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So I'm debating on upgrading my air compressor or not. It doens't play well with my sandblast cabinet. It's a 12gallon craftsman vertical. Works fine, but 40psi and only 3.7scfm. It kicks on every few minutes to keep up, I have it run inline with another tank and a 50 foot hose reel. So total is probably 16-17gallons. Looking to upgrade to something that meets the following:runs on 110vbelt drivenQuieter if possibleMinimal of 20 gallonsVertical or horizontal doesn't matter. I was looking at reviews and it seems the husky from home depot are terrible. Someone had a video of a kobalt from lowes on youtube that the casting exploded. No thank you. Dewalts are SUPER nice but 3x the price of what they should be. Ideally anything with a higher scfm rating is nice, and quieter and made in the USA.Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:The 110v is going to really limit your horsepower and therefore limit your CFM.  Any way you can swing 220v?Dynasty200DX w/coolmate1MM210MM VintageESAB miniarc161ltsLincoln AC225Victor O/A, Smith AW1ACutmaster 81IR 2475N7.5FPRage3Jancy USA1019" SBAEAD-200LE
Reply:If all you can get is 110v try this one http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/...sor/p8160.html       But still only 7.1 cfm but also the biggest 110v i could find.But as previously stated 230v would be much better. If you are putting this in your garage you probably already have 230v there you just need to have an outlet put in. Another benefit is if you put in an outlet you can run bigger welders plasma etc.
Reply:You should have a 230v, 2 stage, 60-80g compressor for what you are doing.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:60 or 80 gallon 2 stage for sand blasting period. You will work a 110v to death or spen most of your time wainting on your compressor.Tractor supply carries a 80 gallon 16 CFM at 90 PSI 100% duty cycle 2 stage for $999.99 hard to beat for that price. http://www.tractorsupply.com/ingerso...0-gal--3496129I looked everywhere and can not beat this model for the price.  Ihave had it for 2 years and it is nice and quiet I say again quiet compared to a oil less noise machine.Donnelly Small Engine & WeldingFoley AlabamaLincoln 225 TigLinoln 215 migHypertherm Powermax 65Ellis 1600 sawEllis 6000 belt grinderJD2 Model 4 tubing benderAtlas  12"X54" metal latheLots of large hammers
Reply:TSC has Ingersols that are very nice for right around 600.00.  But you need 220 or youre never going to get the performance you need to run a sand blaster.  It would also be a struggle for a larger plasma cutter or extensive use of air tools like DA sanders, drills, and grinders.  Upgrade the power and buy a real compressor, or keep buying 110's.  Sooner or later you will have spent the equal amount and made several trips to the store.  Thats time away from  your work or hobby.  Just my .02, take it FWIW, I am a cheap Bazturd so I only try to spend the money once.BobI'm spending my Kids inheritance, I dont like him that much anyway!!!!!!Enuff tools to do the job, enough sense to use em.Anybody got a spare set of kidneys?  Trade?
Reply:Sand Blaster or "Blast Cabinet"......?  Makes a difference.
Reply:Originally Posted by cwood3Sand Blaster or "Blast Cabinet"......?  Makes a difference.
Reply:What does your gun manufacturer call for air requirements?  I really hated, grind for 2 min, wait 5 min, grind for 2, wait 5Beer has food value, Food has no beer value
Reply:It doesn't have a gallon requirment. I just needed more volume basically and less wait time. The compressor on my little 12 gallon is tiny and takes a little while to fill.I just realized that this compressor has been tinkered with. The pressure switch isn't the one that came on it, nor the gauge or anything else. Oh well. As long as it works. I'm going to have my dad look it over and we are going to add another gauge and maybe change out the regulator. Maybe take it off my old one. I don't know, will see what he recommends.Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:gamble , that's what the long hose is for.  Just buy a 220V compressor , stick it in the corner over there by the electrical box or back yard wherever it is.....if you look everyday on CL , you will find a big compressor for 200. Or , just breakdown and buy a new 60 gallon vertical with your tax refund        thermal arc 252i  -  millermatic 350P -   miller XMT, cp300ts, 30a 22a feeders, buttload of other millers, handfull of lincolns, couple of esabs  -   Hypertherm 1250 G3
Reply:I can't use a 220v, please stop saying that.Torchmate 2x2 CNC with Flashcut CNC controlsHypertherm Powermax45 Esab ET220i Razorweld 195 MigRazorweld 200ac/dc TigTormach 770, Tormach xstechRazorweld, Vipercut/Vipermig, SSC Foot Pedal Dealer
Reply:if you have 110V then you have 220V also.  For some reason im starting to think Gamble is a little kid.  That craftsman compressor there  is a direct drive noisy POS turd .  If it had a  bigger tank , it would be a bigger turd ! its just not going to have the CFM like he said above ^ The only sandblaster that will power is a paashe air eraser.        thermal arc 252i  -  millermatic 350P -   miller XMT, cp300ts, 30a 22a feeders, buttload of other millers, handfull of lincolns, couple of esabs  -   Hypertherm 1250 G3
Reply:Originally Posted by woi2ldif you have 110V then you have 220V also.  For some reason im starting to think Gamble is a little kid.  That craftsman compressor there  is a direct drive noisy POS turd .  If it had a  bigger tank , it would be a bigger turd ! its just not going to have the CFM like he said above ^ The only sandblaster that will power is a paashe air eraser.
