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OK This is my opinion on Chinese Inverter Welding Equipment.First off I made a comment on another thread which someone has hit the delete key, must have been trying to find the any key! Thought there was such a thing as freedom of speech guess I was wrong.Dont really know yet whether this post/thread will be accidentally deleted !!I have visited Manufacturers/ Importers premises over here and all there equipment is on pallet racking, they have already been tested from the factory with tested tags on them, there testing facilities are very sophisticated.I have had many inverters in my shop, red, blue, yellow whatever.Many of them have had blown IGBTs, Mosfets probably not matched or under ratedI believe that some manufacturers do not put high enough rated components in there equipment.When I do a replacement of say a board under warranty it may say revised version 5 with a list of what they have changed, mostly it is upgraded components, or a diode or two added. Now doing these mods to there PCBs is great, at least they are getting feedback from failed components and doing something about it! Some engineer can design these bits and pieces and test them on a bench and loadbank in a controlled environment, temperature, dust, moisture, etc. But the proof comes when a person buys the machine and actually uses it under many different circumstances. One person may be an expert with the setup and use of the machine but may treat it like sh1t in the back of his truck, running them off a dodgy generator, allowing them to get wet, rain etc. Could go on but you get the drift about experts (Some)Then you have the guy that treats his like a baby in his shed, but he really does not know about the welding side of things, gets his stick stuck to the job or the tungsten, mig wire, effectively shorting it out, yes there are some machines that have circuitry built in to help with these situations but it still happens.I had a guy bring his Mig in with shot diodes, replaced them, he came back a month later claiming they were dodgy. I inspected the Mig gun and the tip holder and tip were blown away, he had shorted them to the job which in turn took out the diodes, assume that is what happened to the first lot. He learnt a costly lesson.Then you have Migs, which some people when they have a problem with the feed they screw down the wire tension and yes it welds better, little do they realize that they are overloading the motor which can take out the control boardThe operators that I am referring to should take more care with there equipment, and also READ the manual, yes I know that some manuals are very sketchy when it comes to information.Inverters are great for there intended use which is to be light weight, less physical size, etc. But personally give me a good old bulky, large transformer, solid rectifier, simple circuitry, heavy duty components inside and out any day.Who actually uses all the bells and whistles on a machine so equipped? Not many I would bet. If a person can actually weld then he does not need all the extras!!!I may have gone off the track a bit so to get back on track the problem with most Chinese welders are that the components are mostly of inferior quality, IGBTs and mosfets are not matched when installing them. When I replace these I make sure that they are matched and always replace the lot.Where do you get parts or any technical information, or a simple circuit!!!!The way that some are put together, my 10 year old could do a better jobI guess if you pay peanuts you get monkeys!!!!Most Chinese welders do not appear to have any ongoing support, such as backup service, somewhere to take it for warranty issues, try ringing someone to answer a question etcWhereas the better brands have service guys all over the place, can get parts easily, can ring any office and get answers to questions there and then. You can ring a Rep and he will come and visit you to discuss any issues that you may have.I am saying that it is a lot of things that make a good product, reliability, function, versatility, service,etcBut the last thing should be price!!!We have Chinese equipment over here that I sell and service as well as a lot of other people, but the difference is some of it has a 3 year warranty and there are local service agents to take them to, should they have a problem, they can ring the importer and get answers. They are very professional. I have confidence selling there product and they are Chinese made. Probably the difference is that the importers actually go to China and specify exactly what they want and it is overseen by an engineer not some person that has been promoted to Quality Control Expert and gets an extra 10 cents an hour. If someone comes in to my shop and says bought this on Ebay I say sorry I cant help you. As it would probably cost more for me to fix it than to buy another one off Ebay.So there is Chinese and there is ChineseIn short there are a lot of factors In the failure of some equipment!Would I buy one for my own use? Not likely! Maybe if they got it all together?I have a lot more input to this but I will wait and see what happens, probably a lot of flak, but eh I am thick skinned and can give it back!Cheers
Reply:I see a lot of what appear as anti-chinese sentiments getting deleted on welding boards... These complaints are legitimate, its not anti-chinese, its anti-crappy product.its not that "Made in China" is bad... its just that, its taking a chance. I don't see anything wrong with your post, it shouldn't be deleted/censored. I'm Chinese, and I'm not offended at all. A couple of points need to be cleared up:1. a lot of manufacture plants in china makes products for cheaper, and that's the point: CHEAPER.2. they can built great stuff (the great wall has stood for quite a while now... and who doesn't like chinese food?)When they know when they're making a low end product, and they tend to not care, and not take pride in their work. Yes, it would be great to take pride in one's work, but when you are hungry, you want to eat... pride takes a back burner. one of the popular business models is, if you sell 1,000 low quality welders at $99.95 while making $10 each, profit = $10,000. if you only sell 50 high quality welders, at $500, while making $50 each, profit is only $2500... So, if you were hungry, which would you choose? Let's look at chinese calligraphy, the folks that make great calligraphy sells them for major $$. Real ink, written with real calligraphy pen, on high quality paper. and the craft takes so long to perfect a lot of these calligraphers are old, gray, wrinkled with hunch backs. yeah, they can make quality stuff. 50 hand made calligraphy isn't going to feed your family though. 2 million sheets of mass produced (ink-jet-printed) hand-made-look-a-like, for 25 cents each... that will feed your family though. you can't really blame the chinese for doing these low budget products, they're being PAID to make these low budget products. unfortunately, a lot of these people doing the telling aren't chinese companies.Now for something I'm more familiar with (i'm only a n00b welder) motorcycles. when Honda first came to Taiwan, they were the dependable as rocks. Honda set a plant in Taiwan... and it was a disaster. Taiwanese made honda's were junk. I know, because my family had a few. Eventually, standards were raised, the workers' lives stabilized and they began to take pride in their work. Their supervisors began to instill the concept of "quality" and the workers understood. now-a-days, taiwanese made honda is indistinguishable from japanese made hondas.funny, both honda's have same quality...... and same cost.Last edited by oxy moron; 03-16-2009 at 03:14 AM.
Reply:Originally Posted by oxy moronI see a lot of what appear as anti-chinese sentiments getting deleted on welding boards... These complaints are legitimate, its not anti-chinese, its anti-crappy product.its not that "Made in China" is bad... its just that, its taking a chance. I don't see anything wrong with your post, it shouldn't be deleted/censored. I'm Chinese, and I'm not offended at all. A couple of points need to be cleared up:1. a lot of manufacture plants in china makes products for cheaper, and that's the point: CHEAPER.2. they can built great stuff (the great wall has stood for quite a while now... and who doesn't like chinese food?)When they know when they're making a low end product, and they tend to not care, and not take pride in their work. Yes, it would be great to take pride in one's work, but when you are hungry, you want to eat... pride takes a back burner. one of the popular business models is, if you sell 1,000 low quality welders at $99.95 while making $10 each, profit = $10,000. if you only sell 50 high quality welders, at $500, while making $50 each, profit is only $2500... So, if you were hungry, which would you choose? Let's look at chinese calligraphy, the folks that make great calligraphy sells them for major $$. Real ink, written with real calligraphy pen, on high quality paper. and the craft takes so long to perfect a lot of these calligraphers are old, gray, wrinkled with hunch backs. yeah, they can make quality stuff. 50 hand made calligraphy isn't going to feed your family though. 2 million sheets of mass produced (ink-jet-printed) hand-made-look-a-like, for 25 cents each... that will feed your family though. you can't really blame the chinese for doing these low budget products, they're being PAID to make these low budget products. unfortunately, a lot of these people doing the telling aren't chinese companies.Now for something I'm more familiar with (i'm only a n00b welder) motorcycles. when Honda first came to Taiwan, they were the dependable as rocks. Honda set a plant in Taiwan... and it was a disaster. Taiwanese made honda's were junk. I know, because my family had a few. Eventually, standards were raised, the workers' lives stabilized and they began to take pride in their work. Their supervisors began to instill the concept of "quality" and the workers understood. now-a-days, taiwanese made honda is indistinguishable from japanese made hondas.funny, both honda's have same quality...... and same cost.
Reply:Originally Posted by Billy......Any new product has to start with "Quality" The labor costs are cheap so why not spend a little extra for quality components...Cheers
Reply:$$That is why they are what they are.Consumers are buying the Low Quality products so why in the world would the Manufacturer spend another dime?Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:I'm going to be totally cynical here, but...how many of the parts inside those "made in the usa" welders are actually made in China?(note, we don't sell welding machines, so I'm not making any specific claims here, but we do live and work in a global economy and I have seen maquilladora plants down in Mexico that make all kinds of things with American brand names put on them)-----------------------Carmen Electrodewww.CarmenElectrode.comand the boss blogs at www.JoeWelder.comall powered by www.Arc-Zone.com
Reply:There is a market for high end and a market for low end stuff..if there was no demand china wouldnt make the stuff, it has its place as long as you know what ur buying,if your stupid enough to think that harbor freight mig is any where the quality of a miller or lincoln then your the fool, but if you are only playing around and tinkering then its a great deal and that goeson for many different products, but I can tell you that the quote , American made products , quality is falling fast and service is getting worse..
Reply:I think they're making inferior products for the low end market because there are people buying them. Just like the super top end, exotic markets such as Bentley, Ferrari, Zonda... who really needs those things? I'm not sure if brand new Ferrari can stack up on reliability with Honda sedan. but there's a market for these exotics.there is definitely a market for cheap welders, that's why they exist. There's no market for Hummers, not anymore, so Hummer is gone!they can put out quality products/components, as we know, there's at least one component in "Made in USA" welders.I just hope their business model change like all the other nations: Japan, Taiwan, Korea... etc.remember the days when "Made in Japan" means Dime Store (i.e. 99cent store of today). Now Made in Japan is synonymous with reliability. The same goes for Made in Taiwan... they used to be cheap cloth, cheap electronics, now they're descent enough where "Made in taiwan" isn't an issue anymore. remember the days where Samsung was the "knock off"? now their cellphones rank right up there. The people didn't change. The business model did.a little bit more insight: even people in China don't like to buy "made in china" because they are also aware of the quality or lack thereof (even for basic hand tools such as a screw driver.) "Made in USA" fetches a premium... but they can't afford it, so they have to buy the chinese stuff. As their standard of living change, they will demand higher quality from their own factory down the street
Reply:I dont have a problem making a low buck machine, thats their right, and if someone buys it, good for them.However I have 2 very large problems with business ethics both in china and the USA.1-Lower quality goods being sold as equal to higher end, by people not qualified to make those claims ( read "importers"). 2-Corporate espionage of china companies stealing designs and such, and then copying and selling a similiar looking product at a lot lower price tag. ( knock offs, clones ). I really dont think its fair for one company to put all the effort, engineering, development, and money into a product, only to have a china company steal the design and undersell the original company.
Reply:Yes but they are making fairly good products, I see them over here with 3 year warranty and I dont see many in my shop for a warranty repair, If I do it is usually an operator fault.They are still very cheap. So why cant the rest of them do the same?Every major manufacturer has some sort of plant in china these days, with there brand on it.But the difference is that the Manufacturer calls the shots and strives to make sure that there branded "made in china" is built to a quality standard yet they are still very cheap, granted not as good as a genuine red or blue but it suits the lower end of the market.It can be doneCheers
Reply:blame it on the delegated quality control rep and the middle man that spec the product for his local need... the rest is just customer satisfaction excluding the end buyer...........Unit in my fab shop dept:my good hand and team that trust me...A lone welder make art... a village full of welder make Miracles...
Reply:Billy,I am new here and am looking at a realgear MIG 140 from my local GTS Welco store. It has a 1 year warranty. I am aware that you get what you pay for, but I need this welder to complete a car restoration consisting of welding in a trunk floor, quarters, etc... 20 ga to 14 ga. automotive sheetmetal. I am trying to do this restore on a budget. Do you have any feedback about this particular welder?Thanks.
Reply:Just went into my lws today. On the Victor torch box.... Made from parts from USA,Mexico and China. Now, anyone going to put the smackdown on Victor?Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:Originally Posted by lugweldJust went into my lws today. On the Victor torch box.... Made from parts from USA,Mexico and China. Now, anyone going to put the smackdown on Victor?
