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Ok, I'm a welder who knows the basics of filler metals on carbon, SS, and aluminum. But I really wanna dive more into the metallurgy side of things. What do I mean, exactly? "This grade of steel )or SS or aluminum) contains there percentages of this, that, and the other thing, and the best filler rod to use on this would be X." I thought about Google and Wikipedia but I fear I'd get some fasle knowledge, so I'd rather spend the money on some really good books for this kind of thing. I'm sure someone has found something good for this, if so then please let me know what it is!Thanks for the help!John
Reply:I'd have to head down to the shop to be sure, but the doorstop of a book titled, "The Procedures Handbook of Arc Welding" 14th Edition @ $25 should have what you are seeking. If not, try "Metals and How To Weld Them" @ $10. Both are on the Lincoln Electric website under Education in the James F. Lincoln Foundation>Educational Material >Books and you won't find either cheaper elsewhere unless you happen across one or both at a used book site. Here is the link to the site...I hope. http://www.jflfoundation.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=24BTW, both books are well worth the cost, which is deeply subsidized by the James F. Lincoln Foundation, and will answer nearly any question you may have on nearly every facet of welding if you take the time to go through them...no "bad" information, just time tested information gleaned by Lincoln throughout their years of being one of the major manufacturers of welding equipment and processes.Last edited by WyoRoy; 05-08-2014 at 05:23 PM.Lincoln PrecisionTig 275Miller 251Miller DialArc 250Bridgeport millHossfeld bender & diesLogan shaperJet 14 X 40 latheSouth Bend 9" 'C'Hypertherm 900Ellis 3000 band saw21"Royersford ExcelsiorTwo shops, still too many tools.
Reply:Thanks! I actually have some books from them but never saw those few on the site in the past. I'll have to order some, thanks!
Reply:Originally Posted by WyoRoyI'd have to head down to the shop to be sure, but the doorstop of a book titled, "The Procedures Handbook of Arc Welding" 14th Edition @ $25 should have what you are seeking. If not, try "Metals and How To Weld Them" @ $10. Both are on the Lincoln Electric website under Education in the James F. Lincoln Foundation>Educational Material >Books and you won't find either cheaper elsewhere unless you happen across one or both at a used book site. Here is the link to the site...I hope. http://www.jflfoundation.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=24BTW, both books are well worth the cost, which is deeply subsidized by the James F. Lincoln Foundation, and will answer nearly any question you may have on nearly every facet of welding if you take the time to go through them...no "bad" information, just time tested information gleaned by Lincoln throughout their years of being one of the major manufacturers of welding equipment and processes.
Reply:The Procedure Handbook is known as the welders "Bible" and for good reason; the best $25 you can spend. Additionally there is scads of free information available on Lincoln, Miller, and ESAB's web sites.Wikipedia is a bit thin on welding-related info, but there is a nearly endless amount of technical info out there if you know what you are looking for.JohnA few weldersA lot of hammersA whole lot of C-clamps
Reply:Metals and how to weld them is a good starting point.  Keep in mind that it does not cover modern alloys like duplex stainless and the equiaxial grained rolled steels.  I don't know the name of these but they are rolled at lower than regular forge temps and seeded with trace elements that prevent fracturing but create a stronger steel that has no grain direction.  They are regularly showing up on large structural projects.   I ran across and modern text I think was called "welding metalurgy".  I was sure temped to steal it out of that office.  Very well written for the beginner.  There was only the one copy... a publishers sample for instructors.  Best explaination of duplex I have read ... still not fully understood by myself but that is my age showing up.  One read just doesn't do it anymore.   All you can know is enough to ask the suits:  "Will that really work?  I thought there was a problem doing it that way"  They run to the phone and sure enough next day gas is changed, procedure is changed, or job is cancelled LOL.
Reply:NBS (national bureau of standards) Monograph 88 "Heat Treatment and Properties of Iron and Steel" has some good general information on metallurgy.   It was the main text used when I went thru the US Navy's 7 week heat treatment of metals school in the late 70s.   It's free to download here    http://digicoll.manoa.hawaii.edu/tec.../PDF/NBS88.pdf
Reply:It might be like drinking from a firehose, but this is the most complete reference I know of on welding stainless steel.  It's on my list of books to buy when I can afford to.“Welding Metallurgy and Weldabilityof Stainless Steels”, by Lippold &Kotecki, (Wiley & Sons)The author Damian Kotecki is a world renowned expert on welding stainless steels and dissimilar metals.  He worked for McKay, and later for decades for Lincoln Electric.  I suspect that he's forgotten more than most know about welding stainless steel. Originally Posted by JMcL213Ok, I'm a welder who knows the basics of filler metals on carbon, SS, and aluminum. But I really wanna dive more into the metallurgy side of things. What do I mean, exactly? "This grade of steel )or SS or aluminum) contains there percentages of this, that, and the other thing, and the best filler rod to use on this would be X." I thought about Google and Wikipedia but I fear I'd get some fasle knowledge, so I'd rather spend the money on some really good books for this kind of thing. I'm sure someone has found something good for this, if so then please let me know what it is!Thanks for the help!John
Reply:Volumes 4 & 5 (Materials and Applications, parts 1 & 2) of the AWS handbook series also has some of the kinds of information you're looking for.   Personally I think they're a little over priced for what you get though.  That Lincoln's "Procedures Handbook of Arc Welding" that WyoRoy has already told you about is a good basic place to start.   Especially if you can get the current edition for only $25.   I think that might probably be the best bang for your buck to get started with.   I've got the 12th Edition and make reference to it quite often.
Reply:This AWS handbook volumn 3 "Materials and applications" is just chock full of metallurgical information. A bit pricy but to the point, but covers virtually all of the weldable metals including some that are not, and even ceramics and plastics in thier application to welding. My copy eighth edition is 500 pages.Ebay has used volumns. http://www.ebay.com/itm/WELDING-HAND...item54078a05a5Weld like a "WELDOR", not a wel-"DERR" MillerDynasty700DX,Dynasty350DX4ea,Dynasty200DX,Li  ncolnSW200-2ea.,MillerMatic350P,MillerMatic200w/spoolgun,MKCobraMig260,Lincoln SP-170T,PlasmaCam/Hypertherm1250,HFProTig2ea,MigMax1ea.
Reply:This website has a whole series of articles on all aspects of welding, including those topics you're interested in.  TWI is a reputable organization and I wouldn't hesitate to accept what they've written as reliable information.  There's a 130 articles on anything and everything under the sun that deals with welding and cutting.http://www.twi-global.com/technical-...job-knowledge/Benson's Mobile Welding - Dayton, OH metro area - AWS Certified Welding Inspector
Reply:@ A dab will do : I've got the book you mentioned, and can tell you that is indeed a nice book to have.You might want to search the interwebz, as I have also found it in pdf version.
Reply:Won't help you much with the metallurgical make up of the metals, but if you want to know what electrode to use for various metals, try to find a copy of MIL-STD-248 or MIL-STD-278.  It groups various base metals and electrodes into group types and specifies how what base metals groups go with what electrode types.  It also specifies what is required to qualify a welding procedure, a welder, and what cross qualifications are allowed.  To get the chemical make up of various metals, you'll either have to get the actual material specification or a handbook that list that kind of things.
Reply:Been a while since I've heard reference made to MIL-STD-278.  That and MIL-STD-250-1500 were the main documents that governed how things got done while I was learning to weld.   In the past I've also done a bunch of work to MIL-STD-1595A.   Not sure the 278 would be all that helpful to the OP but hey, you can download it for free here. http://www.everyspec.com/MIL-STD/MIL...TD-278F_17051/That NBS Monograph 88 I posted a link to above has tables giving the chemical composition limits of most of the major steels.   At least the ones that were around in 1966.
Reply:In the beginning.... http://habairon.org/History/Metal%20History.pdf"Discovery is to see what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody else has thought" - Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
Reply:@ JMcL213 - endeavor to find this book, http://pubs.aws.org/p/310/wm141994-f...y-vol1-aws-wm1.  Check used (online) and university/CC libraries.  FWM VI is extremely comprehensive and will keep you engaged a long time.  "Discovery is to see what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody else has thought" - Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
Reply:Thanks for all the information I was about to make a thread about this exact topic.
Reply:"Discovery is to see what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody else has thought" - Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
Reply:Dr. Tom Eagar from MIT has tons of excellent welding metallurgy vids on YouTube.    Super bright with a practical sense and great historical context/stories.  Recommend starting with his "Fusion Welding" series from 2001.  If you want to know "Why?" in materials and welding, check out Tom's presentations.http://eagar.mit.edu/classes.html"Discovery is to see what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody else has thought" - Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
Reply:Another pretty good resource on metallurgy is Carroll Smith's book "Engineer to Win".It's more geared to race car fabrication but has some great info on material failure and the how & why things break.
Reply:Superior presentation by Miller/Hobart on steps to avoid cracking in aluminum alloys, http://awo.aws.org/wp-content/upload...inumAlloys.pdf"Discovery is to see what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody else has thought" - Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
Reply:Add another vote for "Metals and How to Weld Them." It's a great little book.