Lincoln weld pac 100 with gas kit

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Hello guys,I found a Lincoln 100 with a gas kit on CL for I think $125 I'm guessing it's original cost was much higher plus the gas kit?Is this a good deal? Seems to be in great condition still in boxes with lots of extras. I read the manual on line and it's giving settings for up to 1/4 inch mild steel? Does this sound right?This would be a starter for my son and I to learn on at home. Please commentTimSent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Reply:Thats a good price I think. Ive been looking for one and people have been asking 200-300 for units in crappy condition(mainly cosmetic). 1/8 is probably more realistic. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkLincoln Pro Mig 180HF Stick/Tig Inverter WelderLincoln AC225s
Reply:Good machine.Hold it to 1/8, with proper fitting. .023-025 wire.Run straight CO2 unless you're a body man.Bubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:As others have mentioned 1/8" is max under real world conditions.As far as being a "good" starter machine, depends. Price is right, but the machine will have some limitations and guys almost always quickly outgrow 110v powered units. You will most likely want to use gas. It will allow you to weld thinner material than FC will. To do 1/8" gas or FC will work.230v powered machines will allow you to do either thin stuff or thicker stuff. a 180 amp rated unit will do 1/4", a 200 amp rated unit will do 3/8". Used 230v machines pop up from time to time. Dual voltage units that are out now will allow you to do up to 1/9" on regular 110v household current, but thicker stuff when plugged into 230v power. Down side is the added cost, vs a 230v only machine. A lot of people are scared of 230v power. If you have an electric dryer, all you need is a 230v extension cord and you are all set. You can run it that way, or get the garage wired for a 230v outlet. I did that for a lot of years while living in apartments..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Thanks guys, I didn't buy it yet, I offered $100 ha said that's a little too low, so I went to $125. Again I agree complete with the 110 v 220 machines. But for that money looks like I could resale after use. The manual says I will 1/4 with flux core wire. It also says it will do aluminum ? I thought you needed Ac for that? This is a dc machine. And to back up manual says it will do 3/16 and 1/4 even gives the settings for it but says multiple passes? ThanksSent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Reply:You would need to switch polarity to dcep. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkLincoln Pro Mig 180HF Stick/Tig Inverter WelderLincoln AC225s
Reply:I use to have a Lincoln Weld Pak 100. It was the absolute best 110 welder I have ever owned.  Traded it for set of $1000 mud tires about 2 years ago. Regretted it ever since. I ran .035 flux core lincoln wire.Hobart Stickmate LX 235 ACEverlast Powerarc 140ST DC InverterPowcon 300ST
Reply:Okay I'm gonna get it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Reply:You can mig weld alum using CV DC. Problem is that unit doesn't have enough power. You will max out a 180 amp class mig to be able to do 1/8" alum.  a 200 amp class mig would be better for 1/8" as it gives you a bit of room to fine tune your settings. You might be able to do 1/16" alum, but the problem is alum mig is a hot process. Once you go thin like that burn thru becomes a real issue. Problem #2 is that alum wire doesn't feed well in standard guns. It can be done, but you need to keep the gun dead straight ( no bends) and use a teflon liner, the shorter the gun the better. Typically it's an effort in frustration with small wire like .030 as the soft wire likes to birdsnest at the slightest amount of drag in the liner, though it can be done with bigger machines when you start getting up to large size wire like .045 or 1/16" wire. A spoolgun is the best way to go with smaller machines. Don't waste your money and try to do alum with this unit.Yes the manual says if can do 1/4". However the manufacturer way over rates these little machines. If you read the fine print in the manual, you need to feed it a dedicated 30 amp 110v circuit to get that kind of power. If you have to run a dedicated 30 amp 110v line, why not just do it right and run the 230v one and have many times more output power using a 230v machine?Also duty cycle at that point is measured in seconds. Those machines often use caps to boost the output power for short periods to help make up for the input power issues. When the caps get drained, you loose that power boost and weld quality drops off. Also other things drop your input power down. Extension cords, other things plugged into the circuit or excessive connections in the circuit the drop the voltage, running off a 15 amp vs 20 amp circuit and so on. They also use someone who really knows what they are doing so they can wring every last drop out of the machine and not waste any power at all.Trust me under real world conditions, 1/8" is the most that machine will do under ideal normal circumstances ( 20 amp line with nothing else drawing power, no extension cord) with a welder with the average homeowner skill set..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by Bluehunter40Thanks guys, I didn't buy it yet, I offered $100 ha said that's a little too low, so I went to $125. Again I agree complete with the 110 v 220 machines. But for that money looks like I could resale after use. The manual says I will 1/4 with flux core wire. It also says it will do aluminum ? I thought you needed Ac for that? This is a dc machine. And to back up manual says it will do 3/16 and 1/4 even gives the settings for it but says multiple passes? ThanksSent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Reply:I started on that machine and it is still kick in'. Specs in the manuals from manufacturers are under IDEAl conditions which rarely exist in the real world.CO2 is a good gas because it's more bang for the buck. Technically better penetration but on this size machine yer really not going to notice a difference. You might notice a difference using C25 ar/co mix giving you less spatter. I used both , couldn't really see much difference so stuck with co2 because the little 15lb and 20lb bottles are easy to transport.A 20lb bottle = about 174cubic ft of shielding gas.Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:Okay so forgive my lack of understanding on this but : I have 50 amp service on my patio, are you guys saying that this Lincoln and or my Harbor Freight 80 amp DC stick welder would perform better if I add a 30 amp circuit/plug to the service I have out there? My understanding is that the welder is not drawing more than 20A so my breaker does not trip? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Reply:Even if the breaker doesn't trip, that doesn't mean the unit isn't being limited by the circuit that it is on. If the breaker does trip, that's a definite indication though that the machine wants more juice.It's not just amps, it's also the voltage that is coming in that combines for the total power. When I was having issues with power from Sandy, I never tripped the breakers on the genny. However I was pulling enough draw over distance to drop the line voltage down low enough to cause a "brown out". The wattage ( amps x volts) going to the stuff on the line was down low enough to begin to cause issues. Your welder is the same way. If you are starving it for power, then yes a bigger service on 110v power would help. Note that a 50 amp circuit is most likely 230v. Most 230v circuits have 2 hots and a ground, no neutral. Newer circuits might be 4 wire and be 2 hots, a neutral and a ground. You can not use the ground to form your neutral in a 3 wire system. You' have to rewire it to dedicate one hot over to neutral both at the outlet and in the panel. Don't just assume that because you have a black, a white and a green, that you have 110v power on that circuit. I've seen plenty of 230v circuits run where the electrician didn't bother to remark the white to red/black for the 2nd hot.  Move that "hot" white to neutral on the outlet, you still have 230v power if you didn't change the breaker set up. As soon as you plug in the welder you'll let out all the magic smoke. It my "arc" for a while, but it won't for long and it won't work there after...If you do have a 50 amp 230v circuit on the patio, just go with  a 230v welder. I wouldn't even waste the money on the HF stick machine. I see Ac only 230v transformer stick units all the time for $50 to $150 on CL. AC?DC units start a bit higher, but I've seen some dirt cheap ones also, typically the rebranded store ones like Craftsmans or Montgomery Wards units. These would have many times the power of that crappy HF unit. The HF one runs 1/16" or maybe 5/64" rods. 3/32" rods are iffy at max power. However a 230v stick unit, even run off a 30 amp dryer circuit will have no issues running 3/32" rods and even 1/8" 6011. On 50 maps you can run just about any 1/8" rod you want all day. I've even seen big industrial AC/DC tig units like rebadged Miller 330's offered for less than $400 ready to go. The size and weight would make it a pain to move out to the patio most likely, but it's possible. On a 50 amp circuit you could easily do 1/8" tig or run 1/8" rods..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Okay I'll check it out tomorrow, I will be looking for a 220 v setup, I was going to put a sub panel out there and have both outlets. I do get what your saying about v drop over distance and shared circuits now. I'll fix that up. Thanks for explaining. I'm in south Florida and there seems to cheap off brand 110v units and high end stuff. Not much in the middle. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Reply:Suitable for lawn ornaments etc. nothing serious.
Reply:Well I got it, turns out it was brand new never used, with lots of flux wire spools tips and the gas kit with solenoid VHS tape and hand held mask. I know it's not 220 but it was a great value. Also keep in mind I am in south Florida, any dip**** that can make a flamingo yard art can sell them all day so maybe yard art isn't a bad thing. thanks for all your comments, worst case I know I can sell it for more than what I paid for it when I'm ready to move up. If worked as a handyman for many years doing side jobs. I am an Ac tech by trade. Every time I call a welder for a small job I pay a lot for the 20 minutes he is there. So this might be a good thing all the way around. Now I just need to learn how to weld. TimSent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Reply:Yeah, that's too good a deal to pass up. Since you have a 50A circuit available, start looking for a good AC/DC stick welder to go along with it. That'll take care of any metal too thick for the MIG.JohnA few weldersA lot of hammersA whole lot of C-clamps
Reply:10-4 I'm on it. Thanks. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Reply:Not a bad deal if he's close enough to you.http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php...ombstone-In-FL.No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
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Reply:Whoa. Very nice. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkLincoln Pro Mig 180HF Stick/Tig Inverter WelderLincoln AC225s
Reply:Awesome!!!Hobart Stickmate LX 235 ACEverlast Powerarc 140ST DC InverterPowcon 300ST
Reply:So this raises another question: since I have received my TIG torch assembly for the harbor freight welder, and have the Lincoln w/ mig setup, I think I can share regulators? And if so can I use argon with the mig or do I still need two bottles? Meaning argon and co2 ? Or can I use argon on both? I'm gonna get some gas and take a brake from buying welders till I learn how to use what I have. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk