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Hi Guys,I'm well into a case so please give tolerance. So my question is do the professional welders that have earned there skill through years of experience, testing, schooling, ojt, etc...have a problem, get irritated with all these fools posting, asking questions , thinking they will be professional welders tomorrow? If I buy an airplane today and ask some questions on the internet tomorrow. I will be a skilled piolet on Tuesday. Who wants to fly with me?Miller TrailBlazer 251Miller HF-250-1Miller MaxStar 150 STLHyperTherm PowerMax 380 plasmaLincoln PowerMig 180Millermatic 252Miller Diversion 180
Reply:So we "the fools" should tolerate your rude comments because of you can't handle your alcohol, but you don't have to tolerate our being "fools" because you are a so called "professional". Apparently all we have to be to be professionals is to drink too much and make rude posts wish I would have know that before I spent money on a welder. This section is "General Welding Questions" if you don't want to help the "fools" with their general welding questions then go to the "professional welding questions" section where you won't have to suffer the questions of those you feel are beneath you.....I would like to thank the real "professionals" that help us "fools" on a daily basis. You are appreciated!It has been my experience that the people that have to brag about how "professional" they are usually turn out to be the LEAST professional of all!!!!Last edited by Dcraft; 04-03-2016 at 02:55 AM.
Reply:Well said Dcraft..but if you would realize my post was not directed to you, an apprentice, but to the pros on this site. Maybe I can explain deeper...Buying a machine does not qualify you to operate it, let alone do work that maybe lives are depending on....HWY trailers...balconies...etc..People buy welding machines and assume with a few instructions from the net, they can fabricate all. Take time to look at some of the weld fail posts. Would you want to be following behind a trailer at 70 mph built by a guy that bought a machine and learned to weld on the net?Yes my post was Bit**y. But with merit.Miller TrailBlazer 251Miller HF-250-1Miller MaxStar 150 STLHyperTherm PowerMax 380 plasmaLincoln PowerMig 180Millermatic 252Miller Diversion 180
Reply:Also.. I can handle my alcohol and a few more. And I don't consider my post rude.....Did I hurt your feelings? Are you an internet welder? OOPs Sorry.Miller TrailBlazer 251Miller HF-250-1Miller MaxStar 150 STLHyperTherm PowerMax 380 plasmaLincoln PowerMig 180Millermatic 252Miller Diversion 180
Reply:Originally Posted by waginWell said Dcraft..but if you would realize my post was not directed to you, an apprentice, but to the pros on this site. Maybe I can explain deeper...Buying a machine does not qualify you to operate it, let alone do work that maybe lives are depending on....HWY trailers...balconies...etc..People buy welding machines and assume with a few instructions from the net, they can fabricate all. Take time to look at some of the weld fail posts. Would you want to be following behind a trailer at 70 mph built by a guy that bought a machine and learned to weld on the net?Yes my post was Bit**y. But with merit.
Reply:Welcome to today's instant gratification entitlement society. I see it just about everywhere. I've seen it in Scuba diving when I helped train students. They'd think simply going out and buying the most expensive internet suggested equipment would allow them to do dives others could after years of training and practice right away. If they couldn't by the end of a weekend, it was obviously YOUR fault for not spoon feeding them everything they needed to know.I see it again all the time on the blacksmithing site I frequent as well as with many home repair customers, who watch a 30 minute TV show and expect they can get those same results in the same amount of time.I can remember being taught to file and sand in metals shop. Eventually the idea was to buff something to a high polish finish. Those who skipped steps would have to go back and start over as it's almost impossible to get out file marks with 440 grit sand paper no matter how much you sand. Start with a course file, progress to a finer and finer file before moving to 40 then 80, 120, 180, 220 440 grit sand paper etc and a little bit of patience pays off. All of this done by hand until we got to the stage where he'd let us use the buffer.Today people expect to grab the power tools with no experience and have that polished finish perfect in 5 minutes using only one or two tools..No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth! Ronald Reagan
Reply:"Today people expect to grab the power tools with no experience and have that polished finish perfect in 5 minutes using only one or two tools."You left out their most important tool the cell phone, will refrain from mentioning common sense. .......Magazines have issues, everything else has problems
Reply:DSW, that's a good point about scuba. I'd take that concept (ie it's not just the skilled trades) and pretty much apply that to everything that requires knowledge and lots of practice at the skills before there's much ability. You've got to admit thatyoutube videos make welding look like anybody could do it. There aren't any youtube videos for the work I do now (toxicology), but that doesn't stop wiki-experts from chiming in.The flip-side to the OP is, the only reason I started buying welding machines and trying to learn to weld is that even the $100/hr "pros" in my area sometimes do work that's not to spec. Other times, they do welds that are as bad or worse than the Trailer Fail pix you see here. When I pointed this out to one Marine-trained naval engineer (the kind that are actually on the boats) and certified welder, he blamed the machine when, in fact, it turned out he had the polarity set wrong on my Trailblazer. lolSo, there's clowns on both sides of the aisle.1969 Chris Craft Roamer 46 RefitMiller TB280 w/Spoolmatic 30a2016 AHP AlphaTIG 200XAncient Millermatic 35Zeny Cut50 plasma cutter
Reply:Originally Posted by wagin. So my question is do the professional welders that have earned there skill through years of experience, testing, schooling, ojt, etc...have a problem, get irritated with all these fools posting, asking questions , thinking they will be professional welders tomorrow?
Reply:Originally Posted by waginHi Guys,I'm well into a case so please give tolerance. So my question is do the professional welders that have earned there skill through years of experience, testing, schooling, ojt, etc...have a problem, get irritated with all these fools posting, asking questions , thinking they will be professional welders tomorrow? If I buy an airplane today and ask some questions on the internet tomorrow. I will be a skilled piolet on Tuesday. Who wants to fly with me?
Reply:I'll fly with you, I just took a 20 min online course on how to make parachutes, what can go wrong?? http://www.philswelding.com
Reply:HELL YEA I GET IRRITATED!!!!! Can y'all just let me finish welding this anti-gravity spaceship with indestructible, yet alone unweldable, unknown-to-man metal made from dark-matter?!?! Should I use 1/16" or 1/8" filler? Which tungsten is best for this? 1st on WeldingWeb to have a scrolling sig! HTP Invertig 400HTP Invertig 221HTP ProPulse 300HTP ProPulse 200 x2HTP ProPulse 220MTSHTP Inverarc 200TLP HTP Microcut 875SC
Reply:Early morning popcorn, with butter and Old Bay please!"Where's Stick man????????" - 7A749"SHHHHHH!! I sent him over to snag that MIC-4 while tbone wasn't looking!" - duaneb55"I have bought a few of Tbone's things unlike Stick-Man who helps himself" - TozziWelding"Stick-man"
Reply:Originally Posted by OscarHELL YEA I GET IRRITATED!!!!! Can y'all just let me finish welding this anti-gravity spaceship with indestructible, yet alone unweldable, unknown-to-man metal made from dark-matter?!?! Should I use 1/16" or 1/8" filler? Which tungsten is best for this?
Reply:count me in. i just took an online course on how to make friends and influence people. i believe there are a couple of seats open.i.u.o.e. # 15queens, ny and sunny fla
Reply:Flying an airplane is not that hard. Neither is welding. But everyone likes to feel special. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkMiller 211Hypertherm PM 451961 Lincoln Idealarc 250HTP 221 True Wisdom only comes from Pain.
Reply:So howd that work out for ya wagles?esab 260 multimasternew tech 150 invertorlincoln 140 cheapo
Reply:Originally Posted by John TFlying an airplane is not that hard. Neither is welding. But everyone likes to feel special. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply:Originally Posted by jr tigSo howd that work out for ya wagles?
Reply:Originally Posted by docwelderjohn; if you can weld while flying a plane you may indeed be special
Reply:Originally Posted by MetalMan23I'll fly with you, I just took a 20 min online course on how to make parachutes, what can go wrong??