Reply:Gamble Why did you ask us a question if you dont want the answer, a 110 is what you want than why ask. Everyone is telling you that a 110 compressor is not not and never will be sufficiant for what you are doing. That is the facts like it or lump it.Second you have 220 in your house everyone does 110 is just one leg of the 220 service. You just dont want to spend the money or dont know how to run a 220 line from your outside fuse box. So enjoy your 110v compressor but dont ask questions you dont really want the answer to. You bought a tool that you knew nothing about what it took to run it and you still dont. CFM requirements for a sandblaster are off the chart your 110 compressor does not have the CFM to run a die grinder much less a sand blasterDonnelly Small Engine & WeldingFoley AlabamaLincoln 225 TigLinoln 215 migHypertherm Powermax 65Ellis 1600 sawEllis 6000 belt grinderJD2 Model 4 tubing benderAtlas  12"X54" metal latheLots of large hammers
Reply:I also dont think you understand quite how a compressor works tank size means little in the CFM long haul. The tank holds air untill the compressor kicks on in your case 15 seconds to 30 seconds. Then the motor has to meet or exceed the CFM requirements of the tool. Also duty cycle come in to play at this point your 110v compressor has a very low duty cycle before it burns up or trips a breaker. Most decent 220 compressors have a 100% duty cycle meaning they can run at their rated CFM all day long everyday. Before you buy a tool always make sure you have the ability to run it. You are not getting even close to the potential out of you sand blaster that you should be if you had the proper compressor.Donnelly Small Engine & WeldingFoley AlabamaLincoln 225 TigLinoln 215 migHypertherm Powermax 65Ellis 1600 sawEllis 6000 belt grinderJD2 Model 4 tubing benderAtlas  12"X54" metal latheLots of large hammers
Reply:I wouldn't even say a decent 220 volt machine can run 100% duty cycle we have puked out IRS in less than a year along with a couple of Eatons running approximately 60%. While the extra tank will give more reserve for short bursts at start up a too small machine will aways show through. If you must use too small of machine invest in quality synthetic oil. Also if it has been played with make sure to check pressure vs what the tank is rated for. No drain would make me question the tank integrity if rust is forming good luckMillermatic 252millermatic 175miller 300 Thunderboltlincoln ranger 250smith torcheslots of bfh'sIf it dont fit get a bigger hammer
Reply:Farmall:" we have puked out IRS in less than a year along with a couple of Eaton "I am looking to put a compressor on my truck, weight and size are issues ( and of course money )I want it to run pretty much three things, air impact, plasma cutter and possibly a needle scaler or a sander, none at the the same time.So I was looking at a gas powered Eaton seriously give me the low down on the bad stuff.
Reply:Yes farmall, please give the info on how at 60% an Eaton comp. wouldn't last. I'm looking at their 5hp single phase, 2-stage 60 gal set-up. They (Eaton) have a 5 year guarentee. (not pro-rated)  Don't see anything else that I like.
Reply:The Eatons kept taking out cranks bearings. They seemed to run hot even with synthetic oil. It was a 15 HP with a 120 gal tank plus another 80 gal balance tank. Eaton was good with warranty they did ours twice but even with three pumps only got approximately 3000 Hrs. Warranty was waiting for freight company to come so at least a week usually 2 weeks.  Meanwhile our 5 HP saylor befalls would run round the clock but keep going. The ir was a 7.5hp from northern toolbox that ran too fast and blew alot of oil. The other thing with eaton was the only thing not American made was the pump.Millermatic 252millermatic 175miller 300 Thunderboltlincoln ranger 250smith torcheslots of bfh'sIf it dont fit get a bigger hammer
Reply:Skyhi ours was running at 60 percent 24 Hrs a day. We figured this to. Be big enough since we were only using a 5 HP previously even with twice monthly oil changes with amsoil synthetic oil it would be burnt eventually they would shake till the pump mounts would break. For an occasional user probablybe fine not industrialMillermatic 252millermatic 175miller 300 Thunderboltlincoln ranger 250smith torcheslots of bfh'sIf it dont fit get a bigger hammer
Reply:Farmshop,I am looking at a lot smaller unit than yours, and gas powered to boot. I was thinking 14-18 cfm with a 20 (ish gallon tank ) I want to mount on my truck and I am not looking at near your duty cycle.Yeah I like Saylor and Curtis, but all a lot bigger than I am looking for I would like to keep my compressor at the sub 300 pound range.Been dinking around with build or buy option ( all in my head ).
Reply:Thx for the reply farmshop (not farmall), the Eaton website shows them doing their own assembly of the pumps themselves. How long ago did the failures happen? I figured a $1300 compressor "should last" me the next 20 yrs. Amsoil--NEVER for me!! Will have to checkout the saylor brand. Thx again farmshop for the real world work use conditions review the comp were exposed to.
