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here is my little 15"x6" sculpture i would like to sell it what would some of you people pay for this
Reply:How much does it weigh and what is the price on scrapiron right now?
Reply:15 quick sale 30 if you sit on it awhile.25 years of age.Been welding since Feb 23rd 2009.LU1007 Millwright (A1)
Reply:other art this size by no name like me are $800
Reply:More then likely put together better. You're tacks are sloppy and it looks like a hobbist threw it together in 10 mins. You asked and we told you what we would pay for it. But we are welders and critique welds differently then the avg person.My opinion is 15 if you can find a buyer but don't think you will.If you get 800 for that im going to the junkyard and spending half the day in the garage to mass produce those.25 years of age.Been welding since Feb 23rd 2009.LU1007 Millwright (A1)
Reply:Originally Posted by B.AppelIf you get 800 for that im going to the junkyard and spending half the day in the garage to mass produce those.
Reply:here this is a sculpture that 11"x7" its $800 by a no name artest mine is better thin that
Reply:Nah yours is no where near the caliber. And size means nothing as well as price.Its worth what someone will pay regardless of size or weight. There are ppl who make tig sculptures that are 3"x3" and sell for thousands. If you are going to try and sell yours for 800 even 100 make space on you're desk because it's not leaving25 years of age.Been welding since Feb 23rd 2009.LU1007 Millwright (A1)
Reply:Its a neat piece but not many people will think of it as an architectural piece, It doesnt fit in with the interior of many homes (unless you are into steampunk or have a thing for transmission parts) As a conversation piece in your shop I think it has much more value.
Reply:Hey Mafia, we're probably the wrong people to ask how much we'd give for it.  Most of us can reach into our scrap pile and have something similar sitting finished on our welding table in about 15 minutes.  Since we deal with metal all day every day, it takes something a little "more" to make us take notice.If I were you, I'd take a better picture and post it on an art forum of some type with the same question.  When you do that, take the extra time to check your spelling and capitalize, so people there think they're dealing with a more classy person.EDIT: But so that I answer your question, you would pay me $50 to take that, because it's an hour round-trip to the scrapyard and that's my hourly rate.  Whatever I got for it at the yard would be used to partially reimburse my fuel at 10 mpg.  Last edited by tbone550; 03-05-2012 at 02:38 PM.Reason: Forgot to answer the question!  :)
Reply:Originally Posted by mafiacustomzhere this is a sculpture that 11"x7" its $800 by a no name artest mine is better thin that
Reply:i myself would never pay 800 for that bunch of square tubing i was thinking of painting my sculpture gold and giving it as a trophy at a car show
Reply:You have to see what's trendy. Squares are in. Its modern. From curtains to pillows its the in thing. Junk from an old transmission welded to resemble something else is still junk from a transmission. People aren't decorating with gears on their walls. If you want to make money making art make art that appeals to the masses.25 years of age.Been welding since Feb 23rd 2009.LU1007 Millwright (A1)
Reply:im sorry i dont like to follow the crowd if you keep following you just make the same stuff over and over again
Reply:That may be true, but when you're trying to sell stuff you have to make what the crowd wants to buy. Any abstract metal art is going to be difficult to sell in most areas to begin with and trying to start a new "fad" with transmission parts is going to make selling even more difficult, especially for a price to make it worth your time.
Reply:You also don't sell. Its a matter of what makes money. You're obviously doing this for profit so why not make things that will sell rather then tack scrap metal together?Its simple business. but i see you let you're pride and ego get in the way.25 years of age.Been welding since Feb 23rd 2009.LU1007 Millwright (A1)
Reply:Ahhh, but you've given a BAD example of what $800.00 bucks actually buys!  (The Square tube sculpture)  Certainly there are people who have things up for sale for what we might see as 'unrealistic', but many are accomplished Artisans.  The rest are Artisans who don't sell Squat and are looking to hopefully just make a 'score'.  On the other hand, there are Artists out there that sell pieces for around or even 'under' $800.00 bucks that 'most people' would consider FAR better Art.  There are 'many' factors and reasons as to why these things happen and many of them are pretty puzzling..I have a 'Great Personal Interest' in sculptures and have a 'fair idea' of what sells and what does not and I do know this; EVERYTHING SELLS,.... "eventually."  The PROBLEM is that MOST everything does NOT sell in a TIMELY manner and 'many' (and I mean MANY) Artist's hang onto their work for a VERY long time before they sell it.  Having said that, there are a LOT of Schmoes out there paying HUGE money for the Dumbest ' thing's you have ever seen!  I've seen some Pieces at Galleries that make me want to punch someone in the ear for even putting a 'Price Tag' on it, but for some reason it 'sells'.Take the Square tube example you've given us....  It's a bit different, but the likely hood of someone buying this non-accomplished Artist's work (example only..) is probably about 1 in 10,000 if priced at $800.00.  Price it closer to $300.00 or $400.00 and you'll probably drop that number down to 1 in 2000 or less.  Either way, there are probably 50 potential 'serious buyers' out of any number of 1000 people, but they're 'willingness' to spend a 'certain amount' of money for the piece is going to be different.  Like I said in your other thread, most peoples tastes are in their mouth (like some of the people here...) and more often than not, it's simply a matter of finding something that is 'Unique' in another persons eyes or 'Piques' their interest.  Appealing to the masses only places you into the same group of people trying to 'Flog' their own similar pieces and it will get you nowhere really fast UNLESS you're able to stand out and that's far more difficult a task than most would expect, ESPECIALLY on the WEB.Finally, don't under-estimate 'mixed media' and technique!  Embellishments or 'texture' that you can 'add' to your present sculpture can and WILL make all the difference in the World when it comes to someone doing a 'double-take' when checking out your work in greater detail.  Look around and 'Find' some of the things that DO SELL and don't just have a price-tag on them and you'll notice the differences pretty quickly... BTW, nice start on the Sculpture thing and don't worry 'too much' about how the welds look as the person who likely DOES buy it won't have a CLUE as to how it ANY weld should look.  Not only that, but the 'organic look' of a bad weld can actually 'add' to a sculpture and you'll probably 'notice this' when you scrutinize some pieces up close.Cheers,Miller Diversion 165120 amp Buzz BoxVictor Oxy/Ace Oxy/LPGSmith "Little" Oxy/LPGHypertherm Powermax 30Lot's of Misc. tools n' crap....
Reply:Originally Posted by mafiacustomzim sorry i dont like to follow the crowd if you keep following you just make the same stuff over and over again
Reply:All you gotta do is find the right person. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder or something like that. It's like anything else that is for sale; you can ask hundreds but people only offer 50. It's only worth what you get.  Have you made any others ???
Reply:Originally Posted by mafiacustomzhere this is a sculpture that 11"x7" its $800 by a no name artest mine is better thin that
Reply:Here's some stuff that sold:  This sold for $350.00I can sell these all day for $60This went for $75All this sells locally with no commission and no shipping.Good luck, but selling abstract pieces is really hard without the support of an art gallery and some name recognition.  And the gallery is going to take 40 to 50% commission.I  make stuff that sells and it keeps me in supplies and a little extra.To get an idea of what's out there and who you are competing with, go to ebay and search metal art.  There is some nice looking stuff out there,  cheap.Bob
Reply:im just trying to make money to build my car and it was said  its just what was in my junk pile but in my eyes as a car lover my garage art is great i would buy it if i didnt make it
Reply:Then keep it. You have alot of people here telling you its worth scrap.25 years of age.Been welding since Feb 23rd 2009.LU1007 Millwright (A1)
Reply:I think to the right person.....250.00. Don't give up....sell.sell. and sell some more! Keep welding...Sent from my SGH-T959Lincoln 305GUnion Carbide TorchDon't Worry About the Mule~Load the Wagon!