Reply:I'm not at all against anyone "buying a welder and building a trailer tomorrow",or would be the least b it worried about it on the highway. The percentage of failures is what? I don't know that answer,but if there we many we'd sure be hearing about it on the news!
Reply:"Wagin," are you talkin' about me? I've been asking about the particulars of horse-trailer work. And asking opinions of some new gear. If it settles your mind, I have been welding on big equipment trailers and hitches for same, for decades, and none of those welds has ever failed. I was lucky to go through a welding school whose lead instructor was a retired Boeing metallurgical engineer, Jack Uchida. A couple of other retired Boeing engineers were in my class, learning to weld or improving their skills. One had been in charge of the 747 program. The other had been one of Boeing's top experts on titanium. Both men had to sit through the basic metallurgy section that Jack was giving all of the students. And they came out of it saying that the basic metallurgy courses that they had taken as mechanical engineering students were less well presented than what Jack was giving all of us would-be blue-collar welders! So, I think maybe I have a good enough background that you needn't worry about any of my work failing on the highway in front of you . . .Just curious, but how do you know enough about any poster's background or ability that you can be judgemental? It's not like we submit a resume'.
Reply:Originally Posted by John Twell... mama always said I was "special"
Reply:Originally Posted by waginHi Guys,I'm well into a case so please give tolerance. So my question is do the professional welders that have earned there skill through years of experience, testing, schooling, ojt, etc...have a problem, get irritated with all these fools posting, asking questions , thinking they will be professional welders tomorrow? If I buy an airplane today and ask some questions on the internet tomorrow. I will be a skilled piolet on Tuesday. Who wants to fly with me?Originally Posted by DSWWelcome to today's instant gratification entitlement society. I see it just about everywhere. I've seen it in Scuba diving when I helped train students. They'd think simply going out and buying the most expensive internet suggested equipment would allow them to do dives others could after years of training and practice right away. If they couldn't by the end of a weekend, it was obviously YOUR fault for not spoon feeding them everything they needed to know.I see it again all the time on the blacksmithing site I frequent as well as with many home repair customers, who watch a 30 minute TV show and expect they can get those same results in the same amount of time.I can remember being taught to file and sand in metals shop. Eventually the idea was to buff something to a high polish finish. Those who skipped steps would have to go back and start over as it's almost impossible to get out file marks with 440 grit sand paper no matter how much you sand. Start with a course file, progress to a finer and finer file before moving to 40 then 80, 120, 180, 220 440 grit sand paper etc and a little bit of patience pays off. All of this done by hand until we got to the stage where he'd let us use the buffer.Today people expect to grab the power tools with no experience and have that polished finish perfect in 5 minutes using only one or two tools.
Reply:I'm all for teaching noobs, but get a little irritated when they start asking about things they could learn about by using the search function on this site. I guess it's just too much effort. MikeOl' Stonebreaker "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:Originally Posted by mla2ofusI'm all for teaching noobs, but get a little irritated when they start asking about things they could learn about by using the search function on this site. I guess it's just too much effort. Mike
Reply:My friend's oldest kid (12) is famous for saying, "Ahh that's easy I saw it on tv."So I was trying to teach him how to water ski. My youngest could do so pretty well and he was 8 at the time (with a LOT of previous practice and faceplants into the water). So it was a riot when us 4 adults were all saying "Well ok then, show us how it's done..." He learned a valuable lesson that day and I don't think we have ever heard him make a similar comment again.Personally , I have no problem answering the "stupid questions" because everyone was there at one time and like Oscar stated, they "don't know what they don't know" Hopefully no one takes my responses offensively, most of the time I am trying to answer with light sarcasm and laugh with you, not at you. But then again I usually only get a laugh from one of the people at my dinner table. My wife and the other three kids at me RyanMiller Multimatic 200 tig/spool gun/wireless remoteMillermatic 350P, Bernard/XR Python gunsMiller Dynasty 350, Coolmate 3.5 & wireless remoteCK WF1 TIG wire feederMiller Spectrum 375 XtremeOptrel e684Miller Digital EliteMiller Weld-Mask
Reply:There are apps for learning to fly now.This thread is about learning to fly, right?Hello, knock, knock.....knock, knock?Hmmm, shucks...back to welding dangerous chit......I was bored and hoping to discuss flying with dangerous welds....something like that, I guess.I only know how to fly submarines and they can't have no dangerous welds, but heard planes lots looser about the welding stuff...More exciting because of it?What time is it?Last edited by wornoutoldwelder; 04-04-2016 at 04:35 AM.
Reply:Sober up. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkMiller 211Hypertherm PM 451961 Lincoln Idealarc 250HTP 221 True Wisdom only comes from Pain.
Reply:The Aviation Industry has inexperienced people also. As does the Welding industry. But while people are asking questions and educating themselves, it can only be a good thing.MickLast edited by Bloodstorm; 04-04-2016 at 04:56 AM.
Reply:What a wonderful time we live in! At 62 years old, seldom does a day go by that I don't learn something from the Internet. The problem is I'm forgetting faster than I can learn! As far as the o.p., I can see where an expert would occasionally feel miffed at noob questions, when the noob could find the answer they seek, faster and easier with a search. On the other hand, many people could possibly benefit, from reading a noob post. I know I do. If you find it aggravitating to read certain post, don't read them. Life's short! Thanks.
Reply:I find myself much less worried about the newbies who post up pics of welds and ask about their weld quality, or how to build a trailer... They are at least looking for information and knowledge. The ones who buy a welder, start globbing stuff together, and start towing it down the highway the same day! They scare me!
Reply:How about the people that think the ship they see in video games and comic books is real?
Reply:Originally Posted by Oscar . . . On a forum where I am a Moderator, I've been there so long (14 yrs), that for a good while I forgot that the newbs don't know enough to know what they don't know, and that includes the scope of how deep the forum information goes . . .
Reply:Originally Posted by Forneycator On the other hand, many people could possibly benefit, from reading a noob post. I know I do. If you find it aggravitating to read certain post, don't read them. Life's short! Thanks.
Reply:After 8 years on this board, I've come to the point where something may move me to comment about it, but after thinking about it for a minute, I just hit delete There's plenty of times I read something I may have specific knowledge about, but the context and apparent motives of the person asking about it indicate that it's just something I don't feel like stepping in if you know what I mean..Of course, I just purchased a magic carpet recently and plan on flying to the moon with it soon. Pretty sure I can find some YouTube videos that explain the process and I'll be an expert in no time Last edited by 7A749; 04-05-2016 at 08:08 AM.Expert Garage Hack....https://www.facebook.com/steven.webber.948
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749Of course, I just purchased a magic carpet recently and plan on flying to the moon with it soon. Pretty sure I can find some YouTube videos that explain the process and I'll be an expert in no time
Reply:The only thing I do not like about trying to help a newbi here is when I share something that took me a long time to learn and they blow it off. It makes me not want to share again because it did not cost them anything so it does not mean anything to them. The other part to that is there are a lot of people here with a few years experience and they think they have learned it all and step in and tell you you are wrong. My experience has told me I am right. I do not press the point after that and generally leave them to their own devices. Once in a while someone will get my dander up and I will unload on them but I try not to do that very much.
Reply:Originally Posted by WorldPowerLabsWill it be able to pull my homemade trailer (made of used bed frames)?
Reply:I feel that as the least experienced and most ignorant person reading this forum, I can speak from experience about being ignorant. I have zero knowledge of welding. Zero. But I would like to learn. I don't have the time or money for a course, and don't plan on becoming certified. This forum seemed like a great place to get more information and knowledge than I would ever be able to use. I am curious though, even for the people that have been doing this for 40+ years, didn't they start out with no knowledge either? I agree with the previous posts that far too many people aren't willing to put in the time to become competent at things, and think that the interweb makes them an expert on anything. Hell, I was convinced that it would only take me 9 minutes 42 seconds to cut a hole and install a sliding door in the side of my house after watching This Old House do it. I can't speak for the other FNG's on this site, but I am extremely appreciative of all the wisdom, experience, and knowledge that the professionals and experts share here. I read a thread yesterday where DSW continually evaluated someone's work and provided great feedback. Just reading that helped me. I don't expect to become even decent at this without putting in the countless hours of work (why is that a bad word anymore?). I'll try not to ask stupid questions, or waste people's time, but please don't assume I'm one that's not willing to work. Feel free to assume that I don't have any idea what I'm doing, but I know that too. That search function has already made me lose more hours than I care to admit by reading threads and looking at posts.
