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So i recently just Graduated From a trades school and got my diploma for welding . So far i have filled out about 20 apps and i never get a phone call back . I went to a temp agency today and they offered me a job for $10.00hr . Now thats not worth it. I was getting more working at toys r us distribution center and at west corp. I don't Suck at welding i am actually good but the employers wont give me a chance. I feel that if you took the time out ur life to actually become somebody or at least developed a skill you shouldn't be paid so low welding is art to me .So since so welding jobs will hire me what should be by next move? is there anyway that i can build experience without getting hit with the low ballin jobs? and what are Welding internships and welding apprentices ??? I need some help
Reply:Did you get any welding certifications before you left school? If not, you need to get yourself a ticket. The diploma doesn't do much to attract potential employers. You need a weld cert to go with it. The cert proves to them you have some skills to do the job.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:Now this is just from my own experience so don't take it personal or anything. For every one person that went to welding school and did well there are 10 hundred zillion useless meatsacks that aren't any good for much of anything. That is why most employers won't give you the time of day. The only way to get any experience is to take one of the crap jobs. It sucks, but that is the way it is most places.Ranger 250 GXTSmith Gas Axe
Reply:agree with mrleadman. gotta get some real world paid experience under your belt. that cr@ppy 10 buck an hour gig will pay off later.i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:Its not what you know, its who you know most of the time anyways. I would take that crappy $10hr job and build some work experience. Consider yourself lucky because not everyone gets the opportunity to go to school.
Reply:Did you at least look into that $10/hr. job or planning to do so?Often the low end wage is given but after an interview/test that may change. Just responding to the job opening can speak volumes to a potential employer. You can also find out about their advancement policy and perhaps you wouldn't have to live with the $10/hr. very long.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:So go back to toys are us. Plenty of people have a high school diploma but it does not mean they start out making big money because they took the time to do it.Sent from my SCH-I545 using TapatalkCRIME SCENES, COURT DATES, FUNERALS, RIDING THROUGH THE CITY WITH A BITCH THAT IS JUST BEAUTIFUL IT'S JUST BUSINESS AS USUAL.
Reply:Have you done anything other than filling out a job application? Follow-up phone calls? A visit to the places you applied to? There's more to getting a job in this economy than writing your name and number on a piece of paper or internet form and waiting for the calls to come.
Reply:At one point in my life I was a journeyman, and certified welder. I had just relocated, didn't know anybody, and the union hall did not like transfers at all! Only job I could get was sweeping floors in a fab shop until their next contract was awarded. Now that was a blow to my ego! But sometimes you just gotta do what ever it takes to feed the family!Dont pay any attention to meIm just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Now thats not worth it. I was getting more working at toys r us distribution center and at west corp. I don't Suck at welding i am actually good but the employers wont give me a chance. I feel that if you took the time out ur life to actually become somebody or at least developed a skill you shouldn't be paid so low welding is art to me
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPAt one point in my life I was a journeyman, and certified welder. I had just relocated, didn't know anybody, and the union hall did not like transfers at all! Only job I could get was sweeping floors in a fab shop until their next contract was awarded. Now that was a blow to my ego! But sometimes you just gotta do what ever it takes to feed the family!
Reply:I've seen this very same attitude literally dozens of times with auto body graduate students from local community colleges I used to recruit from. The candidates complete the educational aspect, then expect to walk right into the journeyman level of both expertise, and wages. It just doesn't happen that way. I can't count on both fingers and toes how many candidates were brought into one of the shops, tried out for a few days, weeks, and up to 90 days, then let go as they just weren't delivering the needs, nor had the prospect of doing so. Many times I kept a person on because they had the right attitude and work ethic rather than experience as that very experience is gained over time.To me, that piece of paper you received at completion of the trade school education means little. If you can complete a sample weld test/assembly from a print to a finished product after being supplied the materials and equipment in a respectable amount of time will carry you far. Employers are not looking for your educational background, they are looking for someone whom can perform their needed task. That certificate may get you in the front door, but a bad or lax attitude will allow that same door to smack you on the backside as you exit.Last edited by Slob; 08-22-2014 at 09:15 AM.SlobPurveyor of intimate unparalleled knowledge of nothing about everything.Oh yeah, also an unabashed internet "Troll" too.....
Reply:Originally Posted by Slob Employers are not looking for your educational background, they are looking for someone whom can perform their needed task..
Reply:If you don't take the 10/hr job you won't be standing there the day the 15/hr guy gets fired or calls in sick. - The day when the boss says "here you know how to do this, get it done". When a boss needs something done right away, he doesn't hire from the outside, he promotes from within. And hires another 10/hr to train and keep around as a spare/helperThermal Arc Power-Tech 10/270 stick welderLincoln buzz-boxPurox O/A setupNothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool
Reply:Originally Posted by NinjaRayIf that was true for every job, I would show up at the hospital surgical department with my handy dandy harbor freight .25 cent box cutter and a get er done attitude . Not all employers are the same.
Reply:Originally Posted by Blue-JeepersIf you don't take the 10/hr job you won't be standing there the day the 15/hr guy gets fired or calls in sick. - The day when the boss says "here you know how to do this, get it done". When a boss needs something done right away, he doesn't hire from the outside, he promotes from within. And hires another 10/hr to train and keep around as a spare/helper
Reply:Sounds like another one with the world owes me a top job attitude. Start at the bottom like the majority of us did back in the day and work your way up gaining experience along the way, grow up, nobody owes you anything.REAL TRUCKS DON'T HAVE SPARK PLUGS
Reply:Its funny, a parallel conversation on this exact topic is happening over on my forum I run. The age of entitlement, what a load of crap.If welding is an art form to you, make art in your spare time, and work for "better money" at TRS. I think the better money is at this entry level job, not only are you getting paid a whole lot better than 75% of entry level (min wage) you are also in a shop that you can gain experience in, and potentially open the door for you. The boss/owner may not havean opportunity for advancement for you, but you never know, he could have a friend who runs another shop, that can bring you on. It really is more about who you know that gets you the job. Thats an unfortunate but true part of life. Sometimes opportunities are given to the less knowledgeable simply because they are more well known, more personable, possibly better liked by their potential subordinates. Ive learned every process in my plant, and can do each beyond the expected level, and I have been passed up 3 seperate times for a higher management/pay job title, due to both upper management changes, and people hanging on the supervisors nuts.That very same job started out in the paper at 10 ish an hour. Walked in and got the job at 11.11. Worked that for 6 months as a temp before getting hired in with benefits blah blah blah. Now 3 short years later Im at 17.90 something. Pay your dues, money comes in time. If it were easy, every one would do it.
Reply:Concider it as paying your dues.I started a $10hr. Three years later I'm in the $20-$35hr range depending on the job.ShannonLast edited by ImLow78; 08-22-2014 at 06:26 PM.
Reply:I had to take a real crappy job to get my stuff going. I only stayed for a month and found another job with a lot better conditions. Still it isn't completely in my field, but has a lot of fabrication and skills I can take with me to my next job.Miller Maxstar 200 SDPiperliner #10 Gold
Reply:I missed that Thirsty Thursday boys as I was tuckered out (the joys of manual milling) but I expect you got on without me just fine. I got a couple in the freezer tonight though. This thread is actually an insult to a lot of skilled people out there. There are many people far far far more talented than the op working for not much more than ten an hour.
Reply:Originally Posted by smilexelectricI had to take a real crappy job to get my stuff going. I only stayed for a month and found another job with a lot better conditions. Still it isn't completely in my field, but has a lot of fabrication and skills I can take with me to my next job.
Reply:1. Put a location in, maybe someone could get you some leads for jobs.2. If you want to make money be prepared to move away from where you are.3. I did my time at the $10/hr job, got my experience, learned a lot from the guys I worked with, couple years I moved for a job making twice that amount of money and a lot of overtime.4. The economy sucks so the market is filled with guys who went to school and guys who are experienced with welding. If you really want to make money brush up on a specialized welding that's in demand like pipe welding or underwater welding. 5. It may be too late for this if you think a $50K job should just be handed to you right away, don't act like your poop don't stink because you went to school. I can go pick out 50 welders I know personally that can weld circles around you and not a single one of them went to school for welding, shut up and listen when they have advice and you will go places.I went from learning how to weld in 4-H, putting it to practice doing farmers repairs, to a $10/hr job, to a job I made close to $70k a year when I got a lot of overtime, $50K on a "normal" year, to owning my own shop, because I did my time at the bottom, kept my mouth shut and learned from those that have done it before.
Reply:One winter I was working in the Straits of Georgia. Beefing up a BP oil refinery's dock. My nephew was a second year apprentice working for me. We called it a day about 11:00 at night. Really rough water there in the winter, we used 3-inch braided tie up lines for the material barges. We were securing the material barge for the night, my nephew was loosely wrapping the tie up line on a cleat. I pushed him out of the way and said Steve if you don't get with the program, I'll run your a$$ off. Once I was done wrapping the tie up correctly I stood up and looked at him. He looked like he was about to start crying! I said, did you think they were just going to give you $25.00 and hour? You have to work for it!Dont pay any attention to meIm just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by CEPAt one point in my life I was a journeyman, and certified welder. I had just relocated, didn't know anybody, and the union hall did not like transfers at all! Only job I could get was sweeping floors in a fab shop until their next contract was awarded. Now that was a blow to my ego! But sometimes you just gotta do what ever it takes to feed the family!yellowfl; 10 bucks an hour? my fab shop debut payed 4. i could weld and read a ruler but didn't know squat. i was hungry. real hungry though. i lived,breathed and ate welding for the next several years and read everything about welding i could get my hands on. no internet in those days so i haunted every used bookstore i came across. i went to school at nite for print reading and asked endless dumb questions from the older guys during the day. i did however get a classical education in the iron business. when i left that shop i could work anywhere and for a he!! of a lot more than 4 bucks an hour. so for now forget about the money cause you're mostly a liability till you get some real world working knowledge.i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:Ten an hour walking in with no experience? I went from twenty-five an hour in my old field to eight an hour in my new one just to get experience, and that was less than a year ago.Come down off your high horse, go in with a humble attitude and a desire to learn, and you'll find your lot in life improving.Hobart cutting/welding torch.MM252, and nothing else. My first welder. Buy once, cry once....but I really would like a nice 50/60A circuit to run it at full strength.A bunch of ideas, and not enough time and money to bring them to life.
Reply:To sum it up........If you want sympathy look in the dictionary between sh*t and syphilis.
Reply:Originally Posted by mikecwikTo sum it up........If you want sympathy look in the dictionary between sh*t and syphilis.
Reply:^^^^ +10 30+ yrs Army Infantry & Field Artillery, 25 yrs agoMiller 350LX Tig Runner TA 210, spool gunLincoln 250/250 IdealArcESAB PCM 500i PlasmaKazoo 30" vert BSKazoo 9x16 horiz BSClausing 12x24 lathe20T Air Press
Reply:Well fellas, I think we scared him away
Reply:Originally Posted by turismolover22Well fellas, I think we scared him away
Reply:Originally Posted by turismolover22Well fellas, I think we scared him away
Reply:Originally Posted by ImLow78Prolly for the best with that college mentality. LoL That's funny...Shannon
Reply:I grew up in a family business, Pipeline contracting. Actually the company and myself grew at the same time, dad started it a few months after I was born in 1972. He started pipelining in 1946 right out of high school, took a break to serve in Korea, then pipelined until he passed away in 1992. he was Old School. He was also successful. One of the main things I learned in the day to day operations of it, was how he promoted from within. He always said it didn't matter how much equipment he had, or how new it was. His employees were his most valuable asset. Off the top of my head, in the late 80's, we were hiring entry level laborers at I think about $9.50 an hour. That was well above minimum wage at the time, and also above what our competitors were paying. I think (it's been a long time ago) he was starting experienced operators at $11.50 an hour in that time period (also above the competition) and rig welders were $16.50 an hour on the arm, $9.50 or $10 on the rig. He always said pipeline wasn't a minimum wage job, it was hard work and he expected production. We also provided health insurance for the employee and family if they had family.I saw several laborers start out as laborers, and stay laborers as long as they were around. But if they expressed incentive, they would move up to operators, and a few of them eventually to foreman. We always had at least 2 and for quite a while 3 or 4 welders full time. One of them started in 1972 and was with us until he had to retire in 1996 due to health issues. If we needed more, dad could spend a little while on the phone and have as many as we needed in a matter of hours. People WANTED to work for him. Even the laborers that remained laborers for many years advanced from shovel and skid hands to boring crew, or plastic pipe technicians. And their pay advanced with each step in skill.I know this was long winded and kinda off track... Just wanted to show kind of an employers perspective... I know a $10.00 an hour job doesn't sound too appealing to the OP, but you have to start somewhere, as many have pointed out here. I've hired rig welders that are fresh from Tulsa Welding School a few times in a pinch. A few could weld pretty well. None of them were really any good at fitting on bad tie ins. A few of them weren't worth a crap for anything. Just because you have a piece of paper that says you were trained to weld doesn't mean you're any good at it. Knee deep mud, with a bad fit up and fire because of a leaky gate valve is a LOT different conditions than a booth in a welding school. I'm not saying the OP isn't a good welder, but without some kind of experience with references, you just don't know... Experience is just something you have to pay your dues (in this case starting at the bottom of the ladder and working your way up while proving yourself, your skills and your drive) to climb up the ladder. If you're good, or at least decent enough and show drive to better yourself, you can move up the ladder pretty quickly. OR you'll find the company you went to work for is a dead end, and you'll never realize your true worth employed there. $12.00 may be the TOP of the pay scale at that company... But you can then take that experience and move on to a better company. The main thing is, if you take that $10.00 an hour job, do NOT go there with the intentions of giving less than 100% if you want to get somewhere in this trade. Because, while you're building experience, you are also building something just as important... Your REPUTATION. You can always add to your experience, but it's d@mn difficult to outgrow a bad reputation. You don't want somebody at the $20.00 an hour job you apply at in a couple years to call the $10.00 an hour company and they say, "yeah, he can weld pretty decent... But he has the crappiest attitude of anybody I ever employed..." Or "I think he has potential, but his production was about 60% of everybody else. I think he could do a lot better, but he told everybody if he's working for 60% pay, he was putting out 60% effort..." Those are NOT things a prospective employer wants to hear. I'm not saying you need to kiss the boss's @$$, but if you take the $10.00 an hour job to gain the experience, you need to go in there with the attitude that you may not be making what you think you deserve, but you're using this job as a stepping stone to get to where you want to be.-------------------------Chemetron AC/DC 300 HFSnap-On MM300L Lincoln SP140 Lincoln AC/DC 225g Lincoln SA200 Lincoln SA200 Miller Bobcat 225GVictor torchesH&M and Mathey beveling machinesMcElroy Plastic pipe fusion
Reply:handt; not long winded at all. god bless your dad i bet you learned a lot from him. excellent post with a great point.i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:Getting certificates is fine if you like that kinda thing but its experience people want and I've know welders who have been welding for 40 years or more who have never had any training and they are on top dollar. Start of on low pay and work up, prove to them that your worthy of more money and set yourself a target to get better pay year after year. 3 years ago i was laid off, had to do production welding where the money was crap, i stuck it for 9 months until i found the job i wanted, and each year since i'm getting more and more money because i'm working at bettering myself. Take that $10 job and show them what you can do to justify more $$$$
Reply:I know it was the sad truth when I first started this field. I still have a lot to learn, the biggest thing I have learned so far is to suck it up, cause you always have to do things you don't want to do. But I always keep practicing cause if I am not happy where I am doing nothing is gonna get me nothing.Miller Maxstar 200 SDPiperliner #10 Gold
Reply:Get rid of the "not worth my time" attitude or you won't make it in this business. Welcome to the real world. The school probably told you you'd be making $50-60k+ when you graduated, they lied. Take that $10 an hour job, work hard at it. Get your experience, move up. Take a second job if you have to to make ends meet, just whatever you do don't give me that ****ing bull**** about "not worth my time", that's right up there with "that's not my job" in words you hear from the ****ty employees. Remember, you are not only building experience at your first job you are building your REPUTATION. And a solid rep can be worth just as much as what you make in a year.Last edited by JD955SC; 08-24-2014 at 10:12 AM.Hobart Stickmate LX235AC/160DCRanger 305GVictor 315 O/A rigHope to acquire in the next couple of years: Hypertherm PM45 and Dynasty 200DX
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonNot what he wanted to hear. Would like to know which technical school he went to.
Reply:Originally Posted by M J DProbably be back in a week or so with an upper management position.
Reply:Originally Posted by vpd66Thats funny because thats exactly what happened where I worked. A younger guy right out of the marines in his twenties got a job has an assembler. 6 months later then needed welders. They gave him a simple weld test, he passed, then they gave him a welding job at $18.60 an hour. He worked in the bay next to me and could barely weld. He struggled bad trying to do his job. He was always trying to push the harder welding jobs off on me and constantly avoiding work (welding). He had his nose up the supervisors *** and got away basically not doing his job. This went on for about 8 months then they posted for a shift supervisor in another plant for the same company and he got the job! Image that!
Reply:As the video states. "There is no way you can step in here out of college or trade school and just take off." Pierce is the sort I would want working for me.
Reply:@mikecwik....Thank you for that video. Really enjoyed it.
Reply:Do you ask someone else to proofread all your written communications with prospective companies? You should. Your writing could use some work--that may not be a problem after you get the job, and it's not a problem now if you get a friend or a parent to be your "editor", but it gives a bad first impression if you don't take care with things like punctuation.
Reply:Excellent video. Thanks.Jerry30+ yrs Army Infantry & Field Artillery, 25 yrs agoMiller 350LX Tig Runner TA 210, spool gunLincoln 250/250 IdealArcESAB PCM 500i PlasmaKazoo 30" vert BSKazoo 9x16 horiz BSClausing 12x24 lathe20T Air Press
Reply:I agree with most here. that ten dollar an hour job could potentially be a 40-55k job after some time. I have worked plenty of low paying jobs just to get my experience built and now I have a great paying gig. you just gotta build up that resume. best of luckSent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2
Reply:The willingness to work is essential , when I started a job in the late eighties we were making $12 and hour with minimum 5 yr experience my self and another fellow were in the top top 5 wage earners because we always worked the dirty jobs ,nights, weekends blizzards . we were always there (camp in locker room ) when we couldn't get out . Guys in other shops bitched , told them come on work with us , then the had to go get there car washed or their hair done but wouldn't work overtime.
Reply:Sounds to me as if y'all just got your chain yanked by a one post wonder"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Apply as an apprentice.And Wow them!Buy American, or don't whine when you end up on the bread line. |
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