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I've been without a mig for a while since selling my hobart 140. Sold it because the gun was going bad, duty cycle was'nt up to my needs anymore and felt that instead of buying a new gun I wanted to just go ahead and get a bigger welder. I've been looking for a while now I'm wanting a miller 250, 251 or 252 at all the auctions ive been to I have'nt been able to get one under $1400 there or on craigslist. I'm seeing them go for this much when they've been used hard. I'm wanting to stay in the $1000 price range really, as thats how much I got put back. After looking and looking though I've been thinking about just buying a Hobart Ironman 230 at tractor supply and financing it, I do this a lot on home stuff being I have good credit. I'm just wanting un-biased opinions. IS A USED MILLERMATIC 250 REALLY AS GOOD AS A IRONMAN 230? I"ve got a hobart 250 generator/welder and had the handler 140 and never had problems out of either just the gun on the 140. I know somebody will ask what I do with it, I have a shop and I mostly weld 1/8" mild steel sometimes up to 3/8" being we have tractors and stuff. I was just always maxxing out the duty cycle on the 140. Thanks
Reply:If I was in the market today, I would go with the Ironman 230.
Reply:Originally Posted by copeIf I was in the market today, I would go with the Ironman 230.
Reply:A Millermatic 250 and a Millermatic 251 perform totally different. The 250 arc is very crisp to harsh. Weld puddle wet out is sluggish. The arc starts can be poor. The 251 arc is very soft. Weld puddle wetout is very good. The arc starts are very good too.The Ironman 230 produces a soft arc with a touch of crispness to it. Weld puddle wetout is real good . The arc starts are real good too.For my personal home use, if it were between a Millermatic 250 and an Ironman 230, with out hesitation, I'd go with the Ironman 230.If the 251 was in like new condition, I'd have to consider going with it over an IM 230. My main reason being the MM 251 would offer me more spray arc range. Most hobbyist are probably just going to have one of these units set up with C25 shielding gas and solid wire, so for them spray arc wouldn't be an option anyway.If you're just going to run C25 shielding gas and solid wire, an IM 230 offers enough power to handle 3/8" steel with a pretty good duty cycle for the average hobbyist.The 230 is going to have a warranty, a 250 or 251 won't.ESAB Migmaster 250 Hobart Ironman 230Multimatic 215TWECO Fabricator 181i & 211iHH125EZ - nice little fluxcore only unitMaxstar 150 STH - very nice
Reply:Thermal Arc fabricator 210 is selling for $1250, 250amp 16 voltage taps.tackleexperts.comwww.necessityjigs.comhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/mach...dingequipment/
Reply:Originally Posted by brucerThermal Arc fabricator 210 is selling for $1250, 250amp 16 voltage taps.
Reply:Originally Posted by DanI am beginning to think you are a Thermal Arc rep.
Reply:Originally Posted by brucernope, but it is a good deal.. I like the Thermal Arc 211i also, for home/hobby use it would be hard to beat it for the money.. I also like the ironman 230, looks well built..
Reply:Jody gave the iron man a pretty good review, for what its worth.
Reply:Thanks for all the info! I've welded with a mm250 and mm251 at work along with miller regency as well with 92 argon 8 co2 mix. I've worked on all the millers a lot too. I've never welded with no Ironmans though looks like they got good reviews. I just figure I can take a chance with a used miller or I can put the money I got down on the hobart and pay it off in a couple months and have a new one with warranty.