Reply:When you buy a Lincoln or Miller welder it is not just the machine you are buying, it is years of developement work,testing,repairing, and getting feedback from industry in many environments for many years.Also there is a network of welding stores that can give you technical information and expert set up advice.Many times the welding stores know and have relationships with many businesses that specialize in different areas of welding and the store has access to get that info.When you buy a welding machine from a big box store on a 110 wire feed welding machine make sure you check the duty rating. Some of the machines do not have the same duty rating as machines sold in welding stores.The average big box store employee may know NOTHING about welding but can give damaging incorrect advice.AWS certified welding inspectorAWS certified welder
Reply:Originally Posted by chrisd6875Billy,I am new here and am looking at a realgear MIG 140 from my local GTS Welco store. It has a 1 year warranty. I am aware that you get what you pay for, but I need this welder to complete a car restoration consisting of welding in a trunk floor, quarters, etc... 20 ga to 14 ga. automotive sheetmetal. I am trying to do this restore on a budget. Do you have any feedback about this particular welder?Thanks.
Reply:Just to dd to my previous post if you are on a budget and you cant afford a higher end machine then go for one that has the longest warranty that you can get and a guarantee from your LWS that you can get immediate service. I would not buy one off ebay or similar under any circumstances!CheersBilly
Reply:Thanks for your response. My local welding store has been around for some time. Can't say that I trust them cause I don't know them, but they are attentive when I walk into the store and always ready to help.I will see if they can sell me an extended warranty.Chris.
Reply:Oh yeah, also wanted to add that the guy at this store said these RealGear Welders are Lincoln knock-offs with the internal parts being the same as the Lincoln and it uses Lincoln accessories like tips, etc..The reason they only offer a 1 year warranty is because of the hugh price difference...makes sense to me, but what do I know about welders??Thanks again for your help.
Reply:I'm a bit late, but I would like to give some facts from a non American to enlighten the American ...Chinese can make good products, but there is a strong demand by "importers" who doesn't care about quality and the chinese need to work. The same happened with the Japanese and the Corean a few years ago...I'll give you some facts. A Mexican welder, owning a small shop wants to improve the quality and searchs a small Mig: a 140 Amps for example, with a spool gun.He can ask at best 20 USD an hour.Add to the following prices a sales tax of 15% plus a shipping around 100 USD.He asks Lincoln Mexico; the small MIG welders are not imported...He asks an independent importer: the 140T costs 1002 USD, the spool gun 351 USD. Total 1453 USD plus sales tax.Warranty none forget it. Lincoln Mexico won´t be of any help.He tries Miller. By Miller Mexico the Millermatic 140 plus the spool gun costs 1204 USD. No shipping cost. Warranty formally one year; in real life almost none.He tries Infra (mexican brand), after 3 weeks he gets a price on the MM175XL 1114 USD. No spool gun. Impossible to weld aluminum the feed rate is too low; 320 IPM. Morality, he renounces.Myself I'm going to import a RealGear 140, looks nice for 330 USD if I can adapt a Miller Spool gun and if GTS Welco accepts a payment by bank tranfert. Unless you are very rich it's impossible (and costly) to have an international credit card, and Paypal in Mexico is a pain.Total price of the welder after importation (includes sales tax) around 500 bucks. With a Lincoln spool gun around 750 USD. I almost forgot it's a "simplified" importation: I CAN'T DEDUCE IT as cost of my small shop. Nope. So add to the cost of importation the tax cost when you'll declare the benefits; 28 % of income tax, because you couldn't deduce it.To have a deducible importation I have to use the services of an official importer; minimal cost 250 USD plus sales tax.Who would pay in the States a 140T welder with a spool gun 1453 USD with no warranty?Nice situation isn't?
