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The stringer video thread could have evolved into a pretty good discussion of technique for uphill.  There's a lot of thought on the subject.All the hellraisers coulda put up some good suggestions, and examples.  Put up, or shut up, ya knowI generally get involved in one of these threads for suggestions, and the input from others.  And I add my feeble attempt to show what I do to solve the problem.You guys oughta let 'er rip, and see what shakes out"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:GRR! i'm gonna shut up! My original intent was to spew whats on my mind and be a complete d!ck if it came to that, but i'll just keep quiet. For Now at least! I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Ive read on this site and elsewhere that 7018 1/8 inch rod could run at 90 to 110 amps. Some like it hotter I guess but Lanses point of running uphill helps heat things up. As far as his rant, he was way to polite the first time around and should have said STFU to begin with as the weldors here arn't baking sugar coated cookies.
Reply:I'm going to follow farmersamm's example and go try different amps.  Just took off the tig torch and ready to goDave J.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:I don't have any sticks in my shop.
Reply:I'm with VPT. Need to get something to run them.... lol. Don't even have a clue what thread you are refering too, but I'm disappointed that I didn't get any popcorn or beer.There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's your duty to determine the right one.Hobart Handler 210Airco 225 Amp MSM Stinger
Reply:I just found the thread and watched the video. I thought it was a very good video even if the weld wasn't absolutely perfect it was very informative and well done!My hats off to you Lanse!
Reply:I'm very interested in hearing everyone's personal techniques and maybe seeing some pics!
Reply:Originally Posted by ThorsHammerI'm with VPT. Need to get something to run them.... lol.
Reply:Originally Posted by VPThaha, wanna split a box of 7018 Thor and try some stick welding?
Reply:Originally Posted by ThorsHammerlol, I don't even have the machine to run it at home. I haven't run stick in almost 15 yrs. Need to get a machine that'll run it and get back into it.I also found the thread. all I have to say is wow. Hope one bad day doesn't scare a good contributor off the site.
Reply:I have been working on my 3g stick for a while now and have been finding and digging all of the info I can,  anyway in a conversation with guy I used to play hockey with who owns a fab shop and has run the 3g test 30 some times told me he runs his coupon at 95 amps. (7018 1/8 vert up)I have practiced a little bit with a Miller inverter and I have it set just under 100 amps for my practice. ( not digital)I am no way an expert just an old fart that wants to pass my 3g before I get much older, getting hard to see as it is.I think it is unfortunate how the other post went way out of shape
Reply:Since farmersamm went and tried it, here is me experimenting vertical up at 125 amps (much higher than normal for me).Had some very old 7018 1/8" (rusty on the ends - LOL)Didn't have a thick enough backer so it warped pretty good - but it worked.I take bad pics so here is the rundown:One terrible restart on capUndercut was not a problem - wets out good at that ampCap height seemed ok but sides not very straight Stringers were actually easier compared to running colderA little hard to get small spacing on a weave since I was going up fasterOverall, with practice I think I could get used to the extra amps on heavy plate. Dave J. Attached ImagesLast edited by MinnesotaDave; 04-15-2013 at 10:52 PM.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:On thicker material it requires more amps.  I feel that 95amps would be insufficient for good penetration on anything thicker than 3/16.  You can tell if the penetration is sufficient by looking at the undercut ahead of the puddle, the finished height of the bead, and how the toes wet in.Stick becomes easier the thicker the plate, for me at least.  More metal to soak up the heat.  Guys who are very good at it are comfortable at any thickness.  I simply don't weld enough to become one of the really good ones.Probably the most forgiving uphill rod is 6010 because it's a fast freeze rod with no slag to speak of.  You can control the heat input by simply withdrawing the arc from the puddle.Dunno that I really thought it was the best way to do it, but.....  I saw a guy do his uphill with 5p by literally blowing thru the material, establishing a keyhole, and building the keyhole up as he went, stacking the filler.  I'm not a pipeliner, and I never work with 6011 or 5p, so I don't really know if this is the right way to do it.  It sure seemed an awful slow process.  The guy took forever to advance the weld.  I suppose there wouldn't be any other way to do an open root uphill weld, but this was a FILLET joint on around 3/16 material"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Yeh, that got hairy. I was also looking for some responses with pics and vids to validate their claims.TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 Magnum
