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i mean not just assembled here are the board made here. the steel stamped, bent, and painted here, the plastic extruded here please let me know
Reply:No. My Lincoln squarewave Tig 175 was assembled in Mexico.
Reply:A lot of "made in America" products are assembled here with global parts. My guess is that PC boards are not made here but I believe Miller still has some wiring harnesses that are made in Appleton.
Reply:thank's for the reply the differance between a good company and a bad one is how they take care of there problems
Reply:The FTC has guideline (that haven't been officially approved) that suggest that at least 75% of the cost of manufacturing is spent in the US (labor) you can claim "Made in USA". It is unclear what Miller uses.Many components (fuses, breakers, switches etc. are made in foreign countries.... only - good luck even finding a made in USA version).You might want to read this:http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/794430_.htmlIt talks about the Leatherman case. Apparently in California it was/is illegal to profit off something that says made in USA if even a component is not made in USA.Bottom line, a significant part of the expense of building a Miller goes to pay USA salaries - which in turn buys more stuff in USA. With Hobart and Lincoln the story is a bit more fuzzy, but they let you know on the box where it is built.Con Fuse!Miller Dynasty 350Millermatic 350P-Spoolmatic 30AMiller Multimatic 200Hypertherm PowerMax 1000G3Miller Maxstar 200DX
Reply:Originally Posted by con_fuse9The FTC has guideline (that haven't been officially approved) that suggest that at least 75% of the cost of manufacturing is spent in the US (labor) you can claim "Made in USA". It is unclear what Miller uses.Many components (fuses, breakers, switches etc. are made in foreign countries.... only - good luck even finding a made in USA version).You might want to read this:http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/794430_.htmlIt talks about the Leatherman case. Apparently in California it was/is illegal to profit off something that says made in USA if even a component is not made in USA.Bottom line, a significant part of the expense of building a Miller goes to pay USA salaries - which in turn buys more stuff in USA. With Hobart and Lincoln the story is a bit more fuzzy, but they let you know on the box where it is built.
Reply:Lincoln manufactures products in 17 different countries I believe. My idealarc 250 has a made in Canada decal on it.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:Its pretty hard to find anything completely made in the USA. Taiwan makes most of the computer boards that are out there. Over 99% if I remember correctly. Chances are no matter what you buy, part of it was made somewhere else.Craftsman 90 amp Arc welder
Reply:A quick Google search shows that Hobart, Lincoln and Miller all have factories in China.Craftsman 90 amp Arc welder
Reply:Originally Posted by lighttekkuA quick Google search shows that Hobart, Lincoln and Miller all have factories in China.
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55Don't know if any ship to the states from there though.I think you'd also find they still maintain the same level of product quality as in the states and not focused on being the cheapest using substandard, out of spec, rejected by other manufacturers components.
Reply:Miller does not own Hobart, Hobart is owned by ITW who also owns Miller and dozens of other companies http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Tool_Works Tiger Sales: AHP Distributor www.tigersalesco.comAHP200x; AHP 160ST; MM350P, Spoolmatic 30A; Everlast PowerTig 185; Thermal Dynamics 60i plasma. For Sale: Cobra Mig 250 w/ Push-pull gun. Lincoln Wirematic 250
Reply:Originally Posted by soutthpawMiller does not own Hobart, Hobart is owned by ITW who also owns Miller and dozens of other companies http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Tool_Works
Reply:Well we cant have this conversation without bringing up labor unions.
Reply:Originally Posted by vwguy3A lot of "made in America" products are assembled here with global parts. My guess is that PC boards are not made here but I believe Miller still has some wiring harnesses that are made in Appleton.
Reply:i am glad you brought up labor unions what happens when they build a robot that can be programed to do anything you want it to20 years from now are there going to be any menial tasks done be hummens the auto builders devoleped the first welding robots that i ever saw that were the first in praticethe afordable plasma cutter cnc machine is the next step to people not having any work the welbot isn't that far behindi am not saying good or bad but consider the thought 20 years from nowmy wife already wants a madebot
Reply:Yeah. Someone's gotta be the jerk to stir the pot. I still can't make up my mind on the subject. I'm gonna unsubscribe now too. This always gets ugly.
Reply:Originally Posted by johncalbersi am glad you brought up labor unions what happens when they build a robot that can be programed to do anything you want it to20 years from now are there going to be any menial tasks done be hummens the auto builders devoleped the first welding robots that i ever saw that were the first in praticethe afordable plasma cutter cnc machine is the next step to people not having any work the welbot isn't that far behindi am not saying good or bad but consider the thought 20 years from nowmy wife already wants a madebot
Reply:made new thred on weldbots i don't want to disuss union or non union this will afect everyone in the trade
Reply:If your wife wants a maidbot make shure it is not a MALE one or you too will be with out a job!!
Reply:she hates computers
Reply:Who cares about where their made?They are still the best!!
Reply:Originally Posted by AKweldshopWho cares about where their made?They are still the best!!
Reply:Originally Posted by johncalbers20 years from now are there going to be any menial tasks done be hummens the auto builders devoleped the first welding robots that i ever saw that were the first in praticethe afordable plasma cutter cnc machine is the next step to people not having any work
Reply:Well I contacted Miller. They said that "All products are assembled and for the most part manufactured in Appleton, WI"To keep this short - paraphrasing a bit:"Some components, like those _on_ PC boards, are not made in USA." The implication is that PC boards _are_ made in USA.I paraphrased that last sentance a bitCon Fuse!Miller Dynasty 350Millermatic 350P-Spoolmatic 30AMiller Multimatic 200Hypertherm PowerMax 1000G3Miller Maxstar 200DXi am really confused now did they answer the question it should been yes or no or we only import so many persent of items to assemble in america
Reply:The response was not directly to my question.I asked what does "Made in USA" mean to Miller.This is the full response:"Miller machines are manufactured in Appleton, WI. Some components may or may not be available in the USA. As a result these components which are in the product are not manufactured in the USA. These parts are typically used on PC Boards or other assemblies in the Machines. So all products are assembled and for the most part manufactured in Appleton, WI."BTW, There are plenty of companies that still build circuit boards in the USA. Keeping in mind that you need to build the board and then populate it. This is pretty much done by machine with "pick and place" machines that glue down the components just long enough that it can be wave soldered. Since its 99.9% an automated process, its almost as cheap to do it here vs. outsource. So I can believe the circuit boards are fabricated here in USA (or even Canada).When it comes to outsourcing. Companies attempt (like Milwaukee) to design stuff here and just build it at cheaper factories. That can work but its not cheap. You need to work very very closely (lots of plane trips to China) and understand exactly what components are being ordered and to what standard. Ask Chrysler about the issue with brake lines. The Chinese steel had (from one engineer) less nickle in it and rusted - resulting in failed brake lines (Happened to me and two separate friends - one while driving at 40mph). I guess they weren't 100% clear about the corrosion resistance (whoops). This leads to worsening of products in the short run. Call it a learning curve. The second part is that as you outsource, you loose internal expertise. Ask Boeing how their Dream Liner is fairing with the battery issues. Normally, with a decision to switch to lithium batteries, Boeing would have built up an internal department that was expert.... as in "someone's life is depending on this stuff to work and work safely" expert. Instead, they outsourced and got slammed when they have smoke and fires origination from the batteries. How to fix the problem? Forget fix... How to identify the problem? Bottom line, loss of expertise means loss of quality in the product.Yes outsourcing/building in China is cheaper, however the products are not as good. The only question is if you can live with the quality.If your a contractor that beats on his tools, leaves them at work sites etc. Basically buying new tools every month, you don't need anything that last 20 years. Buy whatever HomeDepot carries. If you want the tools to work for 20 years - and have spare parts available at the 20 year mark, consider something else.Last edited by con_fuse9; 10-23-2014 at 12:21 PM.Con Fuse!Miller Dynasty 350Millermatic 350P-Spoolmatic 30AMiller Multimatic 200Hypertherm PowerMax 1000G3Miller Maxstar 200DX
Reply:Interesting video from WTL in China. I believe my Thermal Arc 161STL is made by these folks. Not exactly a backyard operation."USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:Originally Posted by OldendumInteresting video from WTL in China. I believe my Thermal Arc 161STL is made by these folks. Not exactly a backyard operation.
Reply:this vidio should be on the "how its made show"to be able to repair equipment for 20 years brand x salesman said his friend has an old miller plasma cutter and can't get an circute board for, i don't know the age of the miller in question could be the first one they made 30 years agoi have a miller and and i am glad that i will be able to have it repaired, for 20 years, it will out live memy father in law was a forman at a ford plant and keeps up a little on the subject, he is sitting next to me and ask what i was doing he is 84 years old since 1974 the body shop to assemble parts spot weld from units hanging overhead by hand went from 16 man hours then down to 8 man hours today and maybe less
Reply:The real issue with the Chinese stuff is quality control. You gotta have a corporate rep there who A) Actually cares more about quality control than saving $$ and B) can explain to them what needs to be done so they can hit the QC level in the most efficient way. If you leave QC up to someone, in ANY country, whose paycheck depends on rapid production of said product you will have problems in the marketplace. Miller's doing an incredible job no matter what percentage of their product is made wherever. People will pay 3-5 times more for Miller stuff if they care how long it will last. Me, I have a Lincoln I snagged on Craigslist cheap. Made in Poland. Works great for WHAT I NEED IT FOR, which is horsing around. If I had a business that depended on my machine being operable and consistent I'd take the most common welding advice ever given and "Buy a Miller". Yes a lincoln is good, so are everlast and Thermal arc etc .. but if you really really don't want any sort of variable in the equation when it comes to reliability you "go blue." This from a guy who may never spend his own money on a Miller. I've used em. And I may use more in someone elses shop. But for me I don't see the need to spend the extra cash. But if I did I'd listen to the experts. *lots of coffee this morning. |
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