atv disc harrow any help?

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Im planning on making a few food plots for hunting next year but to buy the equipment to do so will leave me broke. i was wondering if any one here has made one I've searched the site for disc harrow and ill i got was stuff about disc sanders. I live and work on a farm but were i wana do the plots are in the back part of the woods and i can't fit the big equipment in there (agco d250 or the 205 and 60 ft land pride disc or the finisher). so was thinking on building one to pull with my four wheeler. Im in need of some advice whats the best way to build one and set it up. i like the idea of the flip over to transport ones. And google has been nice on the ideas but i would like your guys input before i give it a go in my shop. i have plenty of old discs that are to worn to use on the big stuff but will be great behind the four wheeler. Im sure there are a few hunters and fabricators out there that like to build and not buy. so post a way with pics of your creations. i will keep u guys updated with pics when i start my build. adman feel free to move or delete my post if its in the wrong area.trailblazer 302 spoolmatic 25a with wc-24thermal arc 161s tig rigmillermatic 200dialarc 250 hf tig rig with spool gun and boxand wanting more......
Reply:Where are you located?  I have a 6' disc that I'll turn loose of.30+ yrs Army Infantry & Field Artillery, 25 yrs agoMiller 350LX Tig Runner TA 210, spool gunLincoln 250/250 IdealArcESAB PCM 500i PlasmaKazoo 30"  vert BSKazoo 9x16 horiz BSClausing 12x24 lathe20T Air Press
Reply:Here you can rent a serious heavy duty walk behind self propelled tiller pretty cheap, heck the trailer it comes on would probably tow behind an atv easy.  I'd think hard about just doing that, couple bucks but it's single pass and your doing actual tillage, not what some of these yuppies think they are doing with some cheezmo disc behind a quad, just grazing the surface.  I realize it's not as fast but it's a single stage process.  Go in and burndown spray to kill the weeds, till and plant.
Reply:dang wish i was closer i live in ohio. ross county to be exact Originally Posted by storemanWhere are you located?  I have a 6' disc that I'll turn loose of.
Reply:I actually looked in to that and was planing on doing that but i got ahold of a friend with a tiller that goes on his little tractor he owes me a favor  and is going to help me get the plot started with that so i don't have to use the disc but to level it out a little and then hit it again before i plant it. Ill use the disc for following years to help tear it up a little each year to replant.   Originally Posted by cd19Here you can rent a serious heavy duty walk behind self propelled tiller pretty cheap, heck the trailer it comes on would probably tow behind an atv easy.  I'd think hard about just doing that, couple bucks but it's single pass and your doing actual tillage, not what some of these yuppies think they are doing with some cheezmo disc behind a quad, just grazing the surface.  I realize it's not as fast but it's a single stage process.  Go in and burndown spray to kill the weeds, till and plant.
Reply:Look on CL & should be able to find a 6-8 footer for sub $500. Then chop it up to what you want. Auctions are another good source. A lot of times going for scrap value; especially if they're bent or in need of some TLC.
Reply:Originally Posted by chevyrigI actually looked in to that and was planing on doing that but i got ahold of a friend with a tiller that goes on his little tractor he owes me a favor  and is going to help me get the plot started with that so i don't have to use the disc but to level it out a little and then hit it again before i plant it. Ill use the disc for following years to help tear it up a little each year to replant.
Reply:chevyrigIt's evident your request is common practice in yourterritory.For hunters 'West of the Rockies' could you give us a 'whiff' of what your requested pieces/parts perform,and what the 'perfect' intended/final product would be.And: please include some Rule & Reg. background . . .Opus
Reply:your just trying to bust my bubble aren't you lol. sadly his does not have a tail board so it won't be all nice and smooth to start, the tail board he had it bent all to hell from him backing it into a post and bending things up pretty bad thats actually how i aguired the favor i straightened it out and got it in working order but he trashed the door and didn't want me to put one back on.  i kninda figured it would be hard the next year but ill try and catch it after a rain when its still little soft.  Originally Posted by cd19If it's like most tractor tillers with a tail board you won't need to smooth anything off.  Problem is, next year the dirt will be just about as hard again.