Reply:Originally Posted by farmersammOn thicker material it requires more amps.  I feel that 95amps would be insufficient for good penetration on anything thicker than 3/16.  You can tell if the penetration is sufficient by looking at the undercut ahead of the puddle, the finished height of the bead, and how the toes wet in.Stick becomes easier the thicker the plate, for me at least.  More metal to soak up the heat.  Guys who are very good at it are comfortable at any thickness.  I simply don't weld enough to become one of the really good ones.Probably the most forgiving uphill rod is 6010 because it's a fast freeze rod with no slag to speak of.  You can control the heat input by simply withdrawing the arc from the puddle.Dunno that I really thought it was the best way to do it, but.....  I saw a guy do his uphill with 5p by literally blowing thru the material, establishing a keyhole, and building the keyhole up as he went, stacking the filler.  I'm not a pipeliner, and I never work with 6011 or 5p, so I don't really know if this is the right way to do it.  It sure seemed an awful slow process.  The guy took forever to advance the weld.  I suppose there wouldn't be any other way to do an open root uphill weld, but this was a FILLET joint on around 3/16 material
Reply:Originally Posted by farmersammThe stringer video thread could have evolved into a pretty good discussion of technique for uphill.  There's a lot of thought on the subject. Put up, or shut up, ya know
Reply:Originally Posted by InsanerideIve read on this site and elsewhere that 7018 1/8 inch rod could run at 90 to 110 amps. Some like it hotter I guess but Lanses point of running uphill helps heat things up. As far as his rant, he was way to polite the first time around and should have said STFU to begin with as the weldors here arn't baking sugar coated cookies.
Reply:Originally posted by Lanse: This isnt bad, and you're off to a great start. Its very consistant, which is excellent and hard-to-do...
Reply:I liked the video it show me another way to tackle vertical up because I suck at it. If I could weld everything flat I would be the S@#t. Maybe pop in a disclaimer at the begining of your videos, letting them know that you are not a pro and are still learning yourself.Will   Supports Autism Awareness                            My ToysBobCat 225 PLusMillermatic 130Miller Spectrum 300 CutmateEverlast Power Tig 185 Micro April is Autism Month .
Reply:Originally Posted by farmersammThe stringer video thread could have evolved into a pretty good discussion of technique for uphill.You guys oughta let 'er rip, and see what shakes out
Reply:Originally Posted by LanseYes, in my video, at 90-something amps, I was defiantly on the low side, but thats how I learned to run it, and it can defiantly be done that way. Uphill DOES heat things up, once your plate gets warm, and thank you for understanding Theres nothing wrong with running more, or less amps... Whatever works for you and puts out a solid weld. Also worth noting, is that my welder runs a little hot... That 90-whatever was probably about 5 more than advertised... Thank you! *THIS* is what I was going for. Glad the video helped you This isnt bad, and you're off to a great start. Its very consistant, which is excellent and hard-to-do... I wouldn't hold your breath, its easier just to criticize other people's work... The topic tho, could still be an awesome discussion
Reply:Originally Posted by Matt_MaguireWhen I get a chance I may try to jam a 1/8" @ 140 or 150 amps & see where the the bead takes me. As I remember those  guys back then may have had a very small drag angle on the rod, very small if any, and pretty much running contact.Matt
Reply:Originally Posted by VPTI see your sig now.Look for a TIG machine! Most versatile machine there is. Most have a stick option. I used the stick switch on mine twice.
Reply:Originally Posted by ThorsHammer... but I'm going to have to figure out a way to make room.Originally Posted by DSWKitchens in the modern home are usually under utilized, but make a great shop space! It's already plumbed for the tig cooler with supply and drain and many come already equipped with a 50 amp 230v line prerun. If they don't they are preplumbed for your gas forge! Then there's all that ready made storage that comes stock. You might have to replace the existing counters, but you can make do with what came stock. Most also come complete with a miniature exterior stock door ( ie Window) and some even have a full man door installed. If you are really lucky yours has the option to expand into extra space like the living room/dining room if needed. The wife might be a bit cranky, but you can over come this by explaining you did it so she doesn't have to cook anymore since you'll be eating out every night. ( This also opens up that useless dining room space for even more shop space....)
Reply:Personally, I like working in the kitchen .....I'm divorced though...so I can Dave J.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749I regularly wash machine parts out in the kitchen sink.I just have to pick & choose when I do it
Reply:I've got a sink in the garage just for that purpose. but my wife thinks it's for washing off before I come inside. lol.There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's your duty to determine the right one.Hobart Handler 210Airco 225 Amp MSM Stinger
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWNo dishwasher?
