7018 Vertical Up Stringer Bead Technique (Video)

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Goodafternoon everyone!!I just thought I'd stop in and share my latest video, its on how to run 7018 stringer beads, in the vertical up position...In this video, I talk a little bit about technique, the electrodes I ran, amperage, angles, bead shape, bead placement and a few other things... I made this as a crash course video for anyone thats having issues with their 3G, its not the easiest thing in the world to learn...[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE0q14WgXCA[/ame]This is also the first ever full video I've posted with the "new" arc-shot technique, hopefully you all can see whats going on now, ahaha... Anyway, hope you like it, I'll have more to share here before too long. Have an awesome weekend, everyone!!  [Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:Im sure alot of people will talk trash on YouTube. But you sir will be a true craftsman  in years to come. Would be cool to see some fabrication vids as well. Keep up the good work!!
Reply:Thank you!! Yeah, I get hate mail and nasty comments pretty much on a daily basis... Nothing too bad, just the usual "Ur Weldz suk" and "you look like a faggit" ahaha... Sometimes they get more creative, but that's pretty rare. I don't really care tho, I've literally heard it all by now and when you're interacting with 10,000+ people on a daily basis, you're bound to get some negativity...I don't mind, I just think of bill gates... There are a LOT of people who don't like Microsoft, but do you really think he cries himself to sleep every night in his mansion because of them? Yeahhh, me neither Thanks again for the kind words, I'll have more videos soon [Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
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Reply:Originally Posted by LanseThis is also the first ever full video I've posted with the "new" arc-shot technique, hopefully you all can see whats going on now, ahaha...
Reply:I always found the first pass the hardest especially in a CWB situation with the bevel and the flat side, not a lot of room for the electrode to wiggle and you cant use a smaller rod due to the test rules. Found it hard to not get any under cut, but for the second pass I usually cranked the heat to burn the crap out. Haven't failed a visual or bend test yet haha.Good video!
Reply:Your Videos are great  I think you help people out and Deliver a laugh at the same time   Keep up the good work
Reply:Originally Posted by LanseThank you!! ... There are a LOT of people who don't like Microsoft..
Reply:Out of position stick welding is one of my biggest handicaps. The technique I have been using was in a u shape like I've seen some one doing with no real success. I may give your style a try when I get a chance.Will   Supports Autism Awareness                            My ToysBobCat 225 PLusMillermatic 130Miller Spectrum 300 CutmateEverlast Power Tig 185 Micro April is Autism Month .
Reply:No offense, personally I think you need to work on your consistency before you start trying to show others how to do this. Demos showing substandard beads doesn't impress me much. If I was going to do something like this, I'd have redone the bead to show a decent example on film. I think when your skill improves your vids will be excellent. The second thing is that like most videos yours really doesn't show what I see when running a bead. I don't really see the puddle in your vid. All I see is a big orange bright light. In fact I seldom have seen decent vids that really show the puddle well, though some of the ones Lincoln has done do a decent job. To me vertical up is all about reading the puddle. If the vid doesn't do a good job of showing what you need to look for, the vid really isn't worth much.The above probably reads harsher than I really intend. Don't take this wrong, I think a lot of your vids are good and I think it's important that people get a chance to get exposed to things like this and have an outlet that they can learn from if they can't take a class. There's no way I could do a vid, at least from the video and production standpoint, even if I can do the welds. I'll also admit that not every one of my welds that I do as a demo turns out textbook perfect, especially stick out of position. I simply don't do enough to keep my hand in. I usually need to run a half dozen beads or so to get my rhythm back and get my travel speed dialed in. I do openly admit this to students before I even start. I just look at this from the standpoint of someone who does demos for students who are trying to learn on a regular basis and the fact I'm some what of a perfectionist when it comes to things like this..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeGreat Vid as always! PM sent!
Reply:Great video as always!
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Reply:Blackbart... Thank You!! Gamble... Nope!! Haha I use three very good helmets on a daily basis and I love them all but I don't have a favorite...[Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:[QUOTE=DSW;2513331]No offense, personally I think you need to work on your consistency before you start trying to show others how to do this. +1 Think someone's become a legend in their own mind!REAL TRUCKS DON'T HAVE SPARK PLUGS
Reply:[quote=Old Skool;2514811] Originally Posted by DSWNo offense, personally I think you need to work on your consistency before you start trying to show others how to do this. +1 Think someone's become a legend in their own mind!
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWNo offense, personally I think you need to work on your consistency before you start trying to show others how to do this. Demos showing substandard beads doesn't impress me much. If I was going to do something like this, I'd have redone the bead to show a decent example on film. I think when your skill improves your vids will be excellent. The second thing is that like most videos yours really doesn't show what I see when running a bead. I don't really see the puddle in your vid. All I see is a big orange bright light. In fact I seldom have seen decent vids that really show the puddle well, though some of the ones Lincoln has done do a decent job. To me vertical up is all about reading the puddle. If the vid doesn't do a good job of showing what you need to look for, the vid really isn't worth much.The above probably reads harsher than I really intend. Don't take this wrong, I think a lot of your vids are good and I think it's important that people get a chance to get exposed to things like this and have an outlet that they can learn from if they can't take a class. There's no way I could do a vid, at least from the video and production standpoint, even if I can do the welds. I'll also admit that not every one of my welds that I do as a demo turns out textbook perfect, especially stick out of position. I simply don't do enough to keep my hand in. I usually need to run a half dozen beads or so to get my rhythm back and get my travel speed dialed in. I do openly admit this to students before I even start. I just look at this from the standpoint of someone who does demos for students who are trying to learn on a regular basis and the fact I'm some what of a perfectionist when it comes to things like this.
Reply:DSW - you were a little harsh without giving the usual detailed help you normally give.  Throw him a couple tips, he's still learning LANSE - you are still showing improvement - keep working at it.  Your attitude and work ethic will pay off. Dave J.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Good or bad, a guy who's letting others learn and not afraid to admit mistakes makes a far better employee than those who pretend to be good. Or even those that are good but arrogant.  I have some employees that are good, but so arrogant I'm not sure what they really know. I'd rather work with one who is humble and willing to learn. I have learned much from those ones and many have become much better welders than me. I don't think DSW was trying to sound harsh, just pointing out some flaws. I enjoy Lances videos.
Reply:Wow you guys are the best!! Okay fine, from now on when I do a how to, I'll film seperate welds and mash the footage together, so that way you get under the hood action and nothing's a little on the shaky side because I was reaching around a tripod to film it, lol. I'm going to attach a pitcher of the same welds, same electrodes, method, etc i did beforehand for practice. To be honest I don't really understand dsws comment either but atleast he's willing to admit he can't do better... ????Anyway, thanks again guys. I'm willing to put up with the "I'm better than tho" comments because I know for a fact these videos help people [Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:Hope these work, this is my first time uploading anything through tapatalk on my iPhone...[Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:Good tip/point on the heat rising when going uphill.
Reply:Tone of voice is hard to convey in type, but DSW has the history of being a gentleman and having been supportive of most all who come here.  One critical remark that he prefaces with his concern of it being taken harsher than intended and he is brushed off.  He deserves more respect than that for the time he has invest in helping people like Lanse.  Lanse you say your skin is thick, but your retort belies you.  It is easy to simply ignore the negative and say you are above it, but it is better to take the offense and use it to better yourself.  DSW hasn't disrespected you like I felt your post rebuffed.
Reply:What I saw in the video of the 1st pass looked a lot more inconsistent than what I see there. While I see issues with those in some places I won't rate them as "bad". The one on the left, the left hand bead looks pretty decent. It's much better washed in at the toes that the welds pictured at the right. I do see some spots where it looks like you were moving a bit faster than you might have wanted to, and you consistency does show a few hiccups. Again the right hand piece shows more consistency issues than the left one does. The 1st pass in the video appeared a lot lumpier than I'm seeing here. Maybe you burned it in and flattened it out with the top passes. If I was  wrong, I'll stand corrected. I'll go back and watch your video again later.As far as what I can or can't do myself, there may be some misunderstanding. I have nothing that will take video, thus I have no skills in that area, or in putting video together. Thus I can't do video. Weld wise, these look about what I can pull off if I'm a bit rusty. The right hand piece, specifically the inconsistencies, would irritate me if I ran that for a demo. I know I can regularly do much better. I'm quite picky however and don't like like it when I do demonstrations that don't show things the way they should be. I want to show someone the correct way to do something and give them an example to shoot for. 2nd best doesn't cut it, even from me for something like that. I'm big enough to admit I'm not perfect all the time.Obviously from what many have posted, what I said didn't come across the way I intended. I knew it didn't read quite right, but was too busy and tired to work on changing the wording. I think Scott understand what I was trying to get at.  My point was to critique your demo skills. I think with a bit of tweaking your demos could be even better. I post this having been doing demos for a while now for people. I can guarantee my skills have improved over the years after doing it over and over. I hope this helps clear things up..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:I give you props for the good video, but the welds honestly need work... I spents countless hours getting 7018 to run perfect to pass a structural test, you think vertical is hard try overhead, and pass a test to d1.1 d1.3 d1.4 standards after that we can talk, ps the test took me 3 hours...UA local 32Team weld-coolTeam miller elite tack upMiller pro-staffPs of you can't take criticism don't post videos, some of us do this for a living, welding 8-10 hours a day 5-6 days a week... Take it with a grain of salt and don't be so sensitive... If your going to show a "weld" off it better be perfect or close to it... We all have stuff to learn and improve on!UA local 32Team weld-coolTeam miller elite tack upMiller pro-staff
Reply:Originally Posted by Fishinsin station ...and don't be so sensitive...
Reply:Hmmmm... Yeah, that was the kind of good-ole-fashioned rant like I rarely throw down. Ahhhha, that felt good Last edited by Lanse; 04-14-2013 at 10:03 PM.[Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:If he had made the video a few months ago it would have helped me out a lot. I was stuck on 3g for a month in school. Kept getting stalagtites! Turns out my instructor who was hell bent on 105 amps because it worked for him was giving me completely wrong advise.  Another instructor mentioned turning it down to 90 amps and I soon got it figured out. I guess my point is that when your learning and you get stuck it helps to hear another point of view. Maybe Lance isn't a welding god but you can bet the farm somebody benefited from the video.I got my 4g unlimited cert last semester and I still learned something new.One more thing. This cat is spending a lot of money on this stuff so yall can watch it.
Reply:Just the reaction people wanted, where's the popcorn!!! Honestly there good videos and I watch them all, keep at it manUA local 32Team weld-coolTeam miller elite tack upMiller pro-staff
Reply:James - that is interesting, I've read and heard that with more experience you can carry more heat - your intructor telling you to run 105 amps may be kind of the same thing?I run about 90 to 95 amps 7018 vertical as well.Dave J.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Originally Posted by jamesyarbroughIf he had made the video a few months ago it would have helped me out a lot. I was stuck on 3g for a month in school. Kept getting stalagtites! Turns out my instructor who was hell bent on 105 amps because it worked for him was giving me completely wrong advise.  Another instructor mentioned turning it down to 90 amps and I soon got it figured out. I guess my point is that when your learning and you get stuck it helps to hear another point of view. Maybe Lance isn't a welding god but you can bet the farm somebody benefited from the video.I got my 4g unlimited cert last semester and I still learned something new.One more thing. This cat is spending a lot of money on this stuff so yall can watch it.
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveJames - that is interesting, I've read and heard that with more experience you can carry more heat - your intructor telling you to run 105 amps may be kind of the same thing?I run about 90 to 95 amps 7018 vertical as well.Dave J.