Reply:A 4' section of spike harrow w/ plenty of weight added. Just stir it up enough to seed.                                             MikeOl' Stonebreaker  "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:Although I farm, I don't have any experience with doing what you are doing because "baiting" is illegal around here. If you are talking about planting rows of corn in the middle of a bush, I wouldn't till it. I would put a yard sprayer on the back of your ATV and spray the area with roundup. Next I would find a research farm with plots and borrow/rent a small zero till seeder that you could pull and plant with. I can't see that the "crop" is going to be very productive either way.250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
Reply:well I'm from ohio and we farm a lot of acreage and have some large crep ground and wooded areas. The deer have a large area to roam around and they tend to stay in the corn fields till dark only comeing out during the day to go from one to another and in that slim window they don't stop easily with out spooking. so i intend to make a small food plot on one of there main paths to get them to stop and get a bite to eat giving me the chance to draw the bow back and smack them. the food plot will have clover, alfalfa, oats, winter wheat, and some other tasty greens. The plot depending on how and when its planted tends to stay nice and green when every thing else around it it turning brown. The plot helps keep the deer in a area and places to stop and get a different food source in ohio we are aloud to use feeders but i don't see the point in them when the deer can get there corn from the field. Now the way most people make these food plots are by using implements pulled by atv due to the remoteness of the plots. some companies make lots of money off people BUYing this stuff but i plan to make my own. the main tools they use are spring tooth harrows  discs harrows cultipackers and all kinds of drags to prep the remote spots of ground. http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too..._404009_404009 Originally Posted by OPUS FERROchevyrigthis is what I'm looking to build but i wanting to see what other people have come up with to achieve the same thing with out spending the money on a prebuilt one. Now I'm far from a food plot master I'm actually just learning but i have been farming for a good while so its not relly any thing different from a 80 field. just smaller and harder to get to.It's evident your request is common practice in yourterritory.For hunters 'West of the Rockies' could you give us a 'whiff' of what your requested pieces/parts perform,and what the 'perfect' intended/final product would be.And: please include some Rule & Reg. background . . .Opus
Reply:Here is what I used to bust up the cement like clay in my gfs arena, there was lots of weeds growing and I had to bust through the lawn in the one corner were the fence was moved over. I tried the disk harrow and it didn't work at all. it wouldn't cut through the weeds, it was like it was too light, even with a few cinder blocks piled on it. The harrow with the tines wasn't enough, it wasn't wide enough so it was taking too long. It needed the weight of the spike harrow with the half inch plate to make it bite big time. I have an 850XP touring atv and at the time was running these massive moto attack mudders on it.The second pic is a little handle I made for it so it could be adjusted. Attached ImagesNothing Ever Got Done By Quitting, Never Give Up.
Reply:If you're farming, you're planting HUGE food plots every year. You only need to find their source of water. They may spend a lot of time in the corn, but they still need to drink. Set up your stand near their water source. Your fields are a much better and more secure food source for the deer than the food plot in the woods.Lincoln Precision Tig 185Lincoln Power Mig 256Hypertherm PM 45Everlast 140STSmith O/A
Reply:That's sharp looking thanks for shareing I actually have teeth like those I could build one of them Originally Posted by Doug247Here is what I used to bust up the cement like clay in my gfs arena, there was lots of weeds growing and I had to bust through the lawn in the one corner were the fence was moved over. I tried the disk harrow and it didn't work at all. it wouldn't cut through the weeds, it was like it was too light, even with a few cinder blocks piled on it. The harrow with the tines wasn't enough, it wasn't wide enough so it was taking too long. It needed the weight of the spike harrow with the half inch plate to make it bite big time. I have an 850XP touring atv and at the time was running these massive moto attack mudders on it.The second pic is a little handle I made for it so it could be adjusted.
Reply:Originally Posted by chevyrigyour just trying to bust my bubble aren't you lol. sadly his does not have a tail board so it won't be all nice and smooth to start, the tail board he had it bent all to hell from him backing it into a post and bending things up pretty bad thats actually how i aguired the favor i straightened it out and got it in working order but he trashed the door and didn't want me to put one back on.  i kninda figured it would be hard the next year but ill try and catch it after a rain when its still little soft.
Reply:lol I thank you for trying to save me time and money. We're Gona till it up and drag some chain link Denice behind it and just plant it. I still would like to make a disc just for fun Originally Posted by cd19potato pototto, you call it bubble bursting, I call it saving you wasted time, money and energy.Ps,  a burned out box spring or a wood pallet turned upside down with 2 concrete blocks on it for weight- towed with something- to smooth yards before seeding works good, would probably smooth behind a tiller.
