Venting -down hill !

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Time to vent ,So today it came to a head. The boss (AKA @(*#)^@%*&@^ick head!!!!!)  decided he's going to tell me how to weld! I was adding a 2 x 6 "C" channel to a stub of existing 2"x 8" "C" channel . The channels were web to web with about 12" overlap. I was using 5/32 6011 because of the heavy scale. Even though I prepared/ground-down the area well ,there was still some bad spots. The joint was also a poor fit with some gaps and the web on the existing channel was obviously thinner than the new stock. I look up and there he is - eyes closed - tack welding the new "C" onto the stub! Are you freaking kidding me! Now what was a marginal gap to start with is just a mess.Anyway... I start running the bead at about 175 amps down hill when he starts giving me an ear full of how a downhill bead is crap.Biting my tongue,I tell him you can't run 5/32 6011 up-hill on such a thin lap weld . "Well a good welder can". That was it for me - needless to say tomorrow is my last day there and good riddens !  I carry a 4G cert and am not about to weld anything but this guys head to the concrete. So the question is,- Is there anyone out there that would even try a weld like that? Up-hill?Gizzmo Syncrowave 250 CK aircooled tig
Reply:Weld said piece however you feel like, smack the azzhole over the head with it , then tell him if he recovers that it passed the bend test. Should be the end of anymore nonsense.Miller xmt304,  Miller S22 p12, Miier Maxstar SD, Miller 252 w 30A, Miller super32p12, Lincoln Ranger 9, Thermal Arc 181I with spoolgun, Hypertherm 10000 ,Smith torches. Esab 161lts miniarc.
Reply:It would depend on how bad I need the job.Miller trailblazer301gLincoln sa200Miller251Miller spectrum 625Victor oxy-acc2002 Chevy duramax 3500 dually 4x4
Reply:How thick was the channel? and remember welders are always right bosses just hand out orders and checks.Lincoln pro core 125 14''chop saw7 inch grinder,2-4.5 inch grinders,electric die grinder.Half inch drillAnd alot of hand tools
Reply:Originally Posted by gizzmoSo the question is,- Is there anyone out there that would even try a weld like that? Up-hill?
Reply:Well I don't need the job as bad as he needs ME! LOL I'm a good welder and finding work won't be hard.  His competition has already offered me a position!The new channel has a 1/4" thick web and the existing something like 3/16. The strength is supposed to be in the top and bottom flange part of the "C" channel anyway. Originally Posted by CEPSure I would, with the correct joint prep. I think a lot of people under estimate down hill welding. On the whole it's tab boo in structural welding. But pipe lines are welded everyday down hill. I truly believe there is more to down hill welding than the average guy understands. Have you ever seen how much iron down hill welders can carry? Amazing!
Reply:ida liketa see a pitcher..cant imagine running that hot on 3/16..next time i fire old betsy off ill try  that..me ida ground the scale and run some 7018..but i never hafta go fast to make some ahole happy, so i feel for ya..
Reply:I used to just pull my shades off and ask" What color are these eyes ? "Blue". That's right biitch ! Then I'd bust into my Sinatra; as loud as possible. I DID IT MYYYYYYY WAAAAAAY.That usually shut them up.  They didn't want what would possibly be next.Bubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:I usually just look at them and say "okay". Don't stop looking at them, and don't do any work until they leave. Cut their crap off, and do what you wanted to do in the first place. Uphill, downhill, 6010, 7018, it doesn't matter to me. Best thing to do, though, is work for the man long enough until you can open your own place. I have been on my own for 8 years now.
Reply:Originally Posted by walkerI usually just look at them and say "okay". Don't stop looking at them, and don't do any work until they leave.
Reply:Well I went in today and my foreman ( a truly great guy) filled me in on how the boss /owner came unhinged over my telling him where to get off (but he didn't dare to tell me face to face). So I packed up my tools and down the road I go! Later I got a call from one of my co-workers telling me how he(the boss) tried to weld up hill on the tank today. Just plain dog dirt and there wasn't anyone (me) there that could fix the mess. I just about pissed myself laughing! Justice, how sweet thy name! I've been battling with this guy over the way he pays prevailing rate and today I got a call from the Dept of labor regarding my inquiry.Yea, that call went..He did what?-NO he can't do that-No not ever-what else- NO he can't do that EITHER- don't worry about it I'm sending out the forms as soon as I get off the phone-what- yea have them call me too! His sphincter is gonna tighten up so much his eyes will pop out when he finds out how much he'll have to pay me and a lot of other guys, many of which don't even still work for him!All-in-All a good day !Now where did I put that OSHA number?...GizzmoLast edited by gizzmo; 03-27-2014 at 06:48 PM.Reason: added conversationSyncrowave 250 CK aircooled tig
Reply:A good trick that works with those kind of F sticks is to get them to look toward the stinger and give them a little eyeflash, usally does the trick of getting them out of the way .Miller xmt304,  Miller S22 p12, Miier Maxstar SD, Miller 252 w 30A, Miller super32p12, Lincoln Ranger 9, Thermal Arc 181I with spoolgun, Hypertherm 10000 ,Smith torches. Esab 161lts miniarc.
Reply:Originally Posted by gizzmoWell I went in today and my foreman ( a truly great guy) filled me in on how the boss /owner came unhinged over my telling him where to get off (but he didn't dare to tell me face to face). So I packed up my tools and down the road I go! Later I got a call from one of my co-workers telling me how he(the boss) tried to weld up hill on the tank today. Just plain dog dirt and there wasn't anyone (me) there that could fix the mess. I just about pissed myself laughing! Justice, how sweet thy name! I've been battling with this guy over the way he pays prevailing rate and today I got a call from the Dept of labor regarding my inquiry.Yea, that call went..He did what?-NO he can't do that-No not ever-what else- NO he can't do that EITHER- don't worry about it I'm sending out the forms as soon as I get off the phone-what- yea have them call me too! His sphincter is gonna tighten up so much his eyes will pop out when he finds out how much he'll have to pay me and a lot of other guys, many of which don't even still work for him!All-in-All a good day !Now where did I put that OSHA number?...Gizzmo
Reply:That would aggravate me as well. I know my job, and I know the parameters.  I'm deaf, working retail for years and any time anyone talks to me, I have to stop whatever I am doing, and give them my 100% undivided attention to figure out what they want. I've gotten incredible numbers (and amounts) of heat for 'standing there doing nothing' because someone, be it a customer or co-worker interrupted me, and I had to find out what they wanted.  You just can't explain it to them, either, that you physically can't talk and work at the same time.I just let my prickly nature show, and bosses tend to leave me alone because I am hard to get along with (but I do the job better than anyone else.)  Once they figure those two things out, it's all good. Curse those 6 month rotations.Can't wait to get into a welding position. Next month hopefully.MillerMatic 252Miller Xtreme 625Miller Digital Elite
Reply:Guy I used to work with always got a kick out of me.He'd roll in and I'd have the SA(mobile rig) fired up burning X's while assembling columns. He'd be like WTF ? The MM broke. Nah.Outa gas ? Nah. I'm bored . He'd just shake his head and walk to the machine area mumbling something about goofyaszcrazymofohippie.Bubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:Gizz, just remember he's a nuclear engineer! And he can show you the right way to do that crap! The shop sucks without you around now. Come back sir!!!!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Oh and I can run 24s uphill all day no problem lolSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Classic !!!Bubble gumTooth pixDuct tapeBlack glueGBMF hammerScrew gun --bad battery (see above)
Reply:That video had to be based on our shop!!!!! Gizz will get a kick out of that...... Gizz doesn't this remind you of a certain welder we know??? LOL
Reply:YEA but he left TOOCouldn't have been better if the forklift driver says "IS BETTER DEES WAY"LMFAOGizzmo Syncrowave 250 CK aircooled tig