. This is an amusing thread. William may have potential as a sci-fi writer with an imagination like that.Miller EconotigCutmaster 38Yes ma'am, that IS a screwdriver in my pocket!
Reply:Unfortunately, Mr. McC is so often wrong (or not even wrong) that on the infrequent occasions that he is correct, no one believes it.
Reply:be careful guys, this post is being monitored by the CIA
Reply:It's ok. I am wearing my lead lined tinfoil hat. No chance they can read my mind or use their space rays one me. Kryptonite in the pocket helps too.
Reply:Originally Posted by DDA52It's ok. I am wearing my lead lined tinfoil hat. No chance they can read my mind or use their space rays one me. Kryptonite in the pocket helps too.
Reply:I'M sorry I just wanted to know what the average electric bill was. Not to make a problem with my thread.   Why do you put two cents in when its only a penny for your thoughts? Miller Thunderbolt AC/DC Millermatic 150
Reply:Originally Posted by Weld 4 SIX-SI'M sorry I just wanted to know what the average electric bill was. Not to make a problem with my thread.
Reply:Originally Posted by Joe HTake that hat off now, for your own safety! It has been found that the government has tricked people into wearing these. They have been touted to block mind control rays, but the truth is the Al beanies actually AMPLIFY these waves making it much easier for the gov. to control your mind.Here's a study done at MIT.http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
Reply:I'm baffled at the misinformation that seems to be floating around this site lately. How can people think that anyone would possibly take them seriously after posting stuff like that? What a waste of bandwidth.I give the regular members here their props though for putting up with it.Owner of Bushwacker Mobile WeldingPictures
Reply:Originally Posted by Coalsmoke How can people think that anyone would possibly take them seriously after posting stuff like that?
Reply:Originally Posted by ZTFabAs far as I'm concerned there has only been one problem with this thread. Unvalidated information.Some of the responses in this thread are a little hard to swallow and some of the responses in this thread would probably make H.G Wells proud. Without verification of facts, they are not to be believed and seem to do nothing more than confuse and frustrate people.As long as the discussion stays on topic and doesn't come to personal attacks, I see nothing else wrong.I hope, amongst all of the "perpetual motion" and "liquid diode" theories, that your original question has been answered.- Paul
Reply:Originally Posted by William McCormick JrFrustration is not an option when it comes to understanding electricity... ...Well, if your DC power supply is flowing electrons, to the ARC rod, which you can verify by all sorts of common information. It is not coming from the power supply, that is going the other way to the rod from the work piece. There is only one explanation, you create a liquid diode at the surface of the rod... That cannot be power from the power supply it is DC current, one direction only. Sincerely,William McCormick
Reply:It just never stops, does it?
Reply:Originally Posted by William McCormick JrFrustration is not an option when it comes to understanding electricity. You get over your frustrations with knowledge. You ARC weld right?  Well, if your DC power supply is flowing electrons, to the ARC rod, which you can verify by all sorts of common information. Then tell me what is the energy, the rays, coming from the rod, and melting the work piece? And where is it coming from?It is not coming from the power supply, that is going the other way to the rod from the work piece. There is only one explanation, you create a liquid diode at the surface of the rod, and that beams electrons back to the work piece. Against the power supply.That cannot be power from the power supply it is DC current, one direction only. That is why you can weld heavy stuff with an ARC rod that you cannot weld with TIG, at a similar amperage. When I learned MIG it was called, Molten electrode, Inert, Gas welding. For this reason. Then they just had to go and change it, to Metal Inert Gas. Which to someone new could mean tungsten. Just like they changed Straight polarity, to DCEN and Reverse polarity to DCEP. And then some companies did away with the (+) and the (-) symbols. It keeps things exciting I guess. Ha-ha. Sincerely,William McCormick
Reply:What happened to Mr.Ohm's law? Molten inert gas welding? Never heard of that one. Liquid diode? Not recently or even in the near future, I suspect. DC current only flowing one way? I don't think so. Yawn............   Miller Millermatic 252Miller Syncrowave 200Liincoln AC-DC 225Victor O-A Set
Reply:How much does it cost for the electricity?Take volts x amps = power (in watts).  Multiply power x time = energy (in kw-hr).  Then multiply energy x energy cost ($/kw-hr) = cost to run machine for that amount of time.Example.  Your electricity costs $0.15/kw-hr (avg and assumed cost, YMMV).  The cost to run a 100W light bulb is 100W x 1 hr x 1 kw/1000W (units correction factor) x $0.15/kw-hr = $0.015/hr. Or $0.36 per 24 hr day. Or $10.8 per 30 days if left on 24/7.A device (doesn't matter if it is a lathe, or a grinder, or compressor, or a cappuccino machine, or welder of any type) that draws 30 amps at 240V will cost:240V x 30A x 1 kw/1000W (units correction factor again) x 1hr x $0.15/kw-hr = $1.08/hr to run.The cost for the shielding gas for a MIG unit will run more than that typically.  Somewhere around $8/hr for C25 at about a 20 ft3/hr flow rate (refill cost on an 80 ft3 tank about $32, so at a flow rate of 20 ft3/hr you  get about 4 hrs of gas from that 80 ft3 tank.  $32/4 hrs = $8/hr for the gas.  Not counting the cost of the tank itself.)  YMMV again.Then you would have the cost of the wire or sticks or filler rod for welding.  And the grinding wheels or flap disks.  And some cleaner/solvent for prep and finishing.  And some paint or other finish maybe.  Etc, etc, etc.So, yes the electricity costs something, and it does add up over time.  But it is usually not the biggest cost involved in welding..
Reply:Originally Posted by MoonRise240V x 30A x 1 kw/1000W (units correction factor again) x 1hr x $0.15/kw-hr = $1.08/hr to run.
Reply:Electric bill, whats that I run engine drives that cost 2.73 a gallon, LOL.Disclaimer; "I am just an a$$hole welder, don't take it personally ."
Reply:Yup, you did David.   But -my- example machine had 7200W and your's was only 6600W.    Of course if you have one of Billy Mac's perpetual motion energy-generating liquid diode flux-capacitor flux-inductor gizmos, you can weld for free.
Reply:I have to say I noticed my electric bill went down a good bit after I converted to inverter.Also, if you use your equiptment and appliances(washer/dryer after 9pm it can also save you a few bucks. I burn the mid nite oil often but limited to making noise.THE OLDER I GET! THE  SMARTER MY DAD WAS!Thermal Arc 185 inverter Tig welderABITIG 26  tig torchLotus foot pedalLincoln 225 stick welderClark 185SG Mig spoolgunwelderVictor torch/regulatorsHF36" shear,bender,roller.
Reply:old thread, i'll reply to it only because my dad brought up the electric bill when he saw me welding last time he came to visit.only me and the wife live at our house, with two dogs.  we both work and the dogs dont know how to turn on electric appliances (or do they?) mostly i weld after 8pm til 3 or 4am.  Well, cutting, grinding and not so much welding.  the only days i weld during the day is on weekends.  I have not seen my electric bill go past 26 dollars a month.I run the AC when i'm hot, computer is usually on 24/7... maybe my meter reader is on drugs, i dunno