Reply:Originally Posted by jamesyarbroughJust need more practice. I can past the test no prob, but I can get better. It should look as good as a flat weld if I'm doing it. I just have not got to that point YET but I will.
Reply:I like Lance and appreciate his videos, but would have to say his comments here towards DSW were not in keeping with the humility he (Lance) normally emanates, but leans rather toward the side of arrogance.  I for one appreciate criticism, especially of my welding skills AND video skills.  Without criticism, I would not improve much.Lance,When we post our work on the Internet, criticism and praise will come.  You stated that, "if one does not like the videos you post don't watch them."  The same is true when you post those video.  If you don't like criticism, don't post your videos.Comments like: "I never called myself an expert, but if you're so great feel free to make your own video and show us all how it's done..."  reek of arrogance.  You posted: "At the end of the day, if you don't like it, you don't have to watch it."  I would say that this comment does vent frustration on your part, which is understandable considering the YouTube comments you suffer.  But DSW has also spent plenty of time helping others improve.  I would say if you, Lance, can't handle a little constructive criticism that was clearly meant to help you improve, then don't post any more videos here until you mature a little and learn how to conduct yourself with the qualities more becoming of a man.Lincoln Electric, Power MIG 256Hypertherm Powermax 45 Miller Dynasty 280DXSmith O/A torchGenesis of a welding table
Reply:Originally Posted by LanseDa, its just frustrating. I go FAR out of my way to make simple, to the point videos aimed to help newer welders, and then you have rude, arrogant, self-righteous grumps who think they're gods gift to welding jump all over it, making ZERO attempt to see the original intent or aim of how it was posted.Its irritating...But to join it, i'll make a stereotypical response of my own here:*clears throat*"Your welds suck. You can't weld. Under NO circumstances should you do anything to help anyone learn to weld. Look at me, I'm so f*cking awesome... Also your welds suck. I can weld better than you. No, I wont direct a video to help anyone learn anything, because its easier to just sit here and criticize yours. Also, your welds suck"THIS what you guys sound like.But you know what? I dont need this forum, according to YouTube I get less than 3% of all my views from embedded videos on various forums around the internet. My income is NOT dependent on this forum, so lets try this differently.1) If you're interested in learning anything, or if you enjoy my videos, feel free to subscribe to my channel directly on YouTube. I'm told we can promote our own personal websites here, so hopefully this flies, too:https://www.youtube.com/user/ChuckE2009?feature=mhee2) If you are willing to go FAR out of your way to pick apart every little thing in someone's attempt, you must be an angry, resentful, human being... I honestly cannot fathom why anyone would do that on someones legitimate attempt to help another person. But whatever, all I can say is WOW. I've seen a lot of mud-slinging go down here, but even for WW standards, this is pretty bad.Maybe because I know what goes into these productions, or maybe because I know how good it feels to see it "click" for another person my viewpoint is a little objective, but still.Ya know what? Im on a number of different forums, everything from tractors, to motorcycles, things a lot more complicated then melting a little metal together, and you know what they have, that we dont?How-Tos. They have writeups, they have pictures and videos, "how I did this", and the like.And ya know what, you NEVER, I mean literally N E V E R see that on WeldingWeb. I guess now we know why Its a shame, there are actually people who are willing to learn new things, and people who are willing to teach them, out there. 3) There will be no interruption to project videos, builds, or product videos, these things will continue as planned. I'll just leave helping people to people who are clearly the ones who should be doing it, yet don't f*cking bother to make an attempt to because they're too busy complaining about other people's work. 4) Apparently, "If you don't have anything nice to say..." has been replaced with ""F" it, lets hear it". Dang, I guess I must have missed the memo 5) Hey, thats cool, my channel just picked up another 1,000 subscribers in the last few days.... You horrible, mean-spirited people clearly aren't worth my time. I hope to see the rest of you, the nice, friendly, down to earth folks, on my channel in the near future.
