Vertical up weave help

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Tips to improve thanks.
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Reply:Tighten up your motions and watch the puddle. I'd do at least 2 times if not 3 times as many side to side motions for a given distance up as you are now..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Ok so don't go up as far race time. How far should I go up each time. And other then that that does it look ok or is there anything else I can improve on. ThanksSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWTighten up your motions and watch the puddle. I'd do at least 2 times if not 3 times as many side to side motions for a given distance up as you are now.
Reply:Consistency needs improvement.To do vertical up well, you must be able to read the puddle. Timing patterns seldom work.  I move up in small increments based on how the puddle moves. There's no easier way to explain it. I watch the puddle fill on the sides and quickly move across the middle to pause for the puddle to fill on the other side before crossing again. When done at speed my side to side motions are very fast and my pause is almost imperceptible to many students.I teach vertical up by doing a massive exaggerated weave and tell students to watch the puddle and see if they can't spot where I stop and wait for the puddle to catch up to the arc, before I start across the opposite way. If they can see this, I reduce my weave by 50% and increase my speed. If they keep seeing what I'm talking about, I keep making the weave smaller and faster until I'm doing a stringer with a wiggle side to side. The only difference with the weave is the wider side to side motion.Your 2nd bead isn't terrible but it's very inconsistent..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:That's what my teacher says watch the puddle but I do watch it and I move quickly across the center my teacher told me on my other weaves to slow down their. How many rods should it take to go up that it's about 6 inches up with 1/8 electrodes Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:That's going to depend on the width of the weave and how much material you are laying in in one pass. Typically I can do a 6" stringer on a T joint with 1/8" in one pass. If I'm doubling the width of the bead on a weave over this, it will probably take about 2 rods. If I'm doing that weave in a single pass with no root, that would still take about 3 rods. I've seen students lay down really large beads and really small ones. That's going to change how much they lay in and how many rods they use.As far as slowing down, he might mean slowing down in your vertical travel. It sort of means the same thing. I prefer to think about going faster side to side, and maintaining the same vertical speed if everything is is close. Others think about keeping their side to side speed the same, but adjusting their vertical speed. Not quite the same, but what ever it takes for you to understand what is going on.I find not all students reach the same point at the same time. Some when the 1st "see" the puddle it's all at once. Others pick it up in bits and pieces. Stick/FC complicates the matter as you have the molten flux to deal with as well. Some rods are easier to differentiate the flux from the puddle than others. Some like 7018AC the flux covers the puddle so much that many times it's almost impossible to read the puddle and you have to go by tiny subtle clues to know what is going on..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Ok I thinksthis the 4th pass third weave on both those pics and it took like 2 rods. I have to do a horizontal 7018 and a vertical 7018 bend plate next week in class so I'm trying to improve on what to do and what not to do. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:+DSW. Looks a little cold too in my opinion. I watch pause on each side long enough for the crater of the arc to fill good and then run to the other side and do the same thing. Like DSW said, it is hard to explain. I think I would weave at least 50% more horizontally per inch vertically compared to you if that makes sense. Slow down a little and practice more is my humble advice. Do not weave too wide either. I think there are some good guidelines on width of each pass based on rod diameter, but I am sure someone else will remember better than me. Good luck!SA-250 TMDSquarewave 200Thunderbolt AC/DC1951 G.E. welder
Reply:I'm running around 105 amps. Is there any spots on there that I went up the right amount on those pics or close to it. And is there any certain side you go up on to move across to the other sideSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:I would say the upper half of the second picture is as slow as I would most likely go. I would go a good bit faster than that personally. Drag a bead on flat plate and look at pattern and distance between the ripples and try to duplicate that. As far going up one side verses the other, do whichever you like the best. I am mostly a repair sort of guy, so I have never had a chance to do code work like a lot of these guys. There are several instructors on here that can you more me. That is just what I think and my opinions you know. Practice more and do what feels good until you are comfortable and you will have. A lot of us can tell you how to do it all day long like driving a car. You can know a lot about welding and if you have not had the hood time, you will not be able to produce what you already know how to do. Just like driving, I can tell you a lot of things, but nothing about what they should feel like. Runs a little slower and I would be a little hotter and put some more pictures up for us. We will help you get there. Try several speeds and hotter or colder. Just because it works for me it might not for you. I hope I am helping you some though.SA-250 TMDSquarewave 200Thunderbolt AC/DC1951 G.E. welder
Reply:1/8" 7018  I try to run hotter than that. 115 to 125 amps usually, even more if I can that particular day, at least on the 1st pass.  I'll run as hot as I can without having the puddle get out of control and hold a tight arc. If the plate heats up too much, I may have to dial it back some to compensate. I'll do this based on how the puddle is reacting.The area circled is about the best I see in either pict..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Ok thanks guys. Do u guys think I could pass a vertical bend plate with a little more practice. And I will try more amps when I go back on Monday Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:I think so. It's just all about practice and consistency. Know what they want and expect from the test and work towards that..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Ok it's just for my high school class not a job. I have that and a horizontal one. Next weeks my last week welding till school starts up again. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:There are several techniques to vertical up welding. Some people will use low amps like you are and make very defined steps from side to side where they pause longer and basically let the puddle grow bigger and then step across a little higher and do the same thing on the other side. I think this technique might be borrowed from welding stainless where you want lower heat input. You can turn your amps up and do the same type of technique but with a shorter pause and more side to side motions or you can just do a non stop side to side to side weave never pausing. Changing direction is kind of like a very slight pause. The low amp step technique can be difficult to keep a steady short arc. Which is best is the technique that works best for you. That said if you've been doing it a certain way try to improve on that technique and don't change technique just because someone tells you a different technique that works for them. 6010 root passes are the same thing. They stressed this when I went through my apprenticeship, don't change technique right before your test or you're almost guaranteed to fail.
Reply:Ok I'll keep doing it like this but I'm gonna try to get more weaves in and make it closer together. The machines I have at school have arc control that makes it a lot easier to use lower amps so I don't stick as muchSent from my iPhone using TapatalkLast edited by Kylemx; 05-31-2015 at 01:14 AM.
Reply:Too low of amps can make it more difficult. Change one thing at a time. Try the same technique with a little more amps and see what it does. If you change your amps and change your weave, etc., etc., it's like starting over. Just try to make little changes to the technique you're using because you're close to having it right. If it was a total mess, then start over.
Reply:Ok I'll try that Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk