from marvel to zenith..help..

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Ok. I went with a zenith carb. On the throttle, between the zenith and marvel, are different. How do I connect the rods? In the pics, the new zenith has a bar with two holes, one above the shaft and one below. On the marvel they both connected above the shaft. How do I deal with this delema. Its almost like I need to swap out the throttle shafts, will they swap? Any one seen this before? Help please.1968 f163My gosh, runs like a dream. Its an old harley! Attached ImagesWHAT DOES NOT KILL US, MAKES US STRONGER...http://www.myspace.com/painter22
Reply:It's not going to be the easiest carb to retrofit.Your new carb's lever looks peened to the throttle shaft.Some replacement carbs have bolt-on levers, and the kits are packed with a fistful of various levers.To use the new carb, you'll have to somehow transfer the levers, not the shaft.Do both shafts open in the same direction?Be careful not to over speed the engine during your trials.Good Luck
Reply:Cut the portion of lever below the shaft off, fit it to the remaining lever at the same angle as the Marvel and weld it in place.Just curious - why did you change to the Zenith instead of just rebuilding the Marvel?MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:The levers must remain independent to maintain idler and governor function.
Reply:??  Both levers clamp rigid to the throttle shaft unless you mean the ability to adjust the idler lever yoke is lost by welding the two together which I agree.  As such, it would have to be positioned properly from the start or a means provided to adjust the idler link.Correction to my previous post - the cut off section would have to be welded to the shaft itself inboard of the governor lever to allow clearance for the idler link yoke.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:OK denrep, I realize what you're saying now.  The idler lever moves freely on the throttle shaft and contacts the idler yoke (clamped to throttle shaft) to pull it back to the idle position.  When the vacuum idler 'releases', the throttle shaft is allowed to rotate freely inside the idler lever while being controlled by the governor link and rigid governor lever.I've only fooled with the electronic idler which had fixed levers for both governor and idler links.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Its been kind of a long story but the marvel has a part missing and for some reason I understood the zenith is a better carb. I did think they would have hooked up the same. The carb lever is pressed. argggg. Yes, the carb throttles the same direction.Nothing else came with this carb.I will have to try to fit the connection clamps from the marvel to zenith.Thanks for responding,Last edited by troyboy; 11-18-2009 at 06:55 AM.WHAT DOES NOT KILL US, MAKES US STRONGER...http://www.myspace.com/painter22
Reply:Someone sold you the wrong Zenith. We use the Zenith that has the two arms just like the Marvel. Since you have the Zenith, just lightly hit the carb shaft end with small grinder, remove solid arm, move both bolted on arms from Marvel to Zenith, and you are back in business. weldersales
Reply:Originally Posted by weldersalesSomeone sold you the wrong Zenith. We use the Zenith that has the two arms just like the Marvel. Since you have the Zenith, just lightly hit the carb shaft end with small grinder, remove solid arm, move both bolted on arms from Marvel to Zenith, and you are back in business. weldersales
Reply:That was just too easy.  Didn't involve any welding.OK, you did use a grinder though.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:whoo hoo, I did fire up the grinder. Please visit, "wont weld" post.WHAT DOES NOT KILL US, MAKES US STRONGER...http://www.myspace.com/painter22