Reply:I think you put the clutch basket in backwards14' PowerMig 210 MP13'Burntables 5x10 CNC Table14' SAE300 HE on a 12' Ram 4500 60 CA 4x4. Custom bed/bottles/reels.87' SA250d, 78 SA200,11' Ranger 250 GXT AC/DCThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 8112' Lincoln Precision Tig 22508' LN25Who says the artist is a nobody? You? I'm going to be a bit harsh here so put your thick skin on........You obviously have no cue as to what is involved in being an "artist" and the marketing and selling of art. Galleries, depending on their stature in the local and/or national art scene can mark up a piece any where from 40% to a 1000%. So of that $800, the artist could only be seeing say $100. I'd say it's worth that as a wholesale price in my book. But if the gallery that has picked him up thinks the market value of it is $800, then they are going to try and get that. Maybe they think $600 is fair, so they are giving a bit of "give you a deal" room to close a sale. There is a lot of value in a reputable Gallery. Case in point of massive mark-ups: Local guy I know and have done work for, is very wealthy. Used to go on a gallery walk about on Sundays with a friend of mines Dad, before his passing. Was keen on a particular painting in the local big gallery and wanted to buy it. Price: $1.3 mil. Curator, knowing who he was, was all over him like a fly to shinto. He hummed and hawed and said he'd think about it. Did this each Sun. for a few weeks. Each week the price came down. $1 mill, $800k, $600k, $400k, $300k, and finally bought it at $260k. Point being, Galleries can mark up astronomically. Your piece, while "neat-o" is meaningless. And you are doing for no reason other than money. There is nothing sadder than the "I can do that" mentality of people that real can't and didn't and shouldn't. Just cause you don't think it's worth $800, doesn't mean it's not. Sorry pal, fail.200amp Air Liquide MIG, Hypertherm Plasma, Harris torches, Optrel helmet, Makita angle grinders, Pre-China Delta chop saw and belt sander, Miller leathers, shop made jigs etc, North- welders backpack.
Reply:Originally Posted by caldwellcplHere's some stuff that sold:Bob
Reply:I think it looks cool. A better picture wouldn't hurt critique it a little better. But overall I like it. How much would I pay for it? I couldn't say because I'm a cheapskate anyways lol.I'm into metal sculpture myself. I've made a few pieces and all of it comes from repurposed parts/metal. I love creating something nice out of something that once had a purpose elsewhere, but can't be used for that anymore. The things I create are things that I'd love to have in my house. The conversational "I made that" wow factor is what I'm after when I make something. More than anything you can't look at sculpture as a get rich quick scheme. Sure there are pieces that you feel arent as "nice" as yours selling for $800, but more than likely that artist doesn't make them and sell them as quickly as you think. It could take years to find someone to pay top dollar for a piece, especially in our economy.  If you're creating metal sculpture to fund your car build, you're going about it and thinking the wrong way. Art is about expression and passion, not how much you can make off one piece to the next. I don't want to sound too critical, as I've said I do like what you've made. My point is, if you make sculpture just to make money, it'll show in your work. If you make a sculpture just for the hell of it and for the passion, it'll show in your work as well.Last edited by dbales; 03-07-2012 at 01:24 AM.Northern Tool MIG/Flux coreWEL-BILT 4 1/2 angle grinderYou gotta start somewhere!