Reply:They don't go in for repair because the distributor tells them what its gonna cost ballpark or friend at em...told ya so. and they take it to the pasture and yup.That's what I believe. I've tried to get NTE,ECG and such replacements for an import and nobody could help with those made for production part # so name brand it was from there on Lincoln 225 Tombstone,Miller Big 20,Hobart 180,150' Argon,A/D hobart hood 22 Ton Log splitter,79 F350 dump eats 4.75 TONS and still turns cutters,grinders,And a Hypertherm POWERMAX 30
Reply:The American companies installed in Mexico don't give a **** about the small customers. You can forget all about warranty. They won't risk a sue so... They won't never help you as I have too many examples.One example: I bought a DeWalt 4" grinder (the model with thermal protection industrial line) price 110 USD. American branded but chinese (not an issue for me) made, amking the price obscene. Theoretically with one year warranty and tutti quanti. After 3 days of normal use it caught fire, in a complete short circuit. Happily I have a good electric circuit and the breaker did its job.DeWalt Mexico said nuts for the warranty. I'm french, and froggies are big mouths, plus I'm a retired navy officer and naval engineer so I have enough education to judge about a grinder, it's a bit simpler than the electric system of a destroyer.After a very hard discussion, my big captain's voice won the contest and the grinder was finally opened in my presence at the DeWalt center service: it appeared that the shaft of the rotor had broken (defect in the steel) thus putting in contact the rotor and the stator, and burnt before the thermal protection reacted. After a second hard discussion I was refund. I made all that for the principle not for the money; if you offer a warranty, respect it. I won't never buy De Walt.Morality I buy now Urrea (mexican brand) which sells a similar chinese grinder for 35 USD and the warranty works fine.I won't speak too much about a Millermatic 140 sold by Miller Mexico (a subsidiary of Miller USA) which was visibly a refurbished american unit, sold in Mexico as new. It never worked correctly and Miller Mexico never did something. Happily for the owner, friend of mine, I could repair it with the help of an electronician, it works fine now.Conclusion in Mexico it's not worth to pay the name...
Reply:Originally Posted by BillyYes but they are making fairly good products, I see them over here with 3 year warranty and I dont see many in my shop for a warranty repair, If I do it is usually an operator fault.They are still very cheap. So why cant the rest of them do the same?Every major manufacturer has some sort of plant in china these days, with there brand on it.But the difference is that the Manufacturer calls the shots and strives to make sure that there branded "made in china" is built to a quality standard yet they are still very cheap, granted not as good as a genuine red or blue but it suits the lower end of the market.It can be doneCheers
Reply:Originally Posted by BillyJust to dd to my previous post if you are on a budget and you cant afford a higher end machine then go for one that has the longest warranty that you can get and a guarantee from your LWS that you can get immediate service. I would not buy one off ebay or similar under any circumstances!CheersBilly
Reply:Originally Posted by wrenchitBilly I have to say that I both agree and disagree. A home hobby guy might use his machine 2 times a month and go for a few years before any problem. The big boys warranty is owned time also. Yes the LWS will cut you some slack, But most LWS send their repairs to the big boys warranty place, if its out of warranty get the check book out., they don't do it in house. If the machine is bad. its bad and not using much it is not a help. On the other side of the coin is your LWS will do what he can to help you get through your problems if you bought it through them .Originally Posted by lugweldJust went into my lws today. On the Victor torch box.... Made from parts from USA,Mexico and China. Now, anyone going to put the smackdown on Victor?
Reply:Scub,I like my Smith, except for the fact that the cottonpickin' mix valve is on the bottom, right where I can accidentally put my hand in the flame. Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:Funnily enough, just last night one of the boy's turned up for a beer and a kai. In the back of his ute was a brand new chinese made machine. $700AUD, no doubt he had some fat in it for himself which is fine. The kicker though, spare boards for $20AUD, not the $1000 plus that red and blue charge which really...................... me off. How can they say that's what there worth when we all know different?Now these Italian machines getting around just don't cut the mustard, blowing boards at a G a shot among other problems, so why not go the cheap way? THe boy's have had this thing out and put it to work, still going. Next step is to really thrash one as hard and as long as we can which will be happening soon.I'd rather be hunting........USE ENOUGH HEAT.......Drifting around Aussie welding more pipe up, for something different.....wanting to get home.
