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Do they make 5/64" 6011?Sent from my SPH-M950 using TapatalkMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DCWeldcraft A-150VSmith O/P
Reply:Whats wrong with 3/16"Disclaimer; "I am just an a$$hole welder, don't take it personally ."
Reply:Will that work with a small 110 machine?Sent from my SPH-M950 using TapatalkMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DCWeldcraft A-150VSmith O/P
Reply:A 3/32 will if you can give it 50 ampsLincoln Electric:Ranger GXT 250SA-200LN-25Pro MiG 256Pro Mig 180Esab CV 251Invertec 160Victor Torches”
Reply:3/32 will work within 40 to 80 amps which most 110 stick welders will put out easily.Vantage 300 kubota ,miller 304 xmt ,lincoln ln 25 pro , ranger 305 G, plenty of other tools of the trade to make the sparks fly.
Reply:Which brand do you guys like?Sent from my SPH-M950 using TapatalkMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DCWeldcraft A-150VSmith O/P
Reply:I really like Hobart's 335A 6011! It must have arc stabilizer in the flux, I find it's childs play to run. Attached ImagesDon’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Goin to TSC now to give the Hobarts a trySent from my SPH-M950 using TapatalkMiller Dialarc 250 AC/DCWeldcraft A-150VSmith O/P
Reply:Don't buy the 335C. It's as crappy as Lincolns 180. 180 was a good rod Bubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:Hobart makes 5/64" 6011's. I forget where I've seen them, TSC, Sears or some place else. 5/64" rods are tougher to locate than 1/16" ones though.From what I've seen even though the amp ratings says 3/32" 6011 should run off small 110v machines, experience shows them to be spotty. My guess is the marked amps don't correspond well to what the units actually put out, or the voltage variations due to cords, and other things plugged into circuits drastically affects how well those little units run. I've seen some units that have no issues running 3/32" 6011 and others that you could easily tell they needed more juice to run them properly. Better machines like the TA 95 seem to run 3/32" 6011 better than some of the HF units I've seen..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Sadly, Lincoln, Hobart, ESAB, Forney, Washington Alloy, nor Horrible Fright currently make 5/64" 6011's.  I've searched and searched.   Checked their websites multiple times. Here my .02cents worth of (worthless) opinion on the super thin stick electrodes.....  If you think about it, what's the purpose of both 1/16 and 5/64?  It's to weld extremely thin sheet metal.  Lincoln, Forney and Washington alloy do make 5/64" 6013's. 6013 is made for sheet metal.  So with thin sheet metal, one doesn't really need a "deep penetrating" electrode like 6011 and I believe this is the reason why the big manufacturers don't make a 6011 smaller than 3/32" in size.   It's just a theory of mine anyway.  Sure the 6013 won't weld through crap like 6011 does, but on very thin sheet metal with a 110v welder and a CLEAN joint, the 6013's seem to get the job done.  In my opinion, the "weak penetration" fact as discussed commonly with the 6013's is really a moot point for welding sheet metal thinner than 1/8" in thickness. I am currently experimenting with Forney and Lincoln 5/64" 6013's with my 110v "hand warmer."  I "thought" I was going to really like the Forney electrodes, prior to any unofficial testing by myself.   I had to special order 2lbs of Lincoln 5/64" 6013's from Lowes and I purchased the Forneys off the shelf from my LWS.   To me, the Lincoln's are SUPERIOR  to the Forney 6013's in 5/64" dia on 1/8" thick steel or less.  They seem to "wet-out" better, produce a smoother looking bead appearance and initially light-up easier.  I'm using my 110v transformer based Forney 95FI-A stick welder for my own informal tests.  I've tried some Lincoln Fleetweld 3/32" 6011's with the 110v set on "full tilt."   Even though the Forney claim is that my machine can crank out 90-95 amps (depending on which piece of literature you read), I find that the welds are marginal at best with 6011's.  Then again, I'm extremely anal and a self perfectionist with stuff.  What I may (mistakenly) consider to be only "fair,"  others may consider it  "good."  I've been that way all my life. So now, I'm "sticking" with 5/64" 6013's exclusively for the little 110v welder.   Oh and for me, the little 1/16" "angel hair pasta" sized electrodes are really only good for red neck tooth picks.  They don't light up that easily on a low OCV transformer based welder, in my limited experience with them.  Even with my AC/DC-225, they are only marginally better suited.For those with an inverter based 110v stick welder, non of the information given above may even be relevant.  My experiences and observations on the above info is based on TRANSFORMER wound welders.Lincoln Power Mig 216Lincoln AC/DC-225/125Miller  625 X-Treme PlasmaMiller 211 Forney 95FI-A 301HF 91110Victor Journeyman O/PMilwaukee DaytonMakita  Baileigh NRA Life Member
Reply:I've run Lincoln, Hobart and Forney 3/32" 6011 rods on both the HF 80A toaster and recently an ESAB Miniarc 161LTS with no problems.
Reply:I should add another worthless opinion here... I think a 110v stick machine is NOT well suite for the beginner sick welder.  For one reason, the 110v boxes have a very low OCV and just striking and maintaining the initial arc is more of a challenge, than as the bigger 220v buzz boxes.   I would never start a bran new person to stick welding on a 110v box.  Maybe this is yet another reason why the Lowe's, Home Depots and such only sell 220 AC stick machines on their shelves. The little toaster oven machines can be frustrating to even intermediate experienced welders from comments I've read about them.Lincoln Power Mig 216Lincoln AC/DC-225/125Miller  625 X-Treme PlasmaMiller 211 Forney 95FI-A 301HF 91110Victor Journeyman O/PMilwaukee DaytonMakita  Baileigh NRA Life Member
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArcI should add another worthless opinion here... I think a 110v stick machine is NOT well suite for the beginner sick welder.  For one reason, the 110v boxes have a very low OCV and just striking and maintaining the initial arc is more of a challenge, than as the bigger 220v buzz boxes.   I would never start a bran new person to stick welding on a 110v box.  Maybe this is yet another reason why the Lowe's, Home Depots and such only sell 220 AC stick machines on their shelves. The little toaster oven machines can be frustrating to even intermediate experienced welders from comments I've read about them.
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArcI should add another worthless opinion here... I think a 110v stick machine is NOT well suite for the beginner sick welder.  For one reason, the 110v boxes have a very low OCV and just striking and maintaining the initial arc is more of a challenge, than as the bigger 220v buzz boxes.   I would never start a bran new person to stick welding on a 110v box.  Maybe this is yet another reason why the Lowe's, Home Depots and such only sell 220 AC stick machines on their shelves. The little toaster oven machines can be frustrating to even intermediate experienced welders from comments I've read about them.
Reply:well said Mr S Arc  Clifton
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPOh bull sh!t! I just acquired this little gem. I helped an elderly neighbor lady clean up her property. 6-dump trailer loads to the dump, 94-tires, 4-printers, 3-stereos, 2-TVs, and this prize! I'm going to sell all my other welders, because this puppy will weld circles around all of them!
Reply:Originally Posted by walkerweldYes, your name shall become legendary!
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPOh bull sh!t! I just acquired this little gem. I helped an elderly neighbor lady clean up her property. 6-dump trailer loads to the dump, 94-tires, 4-printers, 3-stereos, 2-TVs, and this prize! I'm going to sell all my other welders, because this puppy will weld circles around all of them!
Reply:Well there was part of a car that went to the dumps, but I don't know if it was a Dodge Dart or not. Thank God for my grapple on my tractor or I would have never got it in the trailer by my self. Or the couch and living room chairs.Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Drat I'd have wanted the Dart!Actually I'd love to get an early 70's 4 door Dart or Valiant. ( I have a 71 4 door Fury I'd love to restore at some point)  They were nice cars. I'd scare myself with one of the 383 powered Darts though. My old 318 one had enough get up and go let alone the 360 ones. A big block under the hood would have made we want to keep adding power..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by SuperArc... I would never start a bran new person to stick welding on a 110v box....
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWDrat I'd have wanted the Dart!Actually I'd love to get an early 70's 4 door Dart or Valiant. ( I have a 71 4 door Fury I'd love to restore at some point)  They were nice cars. I'd scare myself with one of the 383 powered Darts though. My old 318 one had enough get up and go let alone the 360 ones. A big block under the hood would have made we want to keep adding power.
Reply:I have never seen any 5/64" 6011 but I have seen 1/16" diameter 6011  (1/16 = 4/64).  That said, no way I want to weld with a 1/16" diameter 6011.If this is to be used on a 50 amp output fixed welder via 115 volt input power like some of the pics in this thread then 5/64" 6013 actually works pretty decent on those little crapboxes.  Also, 1/16" diameter 7014 works pretty good too.  While I hate all 1/16" diameter rods the ease of 7014 makes it borderline tolerable.  By far though the best is the 5/64" 6013 in most cases as that extra 1/64" in diameter of the 5/64" really stiffens up the rod compared to a flimsy 1/16 (or 4/64).Frankly, if all you have is a 50 amp output fixed welder then 5/64" 6013 and 1/16" 7014 are the only 2 rods likely to run on a machine like that.  Pick the one that runs best for the joint you are welding and go from there as it is the only variable you can alter other than your travel speed since the welder is otherwise fixed.  FWIW:  I own a 50 amp fixed output welder and the only rods I can run on it are 5/64 6013 and 1/16 7014 if I hope to accomplish anything remotely constructive.Last edited by rankrank1; 03-13-2014 at 12:02 AM.