Reply:Bought it 2-3 years ago. The saylor bealls are from Michigan and pricey like 4000 10 years ago for a 5hp 80gal.Millermatic 252millermatic 175miller 300 Thunderboltlincoln ranger 250smith torcheslots of bfh'sIf it dont fit get a bigger hammer
Reply:Fred the service truck design I like the guy has a electric clutch to run the pump off his engine drive welder seems you can run a bigger pump this way vs electric motor plus one less engine to start. Either that or pro driveMillermatic 252millermatic 175miller 300 Thunderboltlincoln ranger 250smith torcheslots of bfh'sIf it dont fit get a bigger hammerFarmshop,I am interested in that, I could score a Cutris E-57 compressor right now used, and my Perkins d3-152 is 38 HP, I also can lay hands on a 20 gallon underbed propane tank, which would give about 23 cfm as opposed to the 14 CFM  I am looking at, for about the same weight ( Curtis e-57 120-140 lbs, tank 80 lbs, other assorted bs to get it working 50-70 lbs.So first question is how is it done without butchering my welder?I have looked at this from a bunch of different angles, electric running of a inverter, seperate gas engine, hydraulic motor, DC motor, and everything has drawbacks and I really haven't settled on a solution yet, but not pulling a recoil start motor is a major goal.Second and last question is have you heard of Schulz compressor heads? If so any feedback?ThanksFS
Reply:Never heard of them. The way I have seen it was off a bobcat and Lincoln ranger and they had a jack shaft bolted to the flywheel with a electric clutch ran off a pressure switch. Also saw a old welden power where the guy had a belt pulley with a manual tension on they flywheel he would let it pump up till it popped the relief valve not my first choice.Millermatic 252millermatic 175miller 300 Thunderboltlincoln ranger 250smith torcheslots of bfh'sIf it dont fit get a bigger hammer
Reply:I look at , stare at and research piston type compressors almost daily . Sometimes feel i should work at a compressor shop. I was  hung up on eatons for a few years. I bet they are outstanding for a regular guy small shop. Two of there pumps are an exact copy of a Saylor Beal minus the pressure lube pump to the main crank bearing , so they are regular splash lubricated like 99.9% of the compressors out there.....as a painter , pumps start to pass oil after a few years , so price is important to me since i have to buy every few years. I kind of always wanted a DvAir since im a painter , ther pumps are pressure lubed , but not the same way as a high end curtis or the higher end quincys(not northern tool quincys)  Ive heard good things about shultz to.  I dont think i can pass-up getting one next. There USA made in Georgia i think.  There 5hp is 20cfm@175psi and there 7.5hp 80gallon is 30cfm@175psi , i dont think anybody beating that rite now. and at 1500$ total price SHIPPED!!! = 30 fukn CFM shipped to your door!!!.....damnLast edited by woi2ld; 03-29-2012 at 11:41 PM.Reason: felt like it        thermal arc 252i  -  millermatic 350P -   miller XMT, cp300ts, 30a 22a feeders, buttload of other millers, handfull of lincolns, couple of esabs  -   Hypertherm 1250 G3
Reply:"  Ive heard good things about shultz to. I dont think i can pass-up getting one next. There USA made in Georgia i think."I think the pumps are made in Brazil ( I think ? ) then assembled in Georgia. Still toying with this Eaton portable ( no hassle order it $1100 ) 14 CFM delivered. Or custom build may own with a Schutz.For that amount I can build a lot more CFM.Been busy with bed, boxes and painting but compressor is coming on soon.
Reply:Farmshop" The Eatons kept taking out cranks bearings. "I was at my local air compressor repair place they didn't like the Eaton pumps either, basically the owner said Chinese Cr......And yes bearings was what he didn't like.
Reply:I don't know who does their advertising but they are good. They like to put made in USA stickers all over just not on the important part.Millermatic 252millermatic 175miller 300 Thunderboltlincoln ranger 250smith torcheslots of bfh'sIf it dont fit get a bigger hammer
Reply:What's the least compressor I need to run a small plasma cutter for home use? i.e. not professional and running full time.Lincoln Squarewave 175Ex-aircraft sheet metal guy
Reply:Gamble, try Phillips Air Compressor, about 50XX or 60XX something, south Western Ave. Or AirCompressorsDirect.com, out of Bolingbrook."Where's Stick man????????" - 7A749"SHHHHHH!! I sent him over to snag that MIC-4 while tbone wasn't looking!" - duaneb55"I have bought a few of Tbone's things unlike Stick-Man who helps himself" - TozziWelding"Stick-man"
Reply:" What's the least compressor I need to run a small plasma cutter for home use"Thats a tricky number, how thick does your plasma cut? Thicker the metal the more air, a good rule of thumb for an 40 amp plasma is about 8 cfm, which might give a bit of overhead.
Reply:Thanks. I'll go with the 8cfm as a general rule of thumbLincoln Squarewave 175Ex-aircraft sheet metal guy