Soda Can Welding......Again

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I tried using the pulse setting when welding a soda can and was really surprised that it helped....... I used the 32 rule that Jody uses for DC  and thin tube welding but it worked for AC also......I did notice one thing though that has me stumped.....I tack the can in 3 or 4 places and start welding from one of the tacks but when I get to the next tack I have a hard time continuing over the Tack......when I get to the last tack it seems to out gas and NOT weld?  making a whole that cant be filled........really weird I even punch vent holes in the bottoms of the cans.......No matter what I do it won't let me fill over the last tack?    WTF..Last edited by B_C; 04-01-2013 at 08:26 PM.  Miller Dynasty 350Twenty Six HammersThree Crow BarsBig Rock
Reply:Well well well, I guess I know what I'm doing at work in the morning.......Nice work!(Home)Miller Maxstar 152 (sold)MM211/spool gunLincoln AC 225C(Work)Dynasty 350Powcon 300STLincoln SP-175TWeldlodgic AWS150sWeldlodgic AWS300Custom Resistance seam weldersCambridge Vacuum EB weldersI smell something burning.
Reply:What settings Bill?TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 Magnum
Reply:I have no idea, but I wish I could get as far as you on the soda can Welds look awesome.Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:The thing that makes me crazy is I have welded thirty + cans and they all welded all the way around......The only thing I changed was the vent holes.......Hmmmmmmthat might be how its getting pressure to out gas? My settings are 40 amps weld current, Using the pedal.  Just tried 32 PPS 32 background 32 % on time.....3/322% Lanthinated  Gas lens #7  Argon.......1/16 4043 filler  Scotch brite wheel prepTried both Tri wave and Soft Sq wave.....70 Balance 110Hrz   .040 Tungsten Start amps  Miller Dynasty 350Twenty Six HammersThree Crow BarsBig Rock
Reply:Hmmm, 32 rule.  Gotta try my hand at it this weekend.TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 Magnum
Reply:Last edited by B_C; 04-03-2013 at 06:34 PM.  Miller Dynasty 350Twenty Six HammersThree Crow BarsBig Rock
Reply:Opps 33 not 32......don't think it will make that much difference but it's 33......  Miller Dynasty 350Twenty Six HammersThree Crow BarsBig Rock
Reply:I have to try the pop cans some day. Problem is I don't think there are any pop cans around my shop.
Reply:Try bottles.Motorboating...in the Cleavage of the Tetons
Reply:Originally Posted by rideitTry bottles.
Reply:Hmmmm.....ok, now I have to try this weekend too.It will be my first try and I will post the pics - good, bad or ugly Just added TIG to my bag o tricks last year - should be interesting! Dave J.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Originally Posted by rideitTry bottles.
Reply:B_C,Your biggest problem is using those pop cans instead of beer cans.  If you had been using beer cans, after practicing on thirty + cans you would have no noticeable holes, porosity or other issues. Hell, you probably wouldn't care which political party ran the country and you'd be welcoming the North Koreans to bring on the nukes.  Brent878:  BUD in blue?  That's not right.  Miller is blue, Bud is red."USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder
Reply:And NIETHER are actually BEER!Motorboating...in the Cleavage of the Tetons
Reply:Good one, try welding whiskey bottles.
Reply:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...ps68f7206b.jpgThis was fun and different.... Actually Pretty easy......Last edited by B_C; 04-05-2013 at 03:41 PM.  Miller Dynasty 350Twenty Six HammersThree Crow BarsBig Rock
Reply:Dang. That is pretty good. How did you do it?Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li  ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:I'm wondering too... Dave J.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Three passes......just kept weaving back and forth....That's the regular bottom weld with two more passes.....I used 3/32 filler on the last pass.....pretty easy  Miller Dynasty 350Twenty Six HammersThree Crow BarsBig Rock
Reply:Originally Posted by Brent878The bottles are alot easier.  I use them for pratice for my o/a welding.  they are way thicker than the cans and have a rolled top so its extra thick.
Reply:Well I figured out what BC means.BEER CANWeld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li  ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:Forget the bottles and cans.. Grap some razor blades and tin foil and weld those items.    lol lol
Reply:Originally Posted by ShortbusWelderForget the bottles and cans.. Grap some razor blades and tin foil and weld those items.    lol lol
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterEasy.Been there done that....zap!Used the same 33 rule and set the hertz at 100.......not sure if the hertz setting works with pulser?1/16 " red tungsten gas lensLast edited by B_C; 04-19-2013 at 06:18 PM.  Miller Dynasty 350Twenty Six HammersThree Crow BarsBig Rock
Reply:Alum foil is easy isn't it Zap.Like taking candy from a baby. V
Reply:I emptied my whole recycling container and not one can! I guess I'll just have to stick to razor blades.