Reply:Originally Posted by wirehuntFunnily enough, just last night one of the boy's turned up for a beer and a kai. In the back of his ute was a brand new chinese made machine. $700AUD, no doubt he had some fat in it for himself which is fine. The kicker though, spare boards for $20AUD, not the $1000 plus that red and blue charge which really...................... me off. How can they say that's what there worth when we all know different?Now these Italian machines getting around just don't cut the mustard, blowing boards at a G a shot among other problems, so why not go the cheap way? THe boy's have had this thing out and put it to work, still going. Next step is to really thrash one as hard and as long as we can which will be happening soon.
Reply:If low cost labor is the root of poor quality, then the higher the Labor Cost equates to correspondingly higher quality, right? If the American autoworker's labor cost was higher than, say the Japanese worker's, then the quality of the product is higher, right?...'just want to make sure I'm understanding the thinking here, because it does not agree with my observations. Perhaps there are other variables..??"Good Enough Never Is"MIller AC/DC ThunderboltHobart HH180, 125EZRiland Cut 40 Plasma oxy/act outfitTons of "stuff", all treasures to me!
Reply:Originally Posted by BillyWhere do you get the Boards from for $20?Cheers
Reply:Originally Posted by BillyOK This is my opinion on Chinese Inverter Welding Equipment.First off I made a comment on another thread which someone has hit the “delete” key, must have been trying to find the “any” key! Thought there was such a thing as “freedom of speech” guess I was wrong.>>>>That was ground off as excess carbon by the media and people with dual citizenship.Then you have Mig’s, which some people when they have a problem with the feed they screw down the wire tension and yes it welds better, little do they realize that they are overloading the motor which can take out the control board>>>> This sounds like my problem. I own a Miller AC/DC stick 500 new in the late 90's and bought this last summer for 79 dollars.. QA hobo frt.. 94056 "MAG" or wire emitting as feed seems to be the wrong word. I got this just to get used to one before I get a Miller. I might have set the tension too high after my 4th spool change and it was working fine last night and this morning I plugged it in and it no longer worked. This sounds like my problem. If the unit still "welds" and power is on is that a motor or control board error as stated in text above. I also would like for anyone to send me a link to a replacement motor and the cooling fan for faster duty cycle if possible. I don't really like this thing but the prive was right and the weight is minimal.Any help would be great - ChrisCheers
Reply:Originally Posted by eyspyYou hit the nail on the head ! Their labour is so cheap, their products "should", be built far better than anything they are competing with. If they had a top shelf product, they could sell it 25 % - 50 % cheaper than their competitors and still make a huge profit.If it is a good product, people will buy it, no matter the country of origin.
Reply:Not welding related but tied to the importation of Chinese goods.Anybody want to buy some Chinese sheetrock.Cheap. $3-$4 per sheet compared to US produced at $10/sheet.Guaranteed to destroy all the copper wiring in your house in less than 10 years, due to the emissions of sulfer in the base material. Thousands of Americans now own homes which are unsafe to live in due to the use of Chinese sheetrock. (Do a google search if you don't believe me)Poison in toothpaste.Lead in children's toys.Contaminated human and animal foods.No morals. No human rights. Cheap labor. Greed.When the he11 are we going to figure out we're selling America's future.Free Market Trade is bullsh1t. If the US had the import tariffs that other countries we're buying from did, we wouldn't have all this cheap crap flooding our shores.Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:Tooth paste is/was already a poisonRead the packaging-Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:Sundown...When was the last time the Chinese sold tainted peanut butter? Was Bernie Madoff from China? Did China cause the bankrupcy of Chrysler? Is China alone in debating on whether or not to publish torture pictures? As far as basic morals go...C'mon....Really?Gypsum...The primary component in sheet rock is...ready for it? Calcium sulfate. That's what it is made of ...Chicom or US.Sure no one in their right mind would think that China is a shining perfect star. However, as the school age proverb says....When you point a finger, you have three pointing back.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:I got sick of adding floride to my homemade toothpaste so I started using all the metal shavings from my chop saw suey.. Will somebody help me not be stupid? I just got my miller thunderbolt and darn near melted everything in sight! So I turned it down and those moist rods felt so good and sticky....Help needed with this... I just need a fraaken motor I think?OK This is my opinion on Chinese Inverter Welding Equipment.First off I made a comment on another thread which someone has hit the “delete” key, must have been trying to find the “any” key! Thought there was such a thing as “freedom of speech” guess I was wrong.