Reply:The thing about the tubing piece is that there is hours, and hours of finishing time. Too make something that looks so clean, and straight. I bet there is close to 20+hours just in finishing on that piece. Now put this into perspective $800/20hr=$40hr now consider gallery mark up which is usually at least double what you want so now cut that $40hr to $20hr and add in the actual build time from planning, to construction, and add another couple hrs(lets say 5hr getting it right). that brings you down to $800*.5=$400/25hrs=$16hr when its all said and done now let it sit at the gallery for a year or two and you realize why your 10min piece is not worth $800, but $2.60(based on construction time and planning at $16hr)  plus scrap value a few pennys more. Being an artist is not easy, and 98% of people are not capable of making a dime, but still do it as a hobby.miller xmt 304 w/ 22a feederdynasty 200dx tig runnerspeedglas 9100xvictor journeymen O/Aesab shadow 5000 shape cutterClausing Drill Press setAVIA d.r.o. milling machine ercolina ercobender 76baileigh hsp-66mJD2 notchmaster
Reply:A lot of people fall into this type of "artwork" of tacking found objects together. Technically it's called assemblage. If there is no rhyme or reason to it, then there is no difference between your work and everyone else's (at least everyone else with a welder). I'm not trying to discourage you from this type of thing, but it is not as easy as sticking a bunch of pieces of metal together.This is a piece I am working on right now:This is just a 1:8 scale model. The finished piece will be 15ft tall. I have over 50 hours in just the model, not counting all of the design work over the past 6 months.I did not start with projects of this size. Here is one that I built my freshman year of college, just .25" flat bar welded together. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...3832224&type=3After all of this, it still is only worth what someone is willing to pay. This is not my main jobnzbsculpture.comwww.facebook.com/NZBSculpt
Reply:Originally Posted by mikeei'd buy your stuff bob.... Very artisticcheers,mike
Reply:Originally Posted by nzbrockA lot of people fall into this type of "artwork" of tacking found objects together. Technically it's called assemblage. If there is no rhyme or reason to it, then there is no difference between your work and everyone else's (at least everyone else with a welder). I'm not trying to discourage you from this type of thing, but it is not as easy as sticking a bunch of pieces of metal together.This is a piece I am working on right now:This is just a 1:8 scale model. The finished piece will be 15ft tall. I have over 50 hours in just the model, not counting all of the design work over the past 6 months.I did not start with projects of this size. Here is one that I built my freshman year of college, just .25" flat bar welded together. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...3832224&type=3After all of this, it still is only worth what someone is willing to pay. This is not my main job
Reply:I think that if you look closely at most salable art work,  You will find that at least a little thought and work went into the piece. For instance the sample that you have shown for 800,   has been very carefully deburred, so there are no sharp edges, made to be all one matching color and put together so that none of the connections show. I could pick you pieces out of my neighbors junk pile and assemble, them the same way that you did only with clean welds, and still it would be just scrap.  If you spent some time colorizing it with acid, or heat, or maybe reforming some parts with a hammer, at least it would look like you worked at making it.  The way it is, it looks like ten minutes of work with a bunch of used trany parts.  Mac
Reply:You might pop over here for a different perspective on it..http://www.metalartistforum.comFrom the desk of Kevin CaronTrying to be the best me I can!www.kevincaron.comAHP Alpha Tig 200x MillerMatic 251Miller Syncrowave 200
Reply:Phuk'in 'A' those are both awesome. Post lots of photo's as you go and of the finished piece.I hate the really big stuff. You make out alright or get bitten or prison-raped by surprises.  Originally Posted by nzbrockA lot of people fall into this type of "artwork" of tacking found objects together. Technically it's called assemblage. If there is no rhyme or reason to it, then there is no difference between your work and everyone else's (at least everyone else with a welder). I'm not trying to discourage you from this type of thing, but it is not as easy as sticking a bunch of pieces of metal together.This is a piece I am working on right now:This is just a 1:8 scale model. The finished piece will be 15ft tall. I have over 50 hours in just the model, not counting all of the design work over the past 6 months.I did not start with projects of this size. Here is one that I built my freshman year of college, just .25" flat bar welded together. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...3832224&type=3After all of this, it still is only worth what someone is willing to pay. This is not my main job
Reply:Very good call Kevin. Nice to see you over this side of the tracks. The lady behind the camera kills me every time with her catch phrase!Art is the worst thing to discuss. Love it, hate it, to much to cheap, good, not good. But really it's all just shoes. You can walk bare foot, you can wear 6" spikes, Ked's or Jimmy Chew's, white canvas or Monitor Lizard skin, $5 or $50,000. It's what you like, it's what you have room for, it's what you want, it's what you can afford......and on and on and on. Do what you like or do what others like. It's just the doing that takes the minerals.  Originally Posted by kevinacaronYou might pop over here for a different perspective on it..http://www.metalartistforum.com