Reply:This one was without pulse, 36 amps 1/16" pure tungsten, 1/16" filler, forgot to vent them, but it still sealed up. Attached ImagesSqWave 200Millermatic 190Airco 200 ACHypertherm PM45Boice-Crane Band SawVictor O/A
Reply:I have been using Ginger Ale cans and no matter what I do cleaning wise, venting or welder settings it welds all around to the last 1/4 " and won't weld anymore?  I talked with Terry and he uses Pepsi cans?   with no problems.......I need to try a different type can just so I can rule that out  Miller Dynasty 350Twenty Six HammersThree Crow BarsBig Rock
Reply:How thick is the bottom of the can exactly?And did you figure out the issue with blowing a hole in there?Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:Hmmmmmmm  never measured the thickness but I would say maybe .020....And it doesn't blow a hole it just stops welding?   kinda out gasses. It's weird because up until I started using the Dynasty I never had a problem?Last edited by B_C; 04-20-2013 at 09:56 PM.  Miller Dynasty 350Twenty Six HammersThree Crow BarsBig Rock
Reply:Never figured that problem out?Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:Nope and even though its a stupid soda can deal it's pissing me off  Miller Dynasty 350Twenty Six HammersThree Crow BarsBig Rock
Reply:My wife comes out in the shop and gives me crap about how I welded linear accelerators together but can't figure out a soda can....lolLast edited by B_C; 04-20-2013 at 10:03 PM.  Miller Dynasty 350Twenty Six HammersThree Crow BarsBig Rock
Reply:Lol what is a linear accelerator?Did the torch or heat take off the ink on the cans or is that your prep work? Sometimes I find that less prep work is more. Quick brush and acetone. Mostly just the brush.Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:If you don't mind me asking, how are you cleaning the bottom of the cans before welding?TA Arcmaster 300CM3XMT 304S22P12 suitcase feederX-Treme 12VSOptima pulserTA161SMaxstar 150STLHypertherm PM45OP setupStihl 020AVP, 039, 066 Magnum
Reply:I just gave the can a few twists on a scotchbrite pad, the problem during welding was the plastic coating from inside the can contaminating the puddle, I'll have to try again.SqWave 200Millermatic 190Airco 200 ACHypertherm PM45Boice-Crane Band SawVictor O/A
Reply:I'd like to see you guys cut the can in half and weld it back together.
Reply:I don't see what the big infatuation is with welding cans together..Granted it's a challenge but........When/when will you need this in the REAL world?I have much better things to waste gas and filler on......zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:Looks to me like cheap material to practice thin pipe welding on Dave J.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveLooks to me like cheap material to practice thin pipe welding on Dave J.
Reply:Well...maybe that's a tad thin...but some rusted steel feels like it's that thin! I still have not got around to it.  Was thinking I'd try it today.Dave JDave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterI don't see what the big infatuation is with welding cans together..Granted it's a challenge but........When/when will you need this in the REAL world?I have much better things to waste gas and filler on......zap!
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterI don't see what the big infatuation is with welding cans together..Granted it's a challenge but........When/when will you need this in the REAL world?I have much better things to waste gas and filler on......zap!
Reply:Originally Posted by shovelonGood practice for repairing expensive tractor/trailer radiator and condensers. This image is not mine, but I have done many similar on my old Linde UCC305 tranny tig. Only lately working with Bill (BC) have I been able to match with my inverters.
Reply:Originally Posted by zapster... When/when will you need this in the REAL world?...zap!
Reply:Originally Posted by OldendumIf Mayor Bloomberg bans the big cans...
Reply:Originally Posted by HertzJust don't get caught with any illegally modified high capacity soda cans.
Reply:Anyone tried welding bottles together with O/A?"USMCPOP" First-born son: KIA  Iraq 1/26/05Syncrowave 250 w/ Coolmate 3Dialarc 250, Idealarc 250SP-175 +Firepower TIG 160S (gave the TA 161 STL to the son)Lincwelder AC180C (1952)Victor & Smith O/A torchesMiller spot welder