>>>>That was ground off as excess carbon by the media and people with dual citizenship.Then you have Mig’s, which some people when they have a problem with the feed they screw down the wire tension and yes it welds better, little do they realize that they are overloading the motor which can take out the control board>>>> This sounds like my problem. I own a Miller AC/DC stick 500 new in the late 90's and bought this last summer for 79 dollars.. QA hobo frt.. 94056 "MAG" or wire emitting as feed seems to be the wrong word. I got this just to get used to one before I get a Miller. I might have set the tension too high after my 4th spool change and it was working fine last night and this morning I plugged it in and it no longer worked. This sounds like my problem. If the unit still "welds" and power is on is that a motor or control board error as stated in text above. I also would like for anyone to send me a link to a replacement motor and the cooling fan for faster duty cycle if possible. I don't really like this thing but the prive was right and the weight is minimal.Any help would be great - Chris
Reply:Liberty,Sorry, man, but I can't make heads or tails of your one way conversation...Its kinda like reading a combination of Ozzie and Bob Dylan sitting in a retirement home dictating their memoirs. What I can make out is barely tangeantal to the topic.Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:Originally Posted by Liberty_bellI got sick of adding floride to my homemade toothpaste so I started using all the metal shavings from my chop saw suey.. Will somebody help me not be stupid? I just got my miller thunderbolt and darn near melted everything in sight! So I turned it down and those moist rods felt so good and sticky....Help needed with this... I just need a fraaken motor I think?OK This is my opinion on Chinese Inverter Welding Equipment.First off I made a comment on another thread which someone has hit the delete key, must have been trying to find the any key! Thought there was such a thing as freedom of speech guess I was wrong.>>>>That was ground off as excess carbon by the media and people with dual citizenship.Then you have Migs, which some people when they have a problem with the feed they screw down the wire tension and yes it welds better, little do they realize that they are overloading the motor which can take out the control board>>>> This sounds like my problem. I own a Miller AC/DC stick 500 new in the late 90's and bought this last summer for 79 dollars.. QA hobo frt.. 94056 "MAG" or wire emitting as feed seems to be the wrong word. I got this just to get used to one before I get a Miller. I might have set the tension too high after my 4th spool change and it was working fine last night and this morning I plugged it in and it no longer worked. This sounds like my problem. If the unit still "welds" and power is on is that a motor or control board error as stated in text above. I also would like for anyone to send me a link to a replacement motor and the cooling fan for faster duty cycle if possible. I don't really like this thing but the prive was right and the weight is minimal.Any help would be great - Chris
Reply:Originally Posted by BillyAre you related to William McCormick ?
Reply:Hulk need hobo f*rt.. (harbor freight) model # 94056 flux wire feed motor replacement as Hulk's wire feed motor no longer turns on when trigger is depressed. Hulk needs link to new motor or Hulk smash puny blue thing.Thanks - Bruce
Reply:Here is a bit of a report from someone who is actually using one of these Chinese welders, not just talking about them.I'm running one of these little Everlast multi function units pretty steady, it will be interesting to see how it holds up. So far it is an absolute treat to use. The TIG arc is so easy to control that it is almost a joke. I find myself tigging most everything together. I haven't tried it on wood yet!At first I reported that the TIG function was similar to using my friend's Lincoln 185. Now I have spent a couple of hundred hours doing tig I went back and used the Lincoln. Plain and simple, the Lincoln is not as nice to use. Perhaps a Lincoln inverter type might be more like this Everlast, but the Lincoln transformer welder just doesn't have it for me.Friends who know I am busy learning to Tig weld have found paying work for me. I didn't ask for this, but won't complain!Initially I had no intentions of using this welder for anything other than my own hobby or farm type projects. In fact I really bought it in order to use for learning tig so that I could TIG up an Egli-Vincent frame for myself. The first plan was to use my friend's Lincoln 185 to do this with. After about a week of daily commuting to his place to practice, I realized that this was going to take awhile. Learning to tig weld without owning a tig welder is like trying to learn to play the piano without having one in your house to practice on. It's not going to happen!Other than that I have gotten by just fine with my Miller and P+H stick welders for many years.I'm not using them much anymore, although if I ever need more than 200 amps I will fire up the P+H. It's unlikely I will need to though because these Inverters seem a lot hotter at 200 amps than the tranformers are. The Miller is a portable, (Onan) so it will still get occasional use.Funny how when people see that you are keen to do something they put you to work!The first paying project was a stainless Dough divider drum. That came from a friend who needed it for a machine he was building and could not find a large shop interested in tackling it. They paid me $1600 for my labour, which was a some design, some metal forming, some plasma cutting and lots of tig, a perfect job for me. Now another friend of a friend has me building 9 stainless steel window well grates for his housing project. I priced them at $300 each, $150 labour and $150 mat'l, so another $1350 total in labour. If they take a little longer than I planned, no matter, it's all practice anyway and I would be busy working on scraps if I didn't have these projects to do.So the little $800 welder will have made me about $3,000 in the last little while, not bad for something I considered a bit of a toy. I'm starting to see potential here. Anytime there is a situation where money can be made having fun, this should be exploited in full!I think I will be looking for one of their larger AC/DC multifunction units before long.The pedal quit working the other day. Everlast had one to me in no time, no fuss, no shipping charge,no questions, no need to send the old one back for repair or to prove it needed replacement. Does anybody else have a five year warranty like this?
Reply:I am in the manufacturing business here in America, and I actually import a product to China. Bottom line is this, America can no longer manufacture efficiently or economically. Taxation, insurance costs, litigation, labor costs, fuel costs, the EPA, DEP, DOT, etc, etc are squeezing us to death and have reduced our profits to nothing. We are forced to lower our costs the only way we can, by importing cheaper machinery. China will only continue to produce better and better machinery as the demand increases, while our own quality goes to **** as our costs skyrocket. I bought a Chinese TIG welder, just to fart around on and learn, and so far I love it. It's parked next to my Lincoln stick welder which has been getting beat up around here for as long as I can remember. The Chinese welder may not last as long, but if it makes it to it's 5 year warranty life, I can still buy two more before I get to the price of a Miller. Tariffs might help a little, but it won't change the fact that America is putting itself in the hole by crushing small business. You talk about foundations, it's what this country was built on and we are chipping away at it with a jackhammer.
Reply:No, we aren't chipping away at it, people like you are. I have the same Miller Shopmaster for thirty years. How much money would you have in chin welders in thirty years? I'll keep buying American, thank you.
Reply:the northern industrial welders are made in china, read some good stuff on them...
Reply:Originally Posted by hillcoIf low cost labor is the root of poor quality, then the higher the Labor Cost equates to correspondingly higher quality, right? If the American autoworker's labor cost was higher than, say the Japanese worker's, then the quality of the product is higher, right?...'just want to make sure I'm understanding the thinking here, because it does not agree with my observations. Perhaps there are other variables..??
Reply:i got a lincoln mig and a miller tig because its agreed that they're the best welders in the market for now. I didn't buy them because they're made in USA. If brand X from country Y started to make welders better then miller or lincoln, I'd get those, too.If USA made less quality welders then (example Italy, would you buy it, just because its made in USA?
Reply:Originally Posted by oxy moroni got a lincoln mig and a miller tig because its agreed that they're the best welders in the market for now. I didn't buy them because they're made in USA. If brand X from country Y started to make welders better then miller or lincoln, I'd get those, too.If USA made less quality welders then (example Italy, would you buy it, just because its made in USA?
Reply:You'd have to send it in an awful lot of times to make up a 3000 dollar price gap.Some people do want something new and different, but whatever floats your boat..Esab Migmaster 250Lincoln SA 200Lincoln Ranger 8Smith Oxy Fuel setupEverlast PowerPlasma 80Everlast Power iMIG 160Everlast Power iMIG 205 Everlast Power iMIG 140EEverlast PowerARC 300Everlast PowerARC 140STEverlast PowerTIG 255EXT
Reply:Originally Posted by lugweldSome people do want something new and different, but whatever floats your boat.. |
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