Freezing Consumables?

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A salesman my company deals with on a regular basis stops in and tells me he knows a company that will take GMAW gun tips and nozzles and freeze them... This company claims that by freezing the copper tips and nozzles the grain structure tightens up and increases the life span of the tips and nozzles... I have never heard of anything like this.They offered to freeze some of our tips for free to check out, so I said sure what the heck.I have my thoughts and opinions already, but will look at this experiment with an open mind...What are everybodies thoughts?
Reply:Well then here in Northern MN the tips should last forever after this winter Heck, I probably stopped aging for 4 months Dave J.Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw~ Syncro 350Invertec v250-sThermal Arc 161 and 300MM210DialarcTried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Reply:One thing that comes to mind................ Pet rock! Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Sort of like cryo treating engine parts I guessSent from my SGH-T999L using Tapatalk
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Reply:Originally Posted by CEPOne thing that comes to mind................ Pet rock!
Reply:One of the other fellas already mentioned cryogenic treatment, it is often used for weapon parts, barrels specifically most often, and it does result in stronger and more accurate barrels. I am sure that other metallic objects could benefit from this. Likely a bit cost prohibitive though. I'll be interested to see if you actually see a benefit from this. Good luck and best regards, Allanaevald
Reply:I get into this discussion around cryo treating barrels all the time. There is a community of guys that just love the mini-14 platform and hate the AR platform. They are constantly espousing the benefits of doing this to their guns. The thing is, it is a complete waste of money, at least when it comes to guns. From Shilen Should I "cryo" my barrel?If you have heard that the cryogenic treatment stress relieves steel, this is false. We have measured the residual stress in 4140 and 416 steel with a process called x-ray diffraction.  After much R&D, we have not been able to measure any changes in molecular stress after cryo treatment.  For this reason we do not endorse the cryogenic process, but we can safely say that it is not detrimental to the barrel either.
Reply:Here's another good reference.  http://www.armalite.com/images/Tech%...00%20Final.pdfIf this doesn't work for gun steel, I am not sure why it would work for copper.Miller Multimatic 255
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveWell then here in Northern MN the tips should last forever after this winter Heck, I probably stopped aging for 4 months
Reply:Originally Posted by storemanDave,Too bad you can't erase that 4 months.  Think how much better you would be getting around.Jerry
Reply:Originally Posted by MinnesotaDaveHa!  But I'm gonna live 4 extra months Keep having winters like that and I'll live to be 100....so I can chase around young cute nurses half my age
Reply:Originally Posted by mla2ofusIn your wheelchair?? LOL!!
Reply:Originally Posted by Louie1961I get into this discussion around cryo treating barrels all the time. There is a community of guys that just love the mini-14 platform and hate the AR platform. They are constantly espousing the benefits of doing this to their guns. The thing is, it is a complete waste of money, at least when it comes to guns. From Shilen
Reply:Cyro is a waste?I just heard a comment from a Metallurgist Engineer last week that it is done quite often on parts for Nuclear Reactors.I have read alot of OLDER articles before the Internet existed on the subject of Rifle Barrels being done, back then most thought it helped. In my old Hi-Power days at Camp Perry, we were using Garands and M-14's with a few 03-a3's, M16 platforms were a Novelty for close range shooting. I was done shooting by the time heavier Bullets and Fast Twist Barrels came out, but I know they are performers now!On the subject of the Salesman trying to "Sell" you on this, tell him you want to try some samples to see if they indeed last longer.Always Good to get Freebies!
Reply:Works on gear sets and axle shafts. I don't think it would work on copper parts, the big problem there isn't wear or strength it's heat and spatter. I've never worn out a mig tip but I sure have melted a few or stuck the wire so bad in the tip that I just cut it off and put a new one on.
Reply:My thoughts from the beginning was that this was a bunch of baloney, but the company was willing to freeze a bunch of our consumables for free, so sure what the hell I will give it a try. We should be recieving the consumables back soon. I will look at this with an open mind, but I will be shocked it if does work.
Reply:Originally Posted by drujininCyro is a waste?I just heard a comment from a Metallurgist Engineer last week that it is done quite often on parts for Nuclear Reactors.
Reply:We go through hundreds of thousands of precision razor blades at work per year. Had on company claim they could increase blade life by cryo treating them. Did it for a year trial with absolutely no result other then 2x more expensive blades to slit plastic film.Airco Heliweld II AC/DC HomeMade Wire FeederLincoln 255PLincoln HD130Everlast PP804x8 CNC TableWelding helps me build my hobbies and takes up time on the side.
Reply:Originally Posted by StickWeldor87... by freezing the copper tips and nozzles the grain structure tightens up and increases the life span of the tips and nozzles...