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I use a SA 200 Lincoln gas burner on pipelines and the machine is probably an early 70`s the amature housing behind the face is the square type.I was told that it is not an all copper winding but aluminum.I was told by an old welder that has been welding since 1960 that the machine I use is an all copper wind.Would anyone believe that an early 70`s SA 200 Lincoln some came aluminum wind?Thanks for the answer.Steve.
Reply:was told by lincoln that most all are 80% copper and 20% alum. an early 70's should have a round generator. they increased the alum % in 82 but because of complaints went back down.
Reply:Thanks GRB.The outside where the cup goes to protect the brushes is round.The amature behind the face [i.e.the big part]is square though.Never heard of one being 80% cooper 20% aluminum.The leads hook up behind the machine under the hood.Some leads hook up to connectors on the face of the machine.The machine came painted Red from the factory it has a F-163 4 cyl engine [gas].SA 200 Lincoln.Thank`s for your reply.Steve.
Reply:sounds like a later 70's model, early 70's have the lead connections on the face as well as  round. does it have a pc board on it? you running 200 amp brushes in it or 300's
Reply:Originally Posted by GRBsounds like a later 70's model, early 70's have the lead connections on the face as well as  round. does it have a pc board on it? you running 200 amp brushes in it or 300's
Reply:sometime when you get a chance put 300 amp brushes in the upper right and lower left brush racks, they'll fit right in. just bought another red face today, about a 65 model has the two piece front, in good shape, all I can tell is it needs field coils and cleaned up so far.
Reply:Originally Posted by GRBsometime when you get a chance put 300 amp brushes in the upper right and lower left brush racks, they'll fit right in. just bought another red face today, about a 65 model has the two piece front, in good shape, all I can tell is it needs field coils and cleaned up so far.
Reply:If it's a 70's model with squared off generator it's got aluminum in it, that's common knowledge.The little round generator housings had to be replaced with the squared off version because the aluminum takes up more space and wouldn't physically fit in the old case. But, if you were tickled to death with the way your machine welded before you found out it had aluminum in it you should still be tickled to death afterwards. The best downhill pipe welds I've ever laid eyes on have been made by pipeliners with aluminum in them, those machines still weld extreemly well, maybe not as smooth and mellow as an older one, but still extreemly nice. JTMcC.
Reply:Originally Posted by pipeliner2006Would anyone believe that an early 70`s SA 200 Lincoln some came aluminum wind?Steve.
Reply:Thank you guys.The machine I weld with most probably Aluminum winding with the square amature.I am going to look at one that needs a radiator repair for $500.00 it has an all round amature with the lead hook ups on the face.Nevertheless the machine I weld with is smooth and welds 100% B31.3 Welds all day.I love the old lincolns period.I let you know of my find for $500.00Steve.
Reply:I bought a SA 200 Amp lincoln saturday.The machine has the round amature and the leads hook up on the face.The plug in the face I was told is a reastat plug but I think it must be where you would plug in an extention cord but the plug is a turn and lock plug after its plugged in.The machine has been setting up for a few years and it got water in a couple of cylinders and it was locked up.I pulled the head and freed it up and cleaned the cylinders and got it to running but it smoked like a tar-pitt.It needs a new radiator and water pump.I am removing the engine and will get it bored and new pistons rings ect.The machine welded very good.You can put a welding rod in its stinger and prop the stinger up on a piece of plate and it welds by it self where the other machine I have been running does not.I believe it is worth rebuilding the machine and I see no need to go into the amature.A new rebuilt engine and radiator and water pump and a good paint job should put the machine to work.Thank you guys.Steve.
Reply:there a shop in Mo. that says he sells a complete rebuild kit for 415.00, includes pistons, valve train, kit to rebuild the oil pump, all the gaskets..etc.. and all. I have'nt bought from him yet but thats a good price and will shorlty
Reply:Originally Posted by GRBthere a shop in Mo. that says he sells a complete rebuild kit for 415.00, includes pistons, valve train, kit to rebuild the oil pump, all the gaskets..etc.. and all. I have'nt bought from him yet but thats a good price and will shorlty
Reply:Any one have a Starter for 55-56 shorthood lincoln sa200 they would like to sell? thanks tommy
Reply:Grandstaff Engines Inc.Independence, Mo.800-896-7676ask for RickTom did you try the man in Ill. about the starter? 618-566-4733
Reply:BOBC, I'm restoring a 48 shorthood, has that blasted red lookin epoxy type primer, is there an easy way to remove the stuff???
Reply:Tompit9 I have a starter for your short hood Lincoln.I robbed the engine off the machine to work on a 1965 Lincoln SA-200 Amp so I used the starter that came off the 1965 Long hood.I make $50.00 an hour with the Long hood{i.e.oil field work/pipelines ect} and it does not use oil just leaks the crap out of it.Man it is high to get a SA-200 Engine re-done.Also I have a friend`s dad that has a short hood Lincoln for sale on a trailer but needs a tune-up but welds like a dream.If interested contact me at {318-377-1088}.If no answer leave a message and I will get back in touch.Working about 70 hours a week.Thank`s a bunch.Steve miller.
Reply:Originally Posted by GRBBOBC, I'm restoring a 48 shorthood, has that blasted red lookin epoxy type primer, is there an easy way to remove the stuff???
