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Hello there,I am hoping someone has some experience with running a maxstar 200 off of a generator. I would love to be able to buy a 2000 watt honda or yamaha and be very portable. Has anyone tried this? I use the maxstar for both stick and tig. I always run it on 120v and usually on a 15 amp circuit. The machine is set to 90 amps and rarely trips the 15 amp circuit breaker. 15 amps x 120 v = 1800 watts. So a 2000 watt generator should work; but will it, and will the generator have a short life due to, "working on the edge"?Thanks in advance,bronzy
Reply:Honda 2000 is really rated at 1800 amps. I tried a few inverter stick machines off of one. Bet you get about 65/ 70 amps before the machine kicks it's breaker. 15 amp input plasma was no go.. I believe you will need something like a Yamaha 2600 inverter to get it to weld decent. That is trying different inverter generators, and welders over the years.. 2400 Yamaha was close but would trip once, and a while.. Right now I find the cheap 100 pound 3500 china Generators do way better then the Honda EU 3000 I have used over the years off,and on. Gives you way more 120 reserve power (IMO)The 240 volt setting also is better overall too...I just picked up two generators from Ebay, and they are awesome for 120/240 volt inverters/plasma's too. Can't believe I found a mint MQ generator(I hour on it) for about what a Honda 1000 goes for.. Cheap china one is really pretty good in it's own right.. Your only real option to keep some of the size down with decent output power is a china inverter generator. did not really test them, but the only way I know you can get small enough with good results in output anyway.. Attached ImagesEsab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:You are going to want more than 2000w to run that machine.Even with an inverter welder the generators voltage will fluctuate wildly as you weld, I dont think inverter machines like that so much.old Miller spectrum 625 Lincoln SP-135 T, CO2+0.025 wireMiller model 250 and WP-18V torchCraftsman 100amp AC/DC and WP-17V torchCentury 115-004 HF arc stabilizerHome made 4 transformer spot welderHome made alternator welder
Reply:The honda 2000 generator is rated at 1800 AMPSWow that's a lot of current Sent from my SPH-D700 using Tapatalk 2Backed my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck
Reply:Originally Posted by killdozerd11The honda 2000 generator is rated at 1800 AMPSWow that's a lot of current Sent from my SPH-D700 using Tapatalk 2
Reply:I tried a TA 161S off an EU2000i. It was a total No Go. Couldn't strike an arc at even 40 amps. It doesn't have the initial surge amps to light a rod. Off of my EB5500, no problems.TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 Magnum
Reply:I would go with a Trailblazer or Bobcat. They both have good size generators and you get a welding machine for free.
Reply:Originally Posted by Brand XThose Millers really suck (the current):1800 watts....
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArcStill in error.Honda EU2000 is 2000 watts surge @ 16.7 amps and 1600 watts continuous @ 13.3 Amps. For generator "life" and performance, it's the "continuous" output that one needs to pay attention to in my humble opinion. I believe Broccoli1 may know more about generators and such. Like already said, not enough to power any welder that's worth a damn.
Reply:Originally Posted by BD1I would go with a Trailblazer or Bobcat. They both have good size generators and you get a welding machine for free.
Reply:Originally Posted by Brand X... 1800 watts....
Reply:Originally Posted by Brand XRight 1600.The above poster could not get his 161s to light up, but I could get close to 60 to 70 amps with either a 95s,and 161s running a Honda 2000. 161s is probably better on power input then a Maxstar 200.. Cheap China generator pretty much kicks butt on all the inverters. Just weighs 100 pounds. Does fit into my import car, so not a bad option. Trailblazer would not..or the much better Lincoln 305 g
Reply:Deleated. After all I typed, I realized my opinion wasn't germane to the OP's question. Last edited by SuperArc; 02-28-2014 at 02:58 PM.
Reply:Originally Posted by Drf255I tried for a few hours. 6011, 7018, 6018. Couldnt get one rod to burn.How did you do it?
Reply:No idea where you are located. Is there a Rental dealer in town ? Maybe take your machine,rod, and metal there and see what they have that will run it. I'm sure they have a selection of various outputs.
Reply:For generators you almost have to double the size to handle the inrush of current that the welder demands.It's not that you need more watts you just need the beef of a bigger motor.Your house power is from a generator just a really really big one so it doesn't even notice a little welding machine connected to it.Small putt putt generators will notice the Welding machine plugged it.Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:Originally Posted by Broccoli1For generators you almost have to double the size to handle the inrush of current that the welder demands.It's not that you need more watts you just need the beef of a bigger motor.Your house power is from a generator just a really really big one so it doesn't even notice a little welding machine connected to it.Small putt putt generators will notice the Welding machine plugged it.
Reply:One of the misleading problems with generators is when it has 120/240 plugs and is rated for 5000 combined watts (continuous), each "side" of the generator only produces 2500 watts at 120volts. That means nearly no capacity for large inrush current when running a 120volt mig.This explains why a person needs well over double the machine when running a small mig - you only plug it into one of the main windings.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Originally Posted by Bronzy... 15 amps x 120 v = 1800 watts...
Reply:Need a 7500 watt to do anything buy a gas welder use the AC for the grinder or better yet weld better no grinder needed.
Reply:a 6000 quality does a whole lot. 200 amps AC/DC inverter tig, little less output when running stick , and way over 200 amps wire-feed. One thing is you get a arc quality much better overall then any engine capable of all those processes. It just depends what weight, you want to carry.and the things you will be doing. I would take a quality 6000 that produces cleaner/more stable voltage, then a run of the mill 7500 generator. Have a 6k. and a 8k sitting right here to prove that point. If you have a generator with a 120/240 switch,generally you can get full output from the 120 volt side.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Thanks for all the responses:Brandx, Pavin, Oldendum, MinnDave, SuperArc, Broc, BDI, DRF, and Mad Welder!Very informative, and appreciated!So, I'll let go of thinking that a 2000 watt Honda will work, but if I come across a 2400 watt yamaha, I'll see if I can plug my machine in and test it. I like the idea of being able to carry the generator without killing myself. But maybe I'll end up with a long extension cord to get power to the location. Has anyone attached a generator head to a gas powered air compressor? This has some appeal to me:much space savingcool ideaDownsides:complicated; installation, Can the 11hp honda handle both air and electricity?Is there a way to engage the generator head, or does one have it permanently running with a pulley? Has anyone tried something like this? Thanks,Bronzy
Reply:I don't have a gen set but if I did, 6K continuous or thereabouts sticks in my mind for any serious work. If you need light there are some nice LED flashlights out there. It's just the way it is. There's no substitute for power."USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:Originally Posted by OldendumI don't have a gen set but if I did, 6K continuous or thereabouts sticks in my mind for any serious work. If you need light there are some nice LED flashlights out there. It's just the way it is. There's no substitute for power.
Reply:My 9" Milwaukee kicks the breaker on a 4000 surge 3250 continuous gen. They do make compressor gen combo units but for me not enough airMillermatic 252millermatic 175miller 300 Thunderboltlincoln ranger 250smith torcheslots of bfh'sIf it dont fit get a bigger hammerIf you opt to go the extension cord route, you still need to go big. During Sandy I was running 2 houses off my 4500 watt genny to keep the fridges and freezers running for the week when we had no power. Even my 12 ga 100' cords were showing issues of voltage drop over distance when you had to run 2 to get the power where we needed it to both homes at the same time. If I had to do it again, I'd go at least 10 ga. At the time I couldn't get access to my 100' 10 ga cords as I was using them with someone else for power. The only reason I have 10 ga cords is for long distance use. I'd agree bigger is better. I want to get at least a 10 kw genny for the future, if not bigger. 6.5KW is most likely my smallest option. I've used the little 2K Hondas and they are great for portability, but they just don't have the output for many things I might need a genny to do on occasion..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Yes only good thing about 2kw and smaller is portability.Go much smaller than 2kw and you get into inverter territory. 2kw will run: saw, grinder, smaller air compressor, fridge, lights, welder for sheet metal, just not all at the same time.old Miller spectrum 625 Lincoln SP-135 T, CO2+0.025 wireMiller model 250 and WP-18V torchCraftsman 100amp AC/DC and WP-17V torchCentury 115-004 HF arc stabilizerHome made 4 transformer spot welderHome made alternator welder
Reply:Here is what they have been using at one of the dairys since july of 2013 it gets used about everyday. They are going to get a 7500 generic. The 252i makes the generator work but its gets the job done.Last edited by Milkerman; 03-02-2014 at 08:06 AM.Reason: spelling
Reply:Originally Posted by MilkermanHere is what they have been using at one of the dairys since july of 2013 it gets used about everyday. They are going to get a 7500 generic. The 252i makes the generator work but its gets the job done.
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveOne of the misleading problems with generators is when it has 120/240 plugs and is rated for 5000 combined watts (continuous), each "side" of the generator only produces 2500 watts at 120volts. That means nearly no capacity for large inrush current when running a 120volt mig.This explains why a person needs well over double the machine when running a small mig - you only plug it into one of the main windings.
Reply:The 181i runs real well on the 7500 gernerac, its runs also real well on the 5500 watt gen we had it up to 188 amps for about 5 sec and then tripped the 240 volt breaker. The 252i works the 7500 watt gen if you try to run to high of a amperage. The 7500 also runs the hobart stickmate with no problems if your less than 150 amps. All these generators are set up to get into free stall barns without getting a tractor and pto generator out . The idea was to get the repairs done faster and also get into areas where the tractor had a hard time getting too.
Reply:This is encouraging. If I can get a 1/8" rod to burn good on DC I will be happy.If I can get a 5/32inch rod to burn good i will be very happy.Has any one tried to power a plasma off a 7kw sized gen set?I want to run my miller off the generator. Air will be supplied by a 7 horse gasoline compressor.Problem is the cutting torch dont work too great on stainless or aluminum and doesn't clean cut very nice over fillet steel welds.old Miller spectrum 625 Lincoln SP-135 T, CO2+0.025 wireMiller model 250 and WP-18V torchCraftsman 100amp AC/DC and WP-17V torchCentury 115-004 HF arc stabilizerHome made 4 transformer spot welderHome made alternator welder
Reply:I tried my PM45 off a Bluestar 185DX. Had a Nema 50 amp 220 outlet on it. Couldn't go more than 27 amps on the power max. Jim Colt said the Bluestar is really only a 5000 watt Genny. It did work on 27 amps ok. I guess a 7500 might get it close to 45.TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 Magnum
Reply:Good. I run my miller at 30 to 35 amps about 90% of the time any ways. Sounds like I wont have to give up anything. I have not amp clamped the miller under load. Guess I will be doing that this week and finding out onw way or another.For 10 years I ran the plasma off a 30 amp clothes dryer circuit and it never once threw that 30 amp breaker.My 7kw generac is rated to make 29 point something amps of 220.The plasmas manual says it "requires" a 30 amp circuit.old Miller spectrum 625 Lincoln SP-135 T, CO2+0.025 wireMiller model 250 and WP-18V torchCraftsman 100amp AC/DC and WP-17V torchCentury 115-004 HF arc stabilizerHome made 4 transformer spot welderHome made alternator welder
Reply:No less then a 5000 from my experience... Plug a lightbulb in the 110 receptacle just to keep the revs up to speed... That way there is no lag-time in rev-up... Most people do not use a large enough power cord either... All my cords for 110/220 machine3s are 10-3 with a ground.....
Reply:Most of my cables are 10ga and 8ga, with a recent 6ga addition.old Miller spectrum 625 Lincoln SP-135 T, CO2+0.025 wireMiller model 250 and WP-18V torchCraftsman 100amp AC/DC and WP-17V torchCentury 115-004 HF arc stabilizerHome made 4 transformer spot welderHome made alternator welder
Reply:Other option would be an onan out of an rv. There always around on Craigslist and are way more heavy duty |
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