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I'm replacing the Gator's clutch and need a tool. At half of the JD cost, I want to make one of these.http://www.johndeeregatorforum.com/f...ment-with-PICS!
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Reply:i cannot see the photos ..I take it this has to do with your inquiry ?Backed my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck
Reply:Darn, couldn't see the pic - and I like making tools Dave JDave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Here it is from their site. A bit blurry but...Cut a 3" length of 1/2" un-threaded steel rod. Square off and de-burr the ends, but don't round them over. After removing the mounting bolt & washer from the end of the primary clutch, insert the rod into the crankshaft hole. Follow it up with a 9/16"-18 X 3" SAE bolt (No it is not metric)John Deere want $50 for $5 of metal it that I'll use one time!!!
Reply:Sometimes the extended part of those pullers bends under the force of the screw. With a two piece design you would have a hard time removing the rod once it was bent and jammed in there. Just food for thought.Miller millermatic 251Miller aircrafter 330st, wp201961 Lincoln SA200Ellis 1600 bandsawLogan 820 latheSouth Bend 13"Bridgeport M Head
Reply:Find a friend with a lathe.It looks like you can start with a screw and just turn the threads off the tip.finding a fully threaded screw that long will be troublesome.Then I'd start with grade 8 threaded rod.= that won't be cheap. if you can find it.Turn the threads off the threaded rod, weld a nut on the end.
Reply:Do you have the dimensions bud and a clearer pic. I'll go to the machine shop at work and make you one out of hex stock and mail it out to ya! I hate being bi-polar it's awsomeMy Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys
Reply:Honda requires a similar tool for disassembleing thier generators.Spend the bucks. The tool will be made of one piece of hardened steel.I ruined a $700 rotor by trying the two-piece method.Once you tighten the bolt, several good solid smacks with a hammer will free the clutch from the shaft!
Reply:Basic minor diameter of 9/16-18 external thread is 0.494, so turning down to 1/2" would work pretty well (might still have a tiny little spiral groove on there).  Probably won't find a 9/16-18 x 6 bolt that's fully threaded.  Would either have to thread it the rest of the way or do the threaded rod + welded nut route.
Reply:Originally Posted by dbotosBasic minor diameter of 9/16-18 external thread is 0.494, so turning down to 1/2" would work pretty well (might still have a tiny little spiral groove on there).  Probably won't find a 9/16-18 x 6 bolt that's fully threaded.  Would either have to thread it the rest of the way or do the threaded rod + welded nut route.
Reply:That's darned nice, Mike, but way too much work. Besides, that's the only picture I could find of it on the Internet. All I have is that and the description. As to Danny at the JD shop, I already ask way too much of him and, in my mind, am able to give way too little back because I do most of the maintenance on the tractor and Gator myself. He's always all-too-eager to help and was actually "embarassed" to accept a case of MGD (sorry Terry!!!) from me as thanks when he stopped doing his job in the middle of the shop to help me change out not one but all four CV joint boots using his tool to re-band the keepers so I'll figure something out. It just irks me so much to be continually gouged by corporations. That tool loaner program that Home Depot has is so appreciated by people who don't have the tools they'll only probably use once that it drives a ton of business their way. OK, I can see $20 for a 20-cent piece of rod as ridiculous *** that sounds because I understand that buying American-made means paying higher prices for American products so our workers can live a better life than the average Chinese or Filipino worker. But I also understand profit margins and PE ratios. I'm happy to see that part of that $20 goes to people like Danny but $50!!! I mean come on. I have to draw the personal, moral line somewhere and that line is when the $30 difference between $20 for a 20-cent tool and $50 is going to people like Sam Allen, the Chairman of JD, and others who profit WAY more than I think anyone can spend in a lifetime just so they can drink a $200 glass of Sandeman vintage Port this afternoon in a crystal Fladgate sitting in an overstuffed American Heritage looking out over the 18th at Short Hills Country Club.  I don't begrudge wealth. You work hard, you're smart, I think you should be rewarded. But $50!!!!???? Come on!!! The world is far better off for having the likes of Mike, IMS and Tackit, Ed, Terry and the rest of you who offer to help others than it is people like JD's Board of Directors who look to their stock price as a way to support their belief that $50 is somehow OK to charge the American farmer and rancher who's cattle's leather hides support their fat asses in those chairs at the Country Club. OK Sorry. Rant over. Gotta go move my own cows... and figure a way to get that clutch off!
Reply:I guess our postings crossed. Thanks Al and Debotos. Well, Al, I remember when you said I might want to look at a lathe for the ranch shop!
Reply:Like I said, the OEM Special Tools arevery pricey. There's no denying it.But once you own it, you will never have to jury-rig a make-do for that job ever again.I never expected to use the Honda tool when I bought it. I ordered it as a safety when I ordered the replacment rotor. I've had the new rotor off twice already. The OEM tool takes 30 seconds to use and does no damage to any part of the engine or alternator.I spent 3 weeks, jammed a bent piece of rod inside the rotor, restructured the threads at the far end of the rotor and spilled a pint of hydraulic fluid in order to get the damned thing off. That spell of frustration was well worth the $50 for the tool.I was lucky to have unfettered access to the engine/rotor assembly. I suspect you are trying to remove the clutch from underneath or at the very least, low from the side.I've heard a saying many times, "It's the stingy man that pays the most."I'm all in favor of DIY and saving money, I do all of my own car/truck/tractor repairs, etc and I use home heating oil in my tractors. But sometimes the money has to be spent for the RIGHT tool.
Reply:$11 for a 3-ft piece of 9/16-18 threaded rod on eBay.  $5.50 for 10 nuts.  Find someone with a lathe that likes MGD and you're all set, for about half the cost of the JD one.  You could even make extras and sell them.  Made in USA too.
Reply:I was right - it does leave a little spiral.  jlames - PM me your address and I'll get this in the mail to you this weekend.  Some welding required, batteries not included, no warranties expressed or implied.  I kept thinking 9/16-18 sounds familiar for some reason.  Then I remembered I bought a length of threaded rod and bunch of nuts that size for a toolpost stud I made for my mini lathe.  Since I had the goods and the machinery, I figured it was a sign.  Time for a little payback for all the good stuff I've learned on this forum.   Attached Images
Reply:That's really really great of you. I'll PM you. I can't thank you enough.
Reply:No problem.  Let us know how it works out.
Reply:The picture doesn't do it justice but it's good enough to show what generosity is. Minnesota Dave made me a clutch puller bolt and it got here today. I really can't thank you enough. It'll be in the hole tomorrow gently separating the clutch from the crankshaft. What a help saving me $50 from John Deere and again, Dave, I can't thank you enough.
Reply:Jeeze, I'm sorry, it was dbotos' generosity. How embarasing. So many people offered, I lost track; Mike and dbotos were the last two. So please accept my thanks both for the offers and for the bolt.
Reply:Heck, naturally I'm happy to be mistaken for doing good  (usually it's the other way - LOL)But, like he said, the hat gets tipped to others on this one - nicely done dbotos Dave J.Last edited by MinnesotaDave; 09-24-2013 at 07:12 AM.Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:Quite alright.  Ironically, my name is Dave too.
Reply:Originally Posted by dbotos... my name is Dave too.
Reply:Shouldd'a just kept my mouth shut and be thought right!!!Anyway, thanks to all of you. Headin' out after lunch to try it out.
Reply:Just wanted to again say "Thank You" for all the responses but especially Dave's bolt contraction. 10-minutes and it worked like a charm. Gator is back to good-as-new and I didn't have to pay a ridiculous price. You know the ironic thing is, no one of the JD forum even responded to my request for help. It took the welding community to come together. Great board. Great people. And thank you so much again.Glad to hear you got it fixed maybe Joyce will let you back in the house now ...well maybe after you replace the liner Yeah that is why i hang here such a broad spectrum of people doing all kinds of different things and all walks of life ..and all have the get er done attitude but they also have the one thing i likeAnd that is ...and here is how to do it and do it rightBacked my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck
Reply:Glad it worked well.  For reference, the threaded rod was just some low-carbon steel stuff I got from Zoro Tools.  Class 1A thread, 60,000 psi tensile strength, and Rockwell B70 hardness.  Nuts are about the same - low-carbon, plain finish, grade 2.