Reply:Even with scalloped discs, the lightweight discs are not good for primary tillage.  If you look at some specs for actual tillage discs, like offset discs etc., take a good look at the down pressure per disc (measured in pounds), and you'll see why a little ATV disc would be pretty worthless for any real tillage.http://blog.agcocorp.com/2011/08/jus...-disc-harrows/  This one puts out between 300- 600lbs/disc.http://www.deere.com/en_US/docs/non_...sngl_pages.pdf  Same same here"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:I know they take a lot of lbs per disc. I'm not planing on makeing a huge 4 gang disc I was simply planing two sets of 3 disc each that means there will only be 3 each side. Now these will be used to just work it up a little befor planting. I plan to round up the area go in with tiller tear it up then Mabey hit it with the disc to refine the area. I know that atv disc is not the ideal tool but it's what I got to go with. And I'll mAke it work I'm Gona start building tonight and will post pics as I go. I'm still new to this whole small food plot deal but I'll Lear as I gotrailblazer 302 spoolmatic 25a with wc-24thermal arc 161s tig rigmillermatic 200dialarc 250 hf tig rig with spool gun and boxand wanting more......
Reply:Originally Posted by chevyrigI know they take a lot of lbs per disc. I'm not planing on makeing a huge 4 gang disc I was simply planing two sets of 3 disc each that means there will only be 3 each side. Now these will be used to just work it up a little befor planting. I plan to round up the area go in with tiller tear it up then Mabey hit it with the disc to refine the area. I know that atv disc is not the ideal tool but it's what I got to go with. And I'll mAke it work I'm Gona start building tonight and will post pics as I go. I'm still new to this whole small food plot deal but I'll Lear as I go
Reply:Know that I'm against this, deep in my heart, but................................to help a fellow traveler...................http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200311181_200311181?cm_mmc=Bing-{adtype}-_-Lawn + Garden-_-Tillers-_-256001Have fun, it ought to be a nice shop project"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
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Reply:http://kingkutter.com/store-product.aspx?id=3407"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:"sander discs"Ebay:  (search) atv disc harrow (search) disc harrow replacement bladesGeesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Too far away to come there, and build it too "Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/http://tool.wttool.com/search?w=acme...rod&asug=acme+"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Now ya got me wanting to build one of the stupid things for myself"Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:Thank you farmer Sam I'm kinda on the fence about it too. My whole farming career we have always went biger and badder but now I'm going reverse smaller and badder. That link is what I'm talking about to a T. I'm planning a little smaller but it just means more passes but I'm fine with it. I'm still at work welding up sub frame for a bucket truck. But I'll jump on this tonight with a rough drafttrailblazer 302 spoolmatic 25a with wc-24thermal arc 161s tig rigmillermatic 200dialarc 250 hf tig rig with spool gun and boxand wanting more......
Reply:Any disc heavy enough to cut ground is going to be too much for an ATV. I've got a 6.5" 3pt disc harrow and its worthless behind my utility tractor unless I pile weight on.a tiller is the way to go. I've put in a few food plots under 1/2 acre and I always use my Kubota (Grand L series) with 6' pto gear drive tiller on virgin ground. I've pulled a spike harrow section and seeder behind the atvOld enough to know better, young enough to try it anyway.
Reply:If you farm you probably know what a perfecta II is, if not google it.  Not a primary tillage machine but a baby version with s tines and proper shovels would probably do more good per pound than the little disc.  As long as your no trying to cut up sod I'd go that way, if you have to cut up sod that is going to take real deal machinery.
Reply:If you look at the pics on that KingKutter page you can tell its only getting 2" or less penetration in some pretty friendly looking soil. I'm underwhelmed but feel free to fab something up and prove me wrong.Old enough to know better, young enough to try it anyway.
Reply:We'll got started on it to night this is the start it will make more since when I get the discs under it. The bars are the angle that the gangs will be. This will be a flip over to trans port one. I'm going to add a weight rack on the back to put suit case waits on as we'll. Attached Imagestrailblazer 302 spoolmatic 25a with wc-24thermal arc 161s tig rigmillermatic 200dialarc 250 hf tig rig with spool gun and boxand wanting more......
Reply:In VT baiting is illegal. Baiting is defined as moving food, salt or other attractants to attract deer. A food plot is perfectly legal. I tried a number of homemade contraptions including a three point rototiller on a little Compact Utility Tractor, which worked the best, but was very slow. The boys were bragging about their tractors, and how many bottoms they could pull. We had a half day plow party, while dad ran around with the backhoe picking out pumpkins up to three feet. That worked!
Reply:not to bad of a welder this is useing my ol millermatic200this is what I'm going aftertrailblazer 302 spoolmatic 25a with wc-24thermal arc 161s tig rigmillermatic 200dialarc 250 hf tig rig with spool gun and boxand wanting more......