Reply:When you move out of state you are going where you need a " Wood Stove"
Reply:Tried upping the amps more. Most I could control uphill with 1/8 7018 was 135 amps.Started to boil out more metal than I was putting in at 150 amps.Anything over 140 was undercutting.Done experimenting Dave J.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Originally Posted by farmersammOn thicker material it requires more amps.  I feel that 95amps would be insufficient for good penetration on anything thicker than 3/16.
Reply:A sink and dishwasher you say?
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveTried upping the amps more. Most I could control uphill with 1/8 7018 was 135 amps.Started to boil out more metal than I was putting in at 150 amps.Anything over 140 was undercutting.Done experimenting Dave J.
Reply:Originally Posted by JPSNO Pictures
Reply:My thoughts on this whole issue is this is a site for people to share information and help each other not to absolutely run somebody down because they are not perfect and their technique is a little different from yours.  I've watched several of his videos on youtube and I have learned from them maybe he isn't perfect but who is?  The only kind of welding I've actually been taught by an instructor is tig and that was just on carbon steel pipe.  I've pretty much self taught myself from practice and reading articles along with watching videos stick and mig, I even passed a mig test for welding bumpers for a major company.  Even if somebody don't make an absolute perfect weld in a video hey at least they help some people get the general idea and technique of it.  I joined this site to show off my work and I do welcome any criticism or suggestions on how to weld and fabricate better.  I'll take your 2 cents but I won't be run down like people done him thats just stupid.
Reply:Dave I was just messing with you after reading your description However I was hoping to see some welds from anybody at what ever amps they wanted to run them at, it was mentioned above that this could be a good post, for many to learn from and swap techniques.   Just sayin
Reply:Originally Posted by JPSNO Pictures
Reply:His welds are passing all the destructive testing at school, so whats to question? They pass end of story! Making them pretty will come with time, but the bottom line is they pass testing. He comes home from school feeling great about himself,which he should, and makes a video about his progress and feeling good about his progress and gets blasted! WTF!!!! Whats your 19yr old kid doing? Playing fking baseball! Volleyball maybe! Get the Fck outta here and go give your neighbor a hard time cause his dog barks to much while your trying to belittle a young kid. Before Lanses welding videos I used to get a kick out of this kid making FARMING videos as a youngster. Running machinery all by himself while video tapeing as a little kid! Shame on all you guys, go kick your cat or something then evaluate yourselves!I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Weldermike - who are you ranting at and why?Did I miss something?Dave J.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Anybody who keeps ranting about not perfect welds in a video Dave. They pass testing end of story! Thats all bro. I just get tired of hearing nonsense being brought back up!I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Originally Posted by weldermikeAnybody who keeps ranting about not perfect welds in a video Dave. They pass testing end of story! Thats all bro. I just get tired of hearing nonsense being brought back up!
Reply:Busy as heck lately and all I had was my phone Dave and thats a pain, just got to my computer so i'm still on yesterdays opinions. And 7A stoves rule for just what you said! I sit in front of mine till the back of my shirt almost goes on fire then run outside and cool off then come back and do it again, ahh i'm a glutten I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749I'm gonna have one wether I need it or not.Just to say I got one Three phase 460 is gonna happen come hell or high water tho.
Reply:I had to have them change the transformer at my place.  Dimmed the lights in my house when I struck an arc over 150 amps or the big compressor kicked in.Still can tell when the compressor kicks in - no three phase at my place.Dave J.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:i run my 3g 1/8 7018 on plate at 125 to 132 amps allows you to move fasternow on pipe thats a different storyMiller Xmt 350Lincoln Ln-25Ahp 200xSmith Gas Mixer AR/HTig is my Kung FuThrowing down dimes and weaving aboutInstagram http://instagram.com/[email protected]
Reply:Originally Posted by WookieWeldingi run my 3g 1/8 7018 on plate at 125 to 132 amps allows you to move fasternow on pipe thats a different story
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveCool, that's exactly what I was trying to test - I was all done at 135, too hot for me after that 125 was easier for me.  First time I tried hot and fast like that but I think I can get the hang of it...maybe LOLDave J.
Reply:Originally Posted by WookieWeldingyou will get it Just takes practice just pause on the sides till it fills and spend no time in the middle keeping a nice tight arc length