Reply:i have been buying several lincoln sa 200 welders for parts.if i can be of any help,let me know...i also have been buying running sa 200's for resale...email me @ [email protected]
Reply:Originally Posted by pipeliner2006Tompit9 I have a starter for your short hood Lincoln.I robbed the engine off the machine to work on a 1965 Lincoln SA-200 Amp so I used the starter that came off the 1965 Long hood.I make $50.00 an hour with the Long hood{i.e.oil field work/pipelines ect} and it does not use oil just leaks the crap out of it.Man it is high to get a SA-200 Engine re-done.Also I have a friend`s dad that has a short hood Lincoln for sale on a trailer but needs a tune-up but welds like a dream.If interested contact me at {318-377-1088}.If no answer leave a message and I will get back in touch.Working about 70 hours a week.Thank`s a bunch.Steve miller.
Reply:Originally Posted by banshee35How much is your friends dad askin for the shorthood? I'm in cotton valley and i see you have a minden number so we'er close to each other. Let me know something....
Reply:let me know something about that starter. Please!!!
Reply:Tom I bought a complete sa-200 short hood machine that needed a starter and valve job so I am having to hold on to the starter and spacer plate.I tested the starter it needs rebuilding.Sorry.
Reply:where are you out of ? I'm looking for a working amature also.
Reply:Hello Tom.I am from north central louisiana.do you have a spare armature your willing to get rid of? mine burnt up and I'm tring to find one for a reasonable price.
Reply:Or know any one that would like to gti rid of one?
Reply:[QUOTE=pipeliner2006] it does not use oil just leaks the crap out of it. Anyone know what to put in your oil to SLOW the leaks down? I put that STP crap in mine and it made it leak worse. The bed of my truck is full of oil and I leave my mark everywhere. I plan to replace all the seals when I get some down time and money ( never at the same time). I have an 85 SA-200 that runs well and welds great just leaks oil and a little gas from the carb. Work is hoppin here in N Texas for pipeliners and rig repairs. Thanks for your replies,JohnJohn
Reply:[QUOTE=JohnJohn] Originally Posted by pipeliner2006 it does not use oil just leaks the crap out of it. Anyone know what to put in your oil to SLOW the leaks down? I put that STP crap in mine and it made it leak worse. The bed of my truck is full of oil and I leave my mark everywhere. I plan to replace all the seals when I get some down time and money ( never at the same time). I have an 85 SA-200 that runs well and welds great just leaks oil and a little gas from the carb. Work is hoppin here in N Texas for pipeliners and rig repairs. Thanks for your replies,JohnJohn
Reply:Steve,Thanks for the tip. I heard Lucas might slow it down.The hot pipeline areas are Cleburne, Weatherford and Aledo right now. I haven't ventured into the line yet because I'm busy doing rig repairs and structural work. Talked to X ray man the other day said co he was working for (didn't catch the name) required 8 in 6G ( 5p 70+), 2 in 5G ( 5P 70+) and 2 in 5G Low hydrogen. He said you get on with them you can go anywhere, even said inspector watches you hot pass etc to his specs. It was Longhorn Testing but don't know the pipeline co. I also heard another guy say he was on 30" and they were beveling by hand and having hell with root pass ( with a 5/32 ? ). Anyways... I can look around while I'm out and about and see who's hiring if you like. Take care and work safe.JOHNJOHN
Reply:Originally Posted by JohnJohnSteve,Thanks for the tip. I heard Lucas might slow it down.The hot pipeline areas are Cleburne, Weatherford and Aledo right now. I haven't ventured into the line yet because I'm busy doing rig repairs and structural work. Talked to X ray man the other day said co he was working for (didn't catch the name) required 8 in 6G ( 5p 70+), 2 in 5G ( 5P 70+) and 2 in 5G Low hydrogen. He said you get on with them you can go anywhere, even said inspector watches you hot pass etc to his specs. It was Longhorn Testing but don't know the pipeline co. I also heard another guy say he was on 30" and they were beveling by hand and having hell with root pass ( with a 5/32 ? ). Anyways... I can look around while I'm out and about and see who's hiring if you like. Take care and work safe.JOHNJOHN
Reply:Steve,There putting in a line off 35W near Denton that heads west towards Justin. It looked like 12" from the road. I followed the road until it turned to mud and never saw a soul. All the pipe is layed on the ground but no dunnage to be seen. It looked like about 6-8 miles from what I saw. I' ll ask around tommorrow. What's that 7016 like? I can handle all the downhill pipe welding and can run 7018 uphill good on steel but that first quarter ( 6:30 to 3:00 ) just eats my lunch on pipe. Need to practice I guess. I'd love to weld pipe all the time but It doesn't hurt to be diversified. I'll let you know if I find out who's hiring.Take care,JOHNJOHN
Reply:Thanks JohnJohn.Yes uphill pipe welding and downhill pipe welding are two different worlds.Also the 7016 LH Sucks.You take care to.Steve.
Reply:Hey Steve,Pumpco is putting in a 16" line near Denton and they also have a 12" and 24" going on in the area. I talked to a man named William Picket @ 979.716.9063. He said the test is on the pipe size your welding and it was procedure 1104 B in a 5G, 6G and branch if fabrication is required. He said he would call me back when he knew about test times or sites. I didn't ask about pay or per diem. You can call him and he will get you in the right direction. Good luck.JohnJohn
Reply:Thank you for the info JohnJohn.Steve.
Reply:i have  seen some of them 200 amp machines you guys are talking about melt off the coils on the  bottom....the dirt and dust gets in  there and  covers the bottom coil...it  gets  hot  and melts  off.....clean it once in a while it will save you big  bucks