Reply:To give you a little more info on the Ironman 230, I'll add that wire drive assembly is the same set up that Miller used on the MM 250 and MM 251. Due to the inconsistency of the weld quality of solid wire anymore, I tend to run 8" diameter spools of wire at home. No need for a spool hub adapter to center an 8" diameter spool of wire up with the drive rolls on an Ironman 230, because the spool hub has the ability to center up an 8" diameter spool with the drive roll incorporated into the design of it.For my needs (hobby farm) I've been pleased with the performance of the 230. Remember though the one main difference between the 230 and a 251 or 252 (I'd never consider purchasing a MM 250) is that the 230 offers you 12 V taps and the other two unit give you variable control of the voltage across the output range the unit is designed to cover.ESAB Migmaster 250 Hobart Ironman 230Multimatic 215TWECO Fabricator 181i & 211iHH125EZ - nice little fluxcore only unitMaxstar 150 STH - very nice
Reply:Someone mentioned this, but Jody @welding tips and tricks dot com reviews the IM230 here:Jody said:I got my hands on a Hobart Ironman 230 mig welder a while back and filmed several videos with it.Here are the tasks I did using this Hobart mig unit…16 ga (1/16″ thick ) ( 1.5mm thick) hot rolled steel outside corner joint.1/8″ wall square tubing.1/4″ hot rolled steel plate lap joints using both straight co2 and 75/25 argon/co2 mix.root pass in 3/8″ plate beveled to 37.5 degree using a 1/8″ gap.1/8″ thick 3003 aluminum plate practice beads.3/4″ thick 6061 t6 aluminum plate.An aluminum fixture using 3/4″ thick plate and a 2″ thick hub.And here are some observations I noted using the Hobart IronMan 230 Mig welder…The voltage knob has tap settings but I did not find that to be a problem at all.The mig torch cable that comes with the Ironman 230 is 15 feet long and that came in handy for reaching around the welding table.Straight co2 works fine for 1/8″ and thicker, but is hot for sheet metal.For aluminum welding with the spool gun, It was kind of hard to dial in the sweet spot on 1/8″ thick aluminum.As I tried thicker aluminum welding …like 3/4″ thick, it was much easier to dial in a smooth arc.Preheat was the single biggest help when welding thick aluminum using the Hobart IronMan 230 and spool gun.The Hobart IronMan 230 would be a valuable addition to most job shops in the market for an economical mig welder that is powerful and is able to mig weld aluminum.http://welding-tv.com/2012/01/19/hob...-welding-tips/and several projectsSeems to be a capable welder for a good price. Good luck on your shopping. Report back on what you got and how you like it.TxDoc's Photos Lincoln SP175 PlusLincoln Power Mig 256Lincoln 250 LX Spool Gun Lincoln Precision Tig 225 Hypertherm 600 KMG 2x72 Belt GrinderBaldor 812RE Grinder
Reply:Originally Posted by DanDue to the inconsistency of the weld quality of solid wire anymore, I tend to run 8" diameter spools of wire at home. No need for a spool hub adapter to center an 8" diameter spool of wire up with the drive rolls on an Ironman 230, because the spool hub has the ability to center up an 8" diameter spool with the drive roll incorporated into the design of it..
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749I use 60# spools of .035 Hobart uncoated solid wire.Works great, got it cheap.
Reply:Millermatic 200, dang good machine.Tim Beeker.
Reply:Originally Posted by Brand XDo to the consistency of your thick head, you might think that is true. The .030 I bought in 33 lbs has been the best wire I have used ever...Ordered some .035 because of it. Great price for USA wire shipped to your door, and no I am not a Esab rep... Just a concerned citizen.http://www.ebay.com/itm/370705824785...84.m1497.l2649
Reply:i know you asked comparing specific welders, but since it's a hobart, i'll go ahead and mention it. i bought a handler 210 several years ago, got a discount + no tax so i got a good deal. anyways, i know it is a different class of machine as far as duty cycle and what not, but it has proven to be a pretty good little machine. although a smaller machine, it is definitely in a different class than your prior 140 being 220v. just a thought to get you a new machine for less than $1k.
Reply:Originally Posted by Brand XDo to the consistency of your thick head, you might think that is true. The .030 I bought in 33 lbs has been the best wire I have used ever...Ordered some .035 because of it. Great price for USA wire shipped to your door, and no I am not a Esab rep... Just a concerned citizen.http://www.ebay.com/itm/370705824785...84.m1497.l2649
Reply:Santa could not find one, he was late to the black Friday sale.. The wider base on the 260/300 allow for the angled hub design. Keeps the tension more consistent,but I still used the the 4 HD parts.(Spindle/id.-od washer),Hub, and tightening ring) It was a direct change over from the standard Multimaster. The mounting bolt was accessible from inside the storage container. Made for a easy swap. I only mentioned that, because you made fun of the width of the machine. Does not matter since I run two bottles on it anyway, and like the storage for tips/guides/ rolls/tig torch, and pedal. Nice to get rid on the clip style altogether. Attached ImagesLast edited by Brand X; 01-08-2013 at 01:03 PM.Esab/Lorch ET-220iEsab 160i caddyThermal LM-200 Lincoln feedersThermal Pee-Wee 85sThermal 60i- 3phase /RPC powered (Beast)Thermal Drag-gun 35CINE 1500 Klutch 140i
Reply:Alright guys got a Millermatic 200 lined out if I want it gonna go look at it tomorrow, gotta drive 130 miles to get it which ain't too big of a deal. I've read these are good machines and weld excellent. Think its a fair deal but not sure, guy said it welds good with no problems and he had a makita chop saw to throw in with it as well. He wants $950 and here are the details. Milltermatic 200 Unit comes with 33 lbs of .035 wire, 75/25 argon bottle, flow gauge regulator, and 50' of 220 V lead, so you can move the welder that amount of distance when welding. Tweco idustrial gun. I will hook it up so You can weld with the unit and see how nice it welds, and rarely gives any trouble.He was a painter , so there is some overspray on the machine, but will come off. Guy said hes selling for a woman welder belonged to her husband and he died, he does not know if it is a owned or leased bottle. Also it is a white face model. I've attached the picture. If it don't look good I'm thinking about just stopping at northern tool and picking the ironman up Attached Images
Reply:Great machine. I have one. Durable as hell and the same output as the 250 class, they just rated it at 60% duty cycle.That's a bit pricey. Check the ring around the bottle neck for a company name. By me, they will still fill a company bottle, but in alot of places they'll send you walking.That's a little pricey for that machine. I'd say with the bottle and cord, $750. Tell him the bottle may be useless. Mig welders are more expensive in your parts than in mine. My MM200 was a rat of a machine, but I got it with a full spool of .030 70S6 and a working Spoolmatic 1 for $299.http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php...ght=Mm200+REDOLast edited by Drf255; 01-12-2013 at 06:03 AM.TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 Magnum
Reply:Originally Posted by Drf255Great machine. I have one. Durable as hell and the same output as the 250 class, they just rated it at 60% duty cycle.That's a bit pricey. Check the ring around the bottle neck for a company name. By me, they will still fill a company bottle, but in alot of places they'll send you walking.That's a little pricey for that machine. I'd say with the bottle and cord, $750. Tell him the bottle may be useless. Mig welders are more expensive in your parts than in mine. My MM200 was a rat of a machine, but I got it with a full spool of .030 70S6 and a working Spoolmatic 1 for $299.http://weldingweb.com/vbb/showthread.php...ght=Mm200+REDO
Reply:The MM 200 is a 20+ year old unit. Items like the contactor and filter caps could be getting to the point were they're needing to be replaced. If I am remembering correctly, I think the wire drive motor is obsolete. I would suspect that the control board is obsolete too. The sockets on the face of the machine have a history of melting down, so definitely give them a look. I'd pull the cover (wrapper) off the unit and take a look at the condition of all the internal components.The MM 200 is going to give you more top end power and a little better duty cycle then the Ironman 230. The Ironman 230 of course is going to come with a warranty and new components that hopefully shouldn't need replacing for quite a few years.ESAB Migmaster 250 Hobart Ironman 230Multimatic 215TWECO Fabricator 181i & 211iHH125EZ - nice little fluxcore only unitMaxstar 150 STH - very nice
Reply:Got it for $850 with the chop saw and 5 blades as well. Got tired of looking. It's in great shape, inside is in superb shape has a little overspray on the one side because guy was a painter. He even kept a light in the panel all the time to keep humidity out of it. Welds smoother and nicer than any mig welder I have ever touched I love the way it welds. Only thing I do not like about it is the gun works good but it is a old tweco large body gun and only a 10' cord, I'll probaly be looking for a adapter to put a newer 15' tweco or bernard on it. Also do not like the loud fan being on all the time thinking about putting a switch or thermostat on it? Overall I'm pretty satisfied with the welder especially with how it welds, may of paid too much may not I don't know and don't care just glad to have a mig in my shop again. By the way all I own is old stuff vehicles along with welders, I'm used to working on stuff. Bottle is from Airgas if I can get it filled fine if not I've got 2 bottles that I own although they are smaller. May wish I'd went with the ironman later if this thing gives me real problems but I don't foresee it at the moment
Reply:Mines a black faced unit. Mine has fan on demand, so there should be a way for you to change over.I got a Bernard Q300 on eBay for 125 shipped. Duanneb55 is the resident expert on the machine. He should be able to tell you what guns will interchange. The welder is tuned for using 100% CO2, so you could go the cheaper route with gas on it.It's got a 280 amp max output and is a durable machine. Parts are still very much available for it.Good luck with it. Some still argue its the best Miller ever made. Many are still in use.TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 MagnumThanks for the info took the cover off today and blew it out looked like it had never been off before. Everything looks good on it to me. On the co2 I've never used it always used 80/20 or 92/8 at work may think about trying it though. Done a few small projects today I've been wanting to get done with it everything is working excellent on it. I'm gonna definatley have to get me a 15' gun eventually though |
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