|
|
So I built my metal arc welding setup, put a ventilator there to blow away the fumes and put on a certified helmet. I welