Boom Pole For Field Repair

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This was my morning project. I had to build a boom pole for a hi lo blade so they could do a radiator swap for a in the field repair on a piece of heavy equipment. Fairly simple all stick welded 1/8 and 5/32 7018. They wanted something quick and told me to slap something together and I told them to hold there horses because someone will eventually use it outside what was intended for and get hurt. So I beefed it up a little. Such a rush, it was finished in two hours first thing this morning and still sitting there when I left   Attached ImagesI hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeThis was my morning project. I had to build a boom pole for a hi lo blade. Such a rush, it was finished in two hours first thing this morning and still sitting there when I left
Reply:Good call on the bar on the top, I assume you might have one on the bottom.  That is quite a bit stronger than plating the sides actually.
Reply:Originally Posted by cd19Good call on the bar on the top, I assume you might have one on the bottom.  That is quite a bit stronger than plating the sides actually.
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Reply:Originally Posted by dbl612nice job on forklift boom. the strap on the top definately helps, but would do alot more if it was on edge instead of flat. keep up the good work.
Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeYeah bud 10/4 on that, I know. I work as a welder in a shop that rebuilds heavy equipment, theres only four of us and close to sixty animal mechanics that shoot from the hip and work dangerously. Most of our specialty tools are all built on site or in shop, so I look out for everyones best interest in knowing that some tools could only do so much, so go look for the correct one and don't be so lazy. If I over built this too much it would get abused for something it wasn't intended for. I had to yell at a guy this afternoon who already was using it with a old v belt as a strap to hang something. No chain on the rear pad eye teather and blades tilted slightly down. Did'nt even get out the door yet and some meat head was already proving my point!   I went off on the guy and he was speechless looking at me like i'm nuts
Reply:The top tube was also a seamed tube, forgot to mention that top strap was put on just for integrity with a seam I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Nice work.However, as much as I hate to be a negative nilly, find out the weight of the radiator the customer wants to use it for.CYA my friend. Add 25% and load test it with certified weights, then put a load rating label on it, painted or not, take pictures and get a hold harmless or other sign off from the customer. "Shorts in a bunch" will bite you in the azzz.OSHA, insurance companies and their lawyers are looking for something to do!You've already seen what happens in the shop you're at. Once that goes out of the shop......... ???
Reply:Originally Posted by millratNice work.However, as much as I hate to be a negative nilly, find out the weight of the radiator the customer wants to use it for.CYA my friend. Add 25% and load test it with certified weights, then put a load rating label on it, painted or not, take pictures and get a hold harmless or other sign off from the customer. "Shorts in a bunch" will bite you in the azzz.OSHA, insurance companies and their lawyers are looking for something to do!You've already seen what happens in the shop you're at. Once that goes out of the shop......... ???
Reply:I don't see much danger in it. If someone overloads it it's gonna fold up at the end of the rectangular. Of course Mike's mechanics know enough not to stand under a suspended load,LOL!! Right, Mike?                                           MikeOl' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:Originally Posted by mla2ofusI don't see much danger in it. If someone overloads it it's gonna fold up at the end of the rectangular. Of course Mike's mechanics know enough not to stand under a suspended load,LOL!! Right, Mike?                                           Mike
Reply:Not very PC of you.  Maybe I'm just "mentally challenged"?I'm in your corner when it comes to trying to make a living in the USA.Since you asked. I was in the automotive field for 20+ years untill 1989. Then I went into the Millwrights for 23 years. Those experiences gave me the opportunity to serve within several global corporations.For their insurance purposes they were constantly looking over their shoulder. Corporate counsil was responsible for the "rules" for contractors. Lessions learned via lawsuits.NOTHING moved forward untill safety and engineering standards were researched and approved. You know - safety first.Believe me, ask your supervisor. If you're company, or you, are somehow immune too those, go for it.Welcome to America. Don't like it, tell your employer to take it overseas like most of the rest.
Reply:Ok, ill still be your friend ok friend I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeOk, ill still be your friend ok friend
Reply:Weldermike,I have reread your first post, please let me know if I have it wrong or not? You built this for your company to be used by your company ,and not for someone out side of your companyto be used by them.If all is true they you did a great job, If you built it for some one other then your shop then you still did a great job on it.Joe
Reply:Originally Posted by steelsmith101Weldermike,I have reread your first post, please let me know if I have it wrong or not? You built this for your company to be used by your company ,and not for someone out side of your companyto be used by them.If all is true they you did a great job, If you built it for some one other then your shop then you still did a great job on it.Joe
Reply:Great job, Mike. Remember, you can't fix stupid! http://all-a-cart.comWelding Cart Kits and accessories
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Reply:Originally Posted by cd19Good call on the bar on the top, I assume you might have one on the bottom.  That is quite a bit stronger than plating the sides actually.
Reply:Originally Posted by ZTFabGreat job, Mike. Remember, you can't fix stupid!
Reply:Originally Posted by dubl_tDambit ZT,why'd you take down Hank III's avatar??
Reply:Originally Posted by ZTFabHe's back by popular demand!
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Reply:You really knocked it out of the park with that thing. In 2 hours they really got thier moneys worth out of you. Good job Mike.I would have put a sticker on it that said "for radiators only" and shoved it out the door.   You can't make a boom that can't be buckled by somebody some how. They say they want it for a radiator then use it to pick up a cat track, chits gonna happen. I bent a spoon the other day dipping ice cream.  They make ice cream dippers for that."The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life." -Theodore Roosevelt
Reply:i say go back and build a truss on that flatbar
Reply:Originally Posted by dubl_tcould you please explain that, thanks.
Reply:Originally Posted by SandyI would have put a sticker on it that said "for radiators only" and shoved it out the door.   You can't make a boom that can't be buckled by somebody some how. They say they want it for a radiator then use it to pick up a cat track, chits gonna happen. I bent a spoon the other day dipping ice cream.  They make ice cream dippers for that.
Reply:Originally Posted by SandyI would have put a sticker on it that said "for radiators only" and shoved it out the door.   You can't make a boom that can't be buckled by somebody some how. They say they want it for a radiator then use it to pick up a cat track, chits gonna happen. I bent a spoon the other day dipping ice cream.  They make ice cream dippers for that.
Reply:Originally Posted by dbl612don't let fox news find out about that spoon. a team of investigative reporters will be at the spoon factory immediately.next thing you know there will be warning tags, an instruction book (don't hit your hand with a hammer, it will hurt),government spoon inspectors, and the cost of spoons will triple. spoons will only be sold to people who have taken a spoon users course and are under direct supervision by a qualified individual. all spoons will be under lock and key (but available in back alley sales or craigslist). end of rant.
Reply:Originally Posted by ZTFabGreat job, Mike. Remember, you can't fix stupid!
Reply:Originally Posted by manningYou wouldn't believe how close you are to reality. We market most of our farm's milk as ice cream we make on the farm. We've been confronted by an angry customer who bent their spoon in a tub of our ice cream. They "never had a problem with the spoon until they tried it in our ice cream." We didn't encourage a lawsuit against their freezer manufacturer and instead offered a pre-softened tub of ice cream to appease the customer. I don't know what happened to the spoon.
Reply:i tell you one thing, when i build a spoon i put gussets on it..
Reply:Originally Posted by weldbeadi tell you one thing, when i build a spoon i put gussets on it..
Reply:Funny stuff guys, just got home from a long day and I really needed a laugh I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeFunny stuff guys, just got home from a long day and I really needed a laugh
Reply:Originally Posted by cd19Ahhhhh,  let me try to see if I can explain this simply....     Imagine an "I" beam.  now imagine an I beam with no flanges on the top and bottom.   You can see that the top and bottom flange is all the strength, the web for the most part just keeps it all rigid and separated.   Good examples would be the wood floor joices that are 2x boards for the flange and OSB web, or metal Bar Joice.   It's not a direct example but you can get the idea.  Obviously having an appropriate width and thickness flatbar on the top and bottom is going to change things too but that is where an actual engineer comes into play.  The OP more than likely just used his engineer on the go experience to build some "overkill" safety factor into this pole so that it will safely lift what he needs.
Reply:Originally Posted by jamesyarbroughI kinda disagree. Not because I'm an engineer or anything but well let me put it like this.Have you ever put flatstock in a vise and belt it by had? Its pretty easy. But if you turn the flatstock and try to bend it long way its pretty dang hard to do. Otherwise people would just lay floor joists flat instead of standing them on the side for more strength. One way your bending 1 1/2 of wood and the other you are bending 3 1/2 inches. The same thing goes with metal.
Reply:The square tube had 1/4in wall which was plenty, the only reason I added the flat strap was to help add strength to the seam, but carry on guys I know your just proving you points  If I wanted I could have made this strong enough to lift the rear wheels of the hi lo off the ground, but like I said it was just a simple project that happened to still be sitting there so I took a pic. I may have to start sneaking other pics of the cool nice stuff I build at work. It just raises to many eyebrows when you start taking pictures. I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:looks good. there is nothing wrong with that at all...i cant believe there were some replies here nit picking it.Miller ab/p 330Hobart champ 16Miller 140Lincoln Power Mig 255Lincoln SA-250
Reply:Originally Posted by manningI don't know what happened to the spoon.
Reply:Mike, Nice job on the boom pole. I built a 10' boom pole out of 2" pipe for my tractor just to use to lift up trusses on my new 3 car garage. . Yours is built a lot stronger than mine! . . The pipe does flex some, but it got the job done! Hobart Handler 190Hobart Spool-Gun 100Lincoln 225 ACMiller & Pipeliner HoodDewalt 14" Chopsaw, GrindersHarris O/AVictor TorchCustom Built O/A CartCustom Welding CartHeavy Duty 16 Speed Floor Drill PressPipe-BenderDrill Doctor
Reply:Originally Posted by j440looks good. there is nothing wrong with that at all...i cant believe there were some replies here nit picking it.
Reply:If you want critiques of your welds or build, this or any other welding forum is the place to go.                                           MikeOl' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:Originally Posted by cd19Your right that a piece of bar stood on edge is stronger than playing down, but when you add the flange to the top and bottom, the Web part can be much lighter while massively increasing strength.  Remember the flange on an I beam is under compression or tension depending on top or bottom. Its not utilizing the flange part the way your thinking.
Reply:Originally Posted by dubl_tThanks cd, that kinda puts a different perspective on it.  If I'm reading you correctly, in the case of the I beam, the strength comes from the upper and lower flanges; not necessarily the web.  I always thought the strength came from the web, that the flanges were there to keep it from twisting.MIke, nice pole.  Sorry for the hijack, if you want us to take this elsewhere we will.  Just trying to learn here.