11018 as hardfacing

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I was at a going out of business sale and picked up 50lbs of 11018 rod for 60 bucks. I have some hard facing to do on my old D8 Would it be suitable or should I empty my wallet for the real stuffSent from my iPhone using TapatalkUsing Tapatalk
Reply:11018 is stronger than 7018 but not much harder. Might be OK for metal-to-metal wear but probably not so hot for earth-moving equipment. OTOH, if something breaks on your D8, you have some good rod to repair it with.If you are wanting to get the right rod for the hard-facing job, call Lincoln's and Stoody's support lines. They are very helpful and will get you set up with the rods you need.JohnA few weldersA lot of hammersA whole lot of C-clamps
Reply:What part are you hardfacing?Lincoln pro core 125 14''chop saw7 inch grinder,2-4.5 inch grinders,electric die grinder.Half inch drillAnd alot of hand tools
Reply:X 2. Save the lo-hi for repairs, Stoody makes some smooth running hard rod and it wears well. When it wears down weld alongside the first ones, not on top of them.                                                      MikeOl' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:The blade. And a couple of the pads on the tracks. It's getting thin in some spots. The old girl has at least 20000 hours on it. It's expected. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkUsing Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by mla2ofusX 2. Save the lo-hi for repairs, Stoody makes some smooth running hard rod and it wears well. When it wears down weld alongside the first ones, not on top of them.                                                      Mike
Reply:Depends. Cross hatching usually is designed to hold dirt. Thus you end up with dirt wearing on dirt vs metal. Sand on the other hand doesn't stick like dirt does, and you would want to run a different pattern for that.Stoody or Lincoln can suggest not only the rod for the application, but also often how you should run the rods as far as pattern. Here's the Lincoln guide to Hardfacing. I know Stoody has a bunch of PDF's on hardfacing as well you can download. Google "Stoody hardfacing PDF" and you should get quite a few hits.http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...ture/C7710.pdf.No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWDepends. Cross hatching usually is designed to hold dirt. Thus you end up with dirt wearing on dirt vs metal. Sand on the other hand doesn't stick like dirt does, and you would want to run a different pattern for that.Stoody or Lincoln can suggest not only the rod for the application, but also often how you should run the rods as far as pattern. Here's the Lincoln guide to Hardfacing. I know Stoody has a bunch of PDF's on hardfacing as well you can download. Google "Stoody hardfacing PDF" and you should get quite a few hits.http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...ture/C7710.pdf
Reply:I wouldn't use the hardrod on the tracks. The 110 hi-lo would be better and peen the welds w/ an air chipping hammer to stress relieve them.                                                             MikeOl' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:Originally Posted by mla2ofusI wouldn't use the hardrod on the tracks. The 110 hi-lo would be better and peen the welds w/ an air chipping hammer to stress relieve them.                                                             Mike
Reply:here is the old hog. I only paid scrap price for it. I changed the oil in both the motors and it started right upSent from my iPhone using TapatalkUsing Tapatalk
Reply:The 11018 could be considered a tough rod but not a hard facing rod. The moly in it makes it work toughen so it doesn't tend to flake off from impact. I use them for resurfacing anvils and have never had a problem in that application. I have also used them on dozer tracks for build up and have had good luck with it and the owners tell me that it lasts well.
Reply:From what everyone has said here I will go buy some hardrod. I called Lincoln today and I get the rod tax exempt because it's for farm use. So that's a plus Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkUsing Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by BobThe 11018 could be considered a tough rod but not a hard facing rod. The moly in it makes it work toughen so it doesn't tend to flake off from impact. I use them for resurfacing anvils and have never had a problem in that application. I have also used them on dozer tracks for build up and have had good luck with it and the owners tell me that it lasts well.
Reply:If I was a farmer with a scrap price D8, I would be using the garage Sale special rod.If I am cheap enough to buy both at scrap price, then Tax Exempt or not I would not buy Hard Face at what it costs for an occasional use tractor.My 2 cents!And yes I would use it on the rest of the undercarriage as well!
Reply:Originally Posted by Dart340here is the old hog. I only paid scrap price for it. I changed the oil in both the motors and it started right upSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by mla2ofusIs that an 8R? I spent too many hours on 14A's in my younger days.                                      Mike
Reply:Have you figured out how to adjust the clutch and brake on the cable unit? When I was running them we had an old mechanic that could get them set so close you could drop the dozer 1/2" at a time.                                               MikeOl' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:Originally Posted by Dart340Do you think they would be suitable to use on the build up the idlers on the undercarriage.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by BobThey would be perfect for that. They weld a lot like 7018 but slightly lower amps.
Reply:You probably know this but I sure hope you had the ground attached to the idler wheel and not the track frame.                                                        MikeOl' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:I didSent from my iPhone using TapatalkUsing Tapatalk
Reply:NO  save that for repairs (may require some preheat).
