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I work at a Light Plant here are some pics of a V16 5700 HP Enterprise eng we overhauled. The bottom of the block where the sealing area is for the bottom of the sleeves, orings seal water from engine oil.The block was eroded by electrolisis and needed to be reclaimed. We called in a company that specializes in this type of work,they spray welded bronze onto the existing cast,the welder was feed by 2 spools of1/8 diam bronze wire two 30lb spools would last about a day and was later machined down to fit the eng specs. Attached Images
Reply:Cool stuff there
Reply:One of the pics is of the welder and others are of the size of engine parts we are dealing with. Hope everyone enjoys the pics. Attached Images
Reply:Wow, cool pictures.  I love seeing stuff like that, thanks for sharing!!
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Reply:Always neat to see things like this. Thanks.The pict of the rod on the pallet doesn't do it justice compared to the next one with the guy standing next to it.I'm sure there's a joke there about the size of your shaft as well... .No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
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Reply:That's some offset in the connecting rod...Let's see that turn 8000!!...zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:I have a few used pistons that I use as paperweights on my desk.....would need a bigger desk to use that one!AutoArc 120 MIGMontgomery Ward AC/DC 230r.i.p. - Miller Thunderbolt 05 Jeep Liberty Renegade
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Reply:Originally Posted by straight6jeffI have a few used pistons that I use as paperweights on my desk.....would need a bigger desk to use that one!
Reply:DSW mentioned jokes.....16 of my ex girlfriends could be lined up like your v 16 but their displacement would be two large for comparison.... and if I get two more like them, I would have a golf course. Says something about the women I pick up huh?
Reply:That adds new meaning to the term " Big Block " I enjoy pictures of hugh machinery. Thanks for posting.
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterThat's some offset in the connecting rod...Let's see that turn 8000!!...zap!
Reply:5700HP / 16cyl = 356.25hp per cyl! Cool pics thanks. A "thrown" rod would have new meaning,
Reply:The spray welding looks pretty neat. These big engines are awesome. Thanks for sharing the pictures. Did they rebuild all 16 or just one? How long did it take to build up the bore?
Reply:Originally Posted by Mick120I was thinking the same thing about the offset....maybe to keep block size down.....
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Reply:Originally Posted by BistineauI would NOT want to be around it turning that kind of speed. It probably maxes out at 800RPM or less. By the time it reached 8 grand it would be shaking the building apart and ripping it's foundation loose, talk about parts flying everywhere.What does thie engine burn for fuel, diesel, natural gas, straight crude,Mustangs?
Reply:Originally Posted by rustyiron5700HP / 16cyl = 356.25hp per cyl! Cool pics thanks. A "thrown" rod would have new meaning,
Reply:Originally Posted by forhireThe spray welding looks pretty neat. These big engines are awesome. Thanks for sharing the pictures. Did they rebuild all 16 or just one? How long did it take to build up the bore?
Reply:Yeah, I figured it had to be pretty slow turning, but gobs and gobs of torque, many many foot lbs of torque. I ran some big diesels in the USN that were about 3300 HP V-16, they ran 1000 RPM full speed full load. Turbo-supercharged, the turbo weighed about 1800 pounds. They had a 9" bore, 10.5" stroke, what's the bore and stroke on this behemouth? We made a run one time at 900 RPM for 5 days straight, all 6 main engines online and two V-8 generators of the same type engine and we were burning 700 gallons an hour. So one V-16 @ 100 gallons an hour and the generators @ 50 GPH. The generators ran 900 RPM all the time to make 60Hz. We had 6 mains and three generators. I had one guy help me do a tune up on 4 mains and all 3 generators just days before this run and he learned the proper way to tune them. The exhaust manifolds were glowing cherry red the whole time, turbo boost on the mains about 18 PSI. I later did the tune up on the other 2 mains after this run. How much fuel does this one suck up per hour?I guess I was posting reply when you answered on B&S question but what on fuel per hour? After the run we made we figured our mileage at around 45-50 Gallons Per Mile. Not bad for something 522' long, 60' wide, traveling about 30MPH at 15,000 tons loaded 5 days straight without slacking up.Last edited by Bistineau; 02-27-2012 at 08:59 PM.
Reply:Originally Posted by AndyAI was thinking it let you install it through a smaller hole than a "normal" rod would.  I wonder if there's any strength reasons for the offset?Edit: it might also resolve some rod bolt to block interference problems.
Reply:Originally Posted by BistineauYeah, I figured it had to be pretty slow turning, but gobs and gobs of torque, many many foot lbs of torque. I ran some big diesels in the USN that were about 3300 HP V-16, they ran 1000 RPM full speed full load. Turbo-supercharged, the turbo weighed about 1800 pounds. They had a 9" bore, 10.5" stroke, what's the bore and stroke on this behemouth? We made a run one time at 900 RPM for 5 days straight, all 6 main engines online and two V-8 generators of the same type engine and we were burning 700 gallons an hour. So one V-16 @ 100 gallons an hour and the generators @ 50 GPH. The generators ran 900 RPM all the time to make 60Hz. We had 6 mains and three generators. I had one guy help me do a tune up on 4 mains and all 3 generators just days before this run and he learned the proper way to tune them. The exhaust manifolds were glowing cherry red the whole time, turbo boost on the mains about 18 PSI. I later did the tune up on the other 2 mains after this run. How much fuel does this one suck up per hour?I guess I was posting reply when you answered on B&S question but what on fuel per hour? After the run we made we figured our mileage at around 45-50 Gallons Per Mile. Not bad for something 522' long, 60' wide, traveling about 30MPH at 15,000 tons loaded 5 days straight without slacking up.Originally Posted by DSWAlways neat to see things like this. Thanks.The pict of the rod on the pallet doesn't do it justice compared to the next one with the guy standing next to it.I'm sure there's a joke there about the size of your shaft as well...
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterThat's some offset in the connecting rod...Let's see that turn 8000!!...zap!
Reply:Originally Posted by Mick120Hey Power....Real interesting info on the Enterprise engines on Wikipedia.It even has a map showing the remaining engine still operating in the US.Old Tacoma Marine also has online engine manuals.....really interesting stuff.I look forward to more internal pics.
Reply:I knew that was an Enterprise V because of the articulated connecting rod.  Weird setup, but it's very similar to a radial airplane engine.  That must be an R4V16.  You should see how much they beefed up the rod for the R5V16 despite having the same bore and stroke.  The R5's made 12,500 hp at 514 rpm.  They are still to this date the most powerful American diesel engine ever made.For those who want to know the reason for the articulated rod?  It's twofold.  First, because the crank pin isn't shared the bearing can be made larger for better pressure distribution.  But primarily, it makes the engine more compact because opposing cylinders in the V do not have to be staggered.  The serrations are common on connecting rods in larger engines.  It provides a more positive location of the bearing caps.  It's just too expensive to do on cars.  And bearing caps are split in unusual places on the larger engines to allow withdrawal of the connecting rod through the cylinder for overhauls through the top deck of the engine.Last edited by 76GMC1500; 02-28-2012 at 12:02 AM.
Reply:Originally Posted by Mick120Hey Power....Real interesting info on the Enterprise engines on Wikipedia.It even has a map showing the remaining engine still operating in the US.Old Tacoma Marine also has online engine manuals.....really interesting stuff.I look forward to more internal pics.
Reply:Originally Posted by 76GMC1500I knew that was an Enterprise V because of the articulated connecting rod.  Weird setup, but it's very similar to a radial airplane engine.  That must be an R4V16.  You should see how much they beefed up the rod for the R5V16 despite having the same bore and stroke.  The R5's made 12,500 hp at 514 rpm.  They are still to this date the most powerful American diesel engine ever made.For those who want to know the reason for the articulated rod?  It's twofold.  First, because the crank pin isn't shared the bearing can be made larger for better pressure distribution.  But primarily, it makes the engine more compact because opposing cylinders in the V do not have to be staggered.  The serrations are common on connecting rods in larger engines.  It provides a more positive location of the bearing caps.  It's just too expensive to do on cars.  And bearing caps are split in unusual places on the larger engines to allow withdrawal of the connecting rod through the cylinder for overhauls through the top deck of the engine.
Reply:These are the only two pictures I have of the Enterprise R5 connecting rod and piston:
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Reply:Those engines are pretty durable. When I was a kid we used one just like that to build a go cart. The torque was great. You could do wheelies all the way down the street. Maybe just because the weight was shifted to the back. The funny thing was when we would use the go cart to drag around kids on a disc sled. Ok maybe I didn't do all that. I just didn't have anything to contribute and I wanted to make a post. hahahaCmon, that's funny.Lincoln Power Mig 210MP MIGLincoln Power Mig 350MP - MIG and Push-PullLincoln TIG 300-300Lincoln Hobby-Weld 110v  Thanks JLAMESCK TIG TORCH, gas diffuser, pyrex cupThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 101My brain
Reply:Take a look at a radial airplane engine for a better idea of the master and link rod configuration.  Just ignore the other 7 link rods and you have yourself an Enterprise engine.Bisinteau, the engine you described is an EMD or Electro-Motive Diesel.  An EMD 16-645E5 or E7 (the odd numbers are turbocharged engines and evens are roots blown) is rated at 3300 horsepower.  That is another interesting engine.  It two shares two cylinders in the V on one main bearing but uses a unique fork and blade rod set up where the fork rod rides on a conventional bearing and the blade rod rides on the babbited outside of the fork rod's bearing.  The dynamics of a 2-stroke engine work well with this setup but it's too weak for a 4-stroke.Last edited by 76GMC1500; 03-01-2012 at 10:55 PM.
Reply:Thanks GMC,  The R5 rod asse. is alot bigger then the R4 for sure. Did they use wrist pin caps on those like the R3 and R4? I didnt see any in the pics but maybe were removed before pic were taken Just wondering?
Reply:Thanks for posting these,it brings back memories.When I was in the airforce many moons ago, we had two similar power plants supplying power to our 25 Megawatt radar.One of them seized a cylinder and the power plant techs had their work cut out for them repairing it.I was talking to them in the club on night and asked how do you get the seized piston out.He said we use a BFH and beat the crap out of it until it shatters. Then they pull the bits out then the sleeve.I would have loved to have seen that one but they wouldn't allow anyone in there while they were doing it. Can't understand way not........Cheers.Glenn.Sign on East Texas payphone: Calls to God 40 cents......it's a local call...
Reply:Originally Posted by 76GMC1500Bisinteau, the engine you described is an EMD or Electro-Motive Diesel.  An EMD 16-645E5 or E7 (the odd numbers are turbocharged engines and evens are roots blown) is rated at 3300 horsepower.  That is another interesting engine.  It two shares two cylinders in the V on one main bearing but uses a unique fork and blade rod set up where the fork rod rides on a conventional bearing and the blade rod rides on the babbited outside of the fork rod's bearing.  The dynamics of a 2-stroke engine work well with this setup but it's too weak for a 4-stroke.
Reply:Thanks for posting power, are the pistons in this one piece, or are they like the 2 piece used in multi-fuel engines?The arc wire spray looks to be a Mogul or Miller BP, not sure though? Those things are easily capable of putting down 60lb. per hour if you turn them up and can keep running.The bronzes and babbits are sooty and bright, but if you ever get to see them go with steel or stainless you can see the shock wave diamonds in front of the nozzle (supersonic velocity)!Matt
Reply:Originally Posted by Matt_MaguireThanks for posting power, are the pistons in this one piece, or are they like the 2 piece used in multi-fuel engines?The arc wire spray looks to be a Mogul or Miller BP, not sure though? Those things are easily capable of putting down 60lb. per hour if you turn them up and can keep running.The bronzes and babbits are sooty and bright, but if you ever get to see them go with steel or stainless you can see the shock wave diamonds in front of the nozzle (supersonic velocity)!Matt
Reply:Originally Posted by StampederThanks for posting these,it brings back memories.When I was in the airforce many moons ago, we had two similar power plants supplying power to our 25 Megawatt radar.One of them seized a cylinder and the power plant techs had their work cut out for them repairing it.I was talking to them in the club on night and asked how do you get the seized piston out.He said we use a BFH and beat the crap out of it until it shatters. Then they pull the bits out then the sleeve.I would have loved to have seen that one but they wouldn't allow anyone in there while they were doing it. Can't understand way not........Cheers.Glenn.
Reply:Originally Posted by powerThanks GMC,  The R5 rod asse. is alot bigger then the R4 for sure. Did they use wrist pin caps on those like the R3 and R4? I didnt see any in the pics but maybe were removed before pic were taken Just wondering?
Reply:Originally Posted by Matt_MaguireThanks for posting power, are the pistons in this one piece, or are they like the 2 piece used in multi-fuel engines?The arc wire spray looks to be a Mogul or Miller BP, not sure though? Those things are easily capable of putting down 60lb. per hour if you turn them up and can keep running.The bronzes and babbits are sooty and bright, but if you ever get to see them go with steel or stainless you can see the shock wave diamonds in front of the nozzle (supersonic velocity)!Matt
Reply:My torque wrench suddenly seems so small and insignificant!StephenMillermatic 251Miller Syncrowave 200Miller 30A SpoolgunHypertherm Powermax 30Etc., etc., etc.............Cancer Sucks!
Reply:Your half-drive torque wrench is sufficient.  I recently installed new flywheels on a pair of EMD v-16 engines.  You only need to torque them to 90 ftlbs... through a 22.5:1 torque multiplier for a final torque of 1800 ftlbs (minus inefficiencies in the multiplier).  The cylinder hold-down bolts are the highest torque on the engine at something like 3200 ftlbs, again through a multiplier.  One of the great things about EMD's is that you only need your standard tool box to work on them.Now, the Enterprise...  No wrenches necessary.   You use hydraulic jacks to bull critical fasteners such as cylinder head studs and connecting rod bolts to tension and then you simply run the nuts down by hand.
Reply:Originally Posted by Matt_MaguireThanks for posting power, are the pistons in this one piece, or are they like the 2 piece used in multi-fuel engines?The arc wire spray looks to be a Mogul or Miller BP, not sure though? Those things are easily capable of putting down 60lb. per hour if you turn them up and can keep running.The bronzes and babbits are sooty and bright, but if you ever get to see them go with steel or stainless you can see the shock wave diamonds in front of the nozzle (supersonic velocity)!Matt
Reply:Is this from Wamego?Looks familiar.
Reply:Originally Posted by Meat manIs this from Wamego?Looks familiar.
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