Reply:Us old farts that started loooong before this digital age learned from the old timers and not so old timers by watching and asking questions out of ignorance and a willingness to learn. The sooner we became competent at the task at hand the sooner we moved up the ladder, plain and simple. I personally think a lot the young of today are convinced they can skip quite a few of those rungs and then when they up wind flat on their back on the floor it's someone else's fault. JMHO, MikeOl' Stonebreaker "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes"Hobart G-213 portableMiller 175 migMiller thunderbolt ac/dc stick Victor O/A setupMakita chop saw
Reply:Originally Posted by mla2ofus....learned from the old timers and not so old timers by watching and asking questions out of ignorance and a willingness to learn. The sooner we became competent at the task at hand the sooner we moved up the ladder, plain and simple. I personally think a lot the young of today are convinced they can skip quite a few of those rungs and then when they up wind flat on their back on the floor it's someone else's fault. JMHO, Mike
Reply:Therefore those of us who didn't experience several techniques of welding until later in life aren't welcome.An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
Reply:Originally Posted by waginWell said Dcraft..but if you would realize my post was not directed to you, an apprentice, but to the pros on this site. Maybe I can explain deeper...Buying a machine does not qualify you to operate it, let alone do work that maybe lives are depending on....HWY trailers...balconies...etc..People buy welding machines and assume with a few instructions from the net, they can fabricate all. Take time to look at some of the weld fail posts. Would you want to be following behind a trailer at 70 mph built by a guy that bought a machine and learned to weld on the net?Yes my post was Bit**y. But with merit.
Reply:Originally Posted by 7A749You'll have to go to Harbor Freight to buy an adapter, but yes, that's no problem
Reply:Originally Posted by DSWThat's because your magic carpet came with that genie in a bottle and the little hammer and sign that said "In case of Emergency, break glass"
Reply:Agree completely with Canoecruiser. Opening salvo like this can be a real "flash burn". ultimately it can give sites bad reputations as being less than noble or serving the purpose in being less than helpful,professional, accurate, educational all while still finding a way to have some fun!!!...true knowledge exchanges are meaningful when people are in a time of need or are generally looking to learn from the valuable and only accrued on the job experience that this site offers. Giving back is also a great thing. I see a great amount of that sort of stuff going on here from what I read...of course you have to be able look through the occasional flash burning that happens here and there occasionally. By the way I would fly with you if you promise never to weld on the aircraft or any aircraft for that matter unless you possess the proper certifications/licensed, endorsements and the work your doing has an FAA AD authorizing the repair or modification if its outside the scope of the FAA guidelines and all of which are up to date, FAA credentials, actual field experience (time at the helm) and that the airplane we fly has 2 sets of controls so if you scare me with you lack of ability in flying or you demonstrate any poor aeronautical decision making while we are flying I can eject you from the airplane fro your own safety and finish my flight!!!! Kidding of course...because if you were to be ejected you may actually damage the tail of the airplane as you were bouncing out the door or through the canopy and that would be bad for me!! I will give you that you did make us think here. Which is not all that bad. If you look at every NTSB FAA accident follow up report you will find that 85% of the time aircraft accidents are caused by "poor aeronautical decision making" ..here is a link to an interesting faa welding document.https://www.faa.gov/regulations_poli...a/ama_Ch05.pdfMillerMatic 200Miller 30A Pro Spool Gun wc-24Miller "Plazcut"
Reply:Originally Posted by Willie BTherefore those of us who didn't experience several techniques of welding until later in life aren't welcome. |
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