Reply:Seeing that pic brought back memories ..not all good ones eitherBuy the hardface rod or wire the lohy rod you have is not going to work well at all for thatDoing the cross hatch is easy and you can do a mark out in soapstone or chalk and figure the amount of rod/wire needed to do the job...it isn't rocket scienceSent from my SPH-D700 using Tapatalk 2Backed my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck
Reply:Originally Posted by killdozerd11Seeing that pic brought back memories ..not all good ones eitherBuy the hardface rod or wire the lohy rod you have is not going to work well at all for thatDoing the cross hatch is easy and you can do a mark out in soapstone or chalk and figure the amount of rod/wire needed to do the job...it isn't rocket scienceSent from my SPH-D700 using Tapatalk 2-4 you can keep that....Way to cold for meI wonder if that temp would adversly effect the weldBut hardface is not like welding inorder to bondsteel togetherIt is done colder so you don't mix the base metal with the hardfacing metal ..it is just hot enough to bond to the base metal to form the stringer beads above the base metalYou have fun in that open canopy in the cold ..I will never miss that about the good old daysSent from my SPH-D700 using Tapatalk 2Backed my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck
Reply:Originally Posted by killdozerd11-4 you can keep that....Way to cold for meI wonder if that temp would adversly effect the weldBut hardface is not like welding inorder to bondsteel togetherIt is done colder so you don't mix the base metal with the hardfacing metal ..it is just hot enough to bond to the base metal to form the stringer beads above the base metalYou have fun in that open canopy in the cold ..I will never miss that about the good old daysSent from my SPH-D700 using Tapatalk 2
Reply:I would weld say 4 to 6 inches using the setting from the rod or wire and see if it bonds properly ...if its not then up your amps say 10 and repeat until its right and bonds but still leaves a raised stringer bead If its flat and wide your too hot Bead profile will depend on rod/wire size and power input also travel speed enters in and even angle of the rod/gunSent from my SPH-D700 using Tapatalk 2Backed my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck
Reply:Originally Posted by Dart340Yep. It's a powerhouse. I'm using it to clear land. Pushes 14inch trees over no problemSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Are you doing the hardface outside? I would wait till its more like 30-40 degrees if that is the case. If you are inside with heat you shouldn't have too much of an issue where you have to preheat.Miller xmt304,  Miller S22 p12, Miier Maxstar SD, Miller 252 w 30A, Miller super32p12, Lincoln Ranger 9, Thermal Arc 181I with spoolgun, Hypertherm 10000 ,Smith torches. Esab 161lts miniarc.
Reply:Originally Posted by M J DAre you doing the hardface outside? I would wait till its more like 30-40 degrees if that is the case. If you are inside with heat you shouldn't have too much of an issue where you have to preheat.
Reply:Originally Posted by Dart340Yeah I ran some stringers on it today and they looked like ****. I'm waiting till it gets warm out to start itSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by M J DBesides your hood freezing up in no time the steel doesn't handle the cold to hot to cold very well.
Reply:I was afraid of that not wanting to stick thingBut I have never welded in that cold of tempBut the more you weld the warmer it would get ...right Helmet fogging suks...are you on your knees to do the weldsBecause that really suksBrandy in hot coffee can help Sent from my SPH-D700 using Tapatalk 2Backed my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck
Reply:Originally Posted by killdozerd11I was afraid of that not wanting to stick thingBut I have never welded in that cold of tempBut the more you weld the warmer it would get ...right Helmet fogging suks...are you on your knees to do the weldsBecause that really suksBrandy in hot coffee can help Sent from my SPH-D700 using Tapatalk 2
Reply:Do you have a loader or something to pick up the blade if you pull the pins and take it off the bull arms and just take the blade in your shop ?Sent from my SPH-D700 using Tapatalk 2Backed my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck
Reply:Originally Posted by killdozerd11Do you have a loader or something to pick up the blade if you pull the pins and take it off the bull arms and just take the blade in your shop ?Sent from my SPH-D700 using Tapatalk 2
Reply:Good keep you from freezingSent from my SPH-D700 using Tapatalk 2Backed my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck
Reply:Originally Posted by Dart340I'm thinking about putting up so plexiglass to block the wind. Would it be wise to preheat the blade before beginning the hardfacingSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by SquirmyPugPlexiglass sucks on machines. Dust sticks to it then it gets scratched and you can't see anything. Maybe its just me, I don't even like glass in machines if I need to see through it.
Reply:That ol' girl should have a reversible fan. Make up some canvas curtains for each side and bring it back to the fuel tank about the same height as the seat cushion, cover the grill w/ canvas. Adjust canvas over grill for air intake to control temp. You'd have to work her pretty hard to overheat.  By the way, I don't know how much you've run these old timers, but if you park it for awhile w/ the engine idling put the tranny in neutral and engage the clutch. Replacing a worn out clutch pilot brg is not an easy job.                                                                                          MikeLast edited by mla2ofus; 02-11-2014 at 11:31 PM.Ol' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:Originally Posted by mla2ofusThat ol' girl should have a reversible fan. Make up some canvas curtains for each side and bring it back to the fuel tank about the same height as the seat cushion, cover the grill w/ canvas. Adjust canvas over grill for air intake to control temp. You'd have to work her pretty hard to overheat.  By the way, I don't know how much you've run these old timers, but if you park it for awhile w/ the engine idling put the tranny in neutral and engage the clutch. Replacing a worn out clutch pilot brg is not an easy job.                                                                                          Mike
Reply:Well did you get her done ???pics pleaseSent from my SPH-D700 using Tapatalk 2Backed my CATMA over your CARMA oops clusmy me  What would SATAN do ?? Miller Trailblazer 302 AirPakMiller Digital Elite  Optrel Welding HatArcair K4000Suitcase 12RC / 12 VSHypertherm PM-45Rage 3 sawRusty old Truck