Reply:Originally Posted by Willie BIn VT baiting is illegal. Baiting is defined as moving food, salt or other attractants to attract deer. A food plot is perfectly legal. I tried a number of homemade contraptions including a three point rototiller on a little Compact Utility Tractor, which worked the best, but was very slow. The boys were bragging about their tractors, and how many bottoms they could pull. We had a half day plow party, while dad ran around with the backhoe picking out pumpkins up to three feet. That worked!
Reply:Building the disc gangs to night this little thing is going well. Now were the hell did I lay my tape mesuretrailblazer 302 spoolmatic 25a with wc-24thermal arc 161s tig rigmillermatic 200dialarc 250 hf tig rig with spool gun and boxand wanting more......
Reply:here is ware I'm at for tonight got them all welded up and ready to work on the wheels and hitch. I left room to add another disc if I deside to add another later on.trailblazer 302 spoolmatic 25a with wc-24thermal arc 161s tig rigmillermatic 200dialarc 250 hf tig rig with spool gun and boxand wanting more......
Reply:I like it. Keep the pics coming.what are you pulling it with?There are no problems. There are only solutions. It's your duty to determine the right one.Hobart Handler 210Airco 225 Amp MSM Stinger
Reply:Originally Posted by ThorsHammerI like it. Keep the pics coming.what are you pulling it with?
Reply:http://www.sidebysidestuff.com/bad-d...-max-plow.htmlSorry I was so late getting this in, but I had to get the info from a friend.  I had to build him a bracket for his 4 wheeler to keep from tearing up his rear end.It looks like you haveyourswell underway.  I will read the whole thread later.
Reply:Are the bearing holders welded to the frame? Do the bearings swivel enough to remove the gangs? Am I missing something that would allow you to add a disk or do you cut out the gang and make a new one if you wanted to add a disk like you mentioned?Lincoln Precision Tig 185Lincoln Power Mig 256Hypertherm PM 45Everlast 140STSmith O/A
Reply:The bearings are bolted down and to add one I just have to weld the other one in the spaceing between last disc on the out side and the bearing. The shaft is just a pice off 1 in square tubeing with 3/4 bolts welded on each end.  It actually works welltrailblazer 302 spoolmatic 25a with wc-24thermal arc 161s tig rigmillermatic 200dialarc 250 hf tig rig with spool gun and boxand wanting more......
Reply:Originally Posted by chevyrigThe bearings are bolted down and to add one I just have to weld the other one in the spaceing between last disc on the out side and the bearing. The shaft is just a pice off 1 in square tubeing with 3/4 bolts welded on each end.  It actually works well
Reply:You probably think I'm a moron, but how does that type of bearing deal with side thrust?I bought a nice Miller offset disc about 4 years ago with the new style roller bearings (I think they're roller bearings), and haven't had to service them yet, so I haven't actually looked at how they work.Prior to this, I've only owned an old IHC 1950's vintage finishing disc.  It has this type of cast bearing .  I was lucky to find this pic, they're pretty much out of use these days  You can see how they deal with side thrust."Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:You know I just now thought about that. I'm not daly sure the box said harrow disc bearing and house ing. I'll go out later and look at the big one and see how they did there's I shoud be ready today to drag it out for a testtrailblazer 302 spoolmatic 25a with wc-24thermal arc 161s tig rigmillermatic 200dialarc 250 hf tig rig with spool gun and boxand wanting more......
Reply:Originally Posted by farmersammYou probably think I'm a moron, but how does that type of bearing deal with side thrust?I bought a nice Miller offset disc about 4 years ago with the new style roller bearings (I think they're roller bearings), and haven't had to service them yet, so I haven't actually looked at how they work.
Reply:this is how one of our sunflowers are set up with discs in front and shoves in back with the basket roller I think it's time to change out the shovelstrailblazer 302 spoolmatic 25a with wc-24thermal arc 161s tig rigmillermatic 200dialarc 250 hf tig rig with spool gun and boxand wanting more......
Reply:ok guys I got it out and did some trial and error with it it seams to like the waits on each side vrs the middle. I got to add brackets on the out side to hang suit case weights off. Once I get that done I'll work on a better hitch and the wheels. Didn't do to bad in the stalks out side the shop for being a atv pulled deal this is geting fun.trailblazer 302 spoolmatic 25a with wc-24thermal arc 161s tig rigmillermatic 200dialarc 250 hf tig rig with spool gun and boxand wanting more......
Reply:here is after a few passes this is 3 in some wet soiltrailblazer 302 spoolmatic 25a with wc-24thermal arc 161s tig rigmillermatic 200dialarc 250 hf tig rig with spool gun and boxand wanting more......
Reply:Nice looking picture of how it worked. I wondered about welding the blades on but looks like it worked ok. Nice build and enjoy using it.