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I was just about to order some 1.25 magnifying lens for my helmet when I came across cheater magnifying lenses. Ads for these cheaters claim nothing different. So what in the world are cheater lenses?Last edited by Cardinal Grammeter; 06-15-2014 at 04:44 AM.
Reply:Same. Simple magnification glasses for us old folks are commonly referred to as "cheaters". Hence the reference.
Reply:I suspected that but where in the world did "cheater" come from?Thanks for the clarification!
Reply:Originally Posted by Cardinal GrammeterI suspected that but where in the world did "cheater" come from?Thanks for the clarification!
Reply:Maybe consider the cheap reading glasses instead of a cheater lens. Some welders prefer that over a lens and they work kind of like safety glasses . Buddy tried them out at a Walgreen's and then bought a package deal set from Sams .
Reply:you know you're really blind if you need glasses and a #2 cheater under the hood.i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:Originally Posted by BD1Maybe consider the cheap reading glasses instead of a cheater lens. Some welders prefer that over a lens and they work kind of like safety glasses . Buddy tried them out at a Walgreen's and then bought a package deal set from Sams .
Reply:Consider using the cheap, over the counter perscription safety glasses. That way you have the magnification you need, hood up or down, and real safety glasses in place. They cost a little more than walmart readers but what would you pay to have your vision back?
Reply:Young people adapt to close up focus by squeezing the eyeball using muscles surrounding it. Old people find it difficult as the muscles relax. I use 1.00 cheater glasses reading fine print along with a computer screen a bit farther away, For close detail stuff,1.75. Checking my first grade teacher wife for head lice 2.00.Welding I find a compromise of 1.00 glasses with a helmet lens of 1.50 works pretty well. Pupils are dilated, there isn't a lot of light. Getting old is a PITA!
Reply:Yeah, I'm 61 and I used to paint the insignias on the buttons of HO scale model soldiers with a 3-hair brush! I could focus on my finger tip when held just above my nose.I think that all gets ruined when you sit at a desk or anything where your eyes are at a fixed distance for periods of time.Anyhow, the worst thing in the world is working under the dash of a car. When its really bad, I have to take TWO pairs of reading glasses for the desired focal range.I know just about everyone here is talking electric welding, but I do still the majority oxy-acetylene and I have one of those eyes only 2x4 lens goggles with the flip up for protection which chipping. I've been using reading glasses but they are pretty cramped under those small goggles and it would be nice to have the "cheater" lens as they say.I wonder what people use if they have the big 4x4ish auto dimming lenses? I suppose reading glasses are it. There are also clip-on reading glasses that would work on regular frame safety glasses too.I will say this, watching your puddle 6-8" away (with a full face shield even if oxy-acetylene (!) ) can really up your quality. There is nothing like magnification to see more accurately. (I really hate it when I go to a dentist and they don't have any kind of magnification gear one when they are drilling out a tooth. Some of them are real "butchers.")I'm waiting for someone to make Zoom Cheaters (!) Canon image stabilized binoculars uses a liquid filled lens where they can change the parallelism between the face plates to shift the image for stabilization. Maybe some kind of technology like that could produce a zoom effect.And then there are surgical loupes. These are the 800 Pound Gorilla of "eye mounted" magnification. Usually "stuck" on plain lens glasses, they allow 5-10x magnification from 24" away! This is some really nice stuff. They are good for precision lathe work too. Have wanted these for years and never made the plunge. (But I do have about 5 stereo microscopes and a boom stand that lets me inspect automotive head valve jobs - and motherboards.And kudos to the Bass Fishermen who tie their own lures. Those guys are into uber magnification too (!)
Reply:My Miller helmet has a bracket to slip a 2.5x4.5 magnifier in it. The cheater isn't as big as the outer lens.
Reply:Cardinal-GrammeterI have worn glasses for .833% of my life - and have worn trifocals for 15+ years - LASIK may be next.My take on the term Cheaters for a Magnifying Lenses is . . . Cheaters cost a fraction: of an extensive eye exam, and the multiple pairs of glasses to properly provide the vision that an experienced welder needs/wants for all position welding.When I had the eyes, I didn't have the expertise - now that I have the expertise - I don't have the eyes.Think of Cheaters as Viagra for your Peepers . . .Opus
Reply:For those already wearing bifocals or trifocals you'll find looking thru a 2x4 lense you can't look thru the lower or bifocal part of your glasses. The cheater gets you around this problem. MikeOl' Stonebreaker "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:When I was first examined for my first set of bifocals, I was amazed that basically, the eye doctor let me pick the magnification I wanted. So it really wasn't more than picking up reading glasses from the rack at the closeout store.Of course interocular distance would be off but for limited use, it really doesn't matter.As far as astigmatism correction goes, it actually reduces the range of vision for a given lens - so, again, basically back to the 99 cent reading glasses rack.One interesting story about bifocals, eye doctor told me that some electricians get their bifocals on the top since they are always looking up when working close. Interesting.
Reply:Originally Posted by OPUS FERROCardinal-GrammeterI have worn glasses for .833% of my life - and have worn trifocals for 15+ years - LASIK may be next.My take on the term Cheaters for a Magnifying Lenses is . . . Cheaters cost a fraction: of an extensive eye exam, and the multiple pairs of glasses to properly provide the vision that an experienced welder needs/wants for all position welding.When I had the eyes, I didn't have the expertise - now that I have the expertise - I don't have the eyes.Think of Cheaters as Viagra for your Peepers . . .Opus
Reply:Reading glasses work fine if distance were always predictable. My arms are so much more versatile than my eyes! For me, at arms length I don't need much magnification. Up close, I need more. I can take off a pair of cheaters, still having a weak cheater in the helmet. The added plus of a cheater in my helmet is the boys aren't tempted to borrow it.
Reply:Originally Posted by Willie B... The added plus of a cheater in my helmet is the boys aren't tempted to borrow it.
Reply:Originally Posted by OPUS FERROWhen I had the eyes, I didn't have the expertise - now that I have the expertise - I don't have the eyes.Opus
Reply:I notice that even with cheater lenses in both of my helmets, I have good days and bad days.Seems the ambient light is a factor in being able to see also.I have 2.0's to which some days I see through my eyeglasses fine, other days I need to look over the top of them to use only the 2.0.
Reply:I too am finding that the "sweet spot" for seeing things clearly keeps getting smaller and harder to compensate for. Been wearing bifocals and using various cheaters for at least 15 years now. Ambient light is getting to be another problem, there hardly ever seems to be enough of it. I'm anticipating the day some bright lad comes up with an adjustable focal length cheater lens that's part of a welding hood system. Just like you can turn a knob to adjust the shade on an AD hood you'd be able to turn a knob to adjust the focal length. Last time I got my eyes examined I was talking to the Doc about this and according to him the technology to accomplish this is coming. There's already a pair of glasses available that can adjust the focal length by means of a back and forth mechanical slider built into the bridge of the frames. http://superfocus.com/Here's some other info on this I find encouraging. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjusta...cus_eyeglasses |
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