Reply:Sounds like someone should refer to section (4) of my original rant...[Account Abandoned 8/8/16 Please Do Not Attempt Contact Or Expect A Reply]. See you on YouTube! -ChuckE2009
Reply:I tell ya what will settle this right now.Weld off! We do it all the time to settle differences.    tack up a fillet assembly in a fixed position and get after it with several different rods. In this case i would suggest a t joint, lapped to an open route butt All in vertical position. Then when someone says something you can just refer to the weld off.Of coarse they get mad and you end up having another but it's good practice and trash talkin fun at its best!
Reply:I think you're running a little cold, and you're moving to quick. IMO..I run 1/8th rods at 120-125. I would run 3/32 at about 90 amps.  I think if you cranked up the amps some, the welds will be smoother. You can see in the pics and in the vid, the welds are a little lumpy.. Alos, if you pause on the sides for a tad bit longer the welds will blend into each other better as well.  To me, it's like your counting then moving the rod up, then actually looking at the weld puddle.. As I said before, just my thoughts..
Reply:Short bus your a bad *** if you run a 7018 uphill at 120 amps with out getting stalagtites!  At 105 my stuff was running down like a river and then half way up the plte the rod over heated and start arc blowing all over the place!
Reply:Originally Posted by jamesyarbroughShort bus your a bad *** if you run a 7018 uphill at 120 amps with out getting stalagtites!  At 105 my stuff was running down like a river and then half way up the plte the rod over heated and start arc blowing all over the place!
Reply:Originally Posted by LanseSounds like someone should refer to section (4) of my original rant...
Reply:[QUOTE=ShortbusWelder;2517081]I think you're running a little cold, and you're moving to quick. IMO..I run 1/8th rods at 120-125. I would run 3/32 at about 90 amps.  I think if you cranked up the amps some, the welds will be smoother. You can see in the pics and in the vid, the welds are a little lumpy.QUOTE]I'm willing to try that - I should have time tonight to run some practice and try higher amps.(after I plow some more darn snow....)Dave J.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Originally Posted by ShortbusWelderIf you're getting arc blow, check your grounding...   If you're getting a build up of weld, move faster up.. All it takes is a little side to side motion, or a rainbow movement, but pause on the sides, and move across the middle..
Reply:I gotta try this too,   wonder how much difference the brand or rod and if it is cold rod or fresh out of the oven?   I don't usually comment on the videos specifically as I can't hear the audio part of them ...Tiger Sales:  AHP Distributor    www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P,  Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma.  For Sale:  Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun.  Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Lanse, Ive gotten mixed reviews on running 6010 with my INVERTEC 250s. LINCOLN said it can run 6010 but others say it cant. Have you tried 6010 on the LONGEVITY and whats your opinion? Ive used 6010's on my INVERTEC but then I also tried them on my AC buzzbox.
Reply:I just ran a few pounds of 1/8 7018 vertical yesterday at 120-125 amps.  In fact I hardly deviate from those numbers whether it's overhead or flat.  I can tell you I don't have stalagtites either.
Reply:Some times all it takes is a little constructive criticism for someone to show their true colors ! If the day comes when you can tig like Zap or mig like ZTfab make a video that will be worth watching but until then you'll only impress beginners who's total hood time is measured in minutes, some of whom will probably turn into excellent welders.Last edited by Old Skool; 04-15-2013 at 10:53 AM.REAL TRUCKS DON'T HAVE SPARK PLUGS
Reply:Its easier to teach someone about welding on forums that do not have knowledgeable, more experienced welders trying to actually help you improve what you are trying to do.Maybe there is a YouTube channel about learning to grow up?ESAB Migmaster 250Ltec ST23 spoolgunMiller Passport
Reply:Originally Posted by Old SkoolSome times all it takes is a little constructive criticism for someone to show their true colors ! If the day comes when you can tig like Zap or mig like ZTfab make a video that will be worth watching but until then you'll only impress beginners who's total hood time is measured in minutes, some of whom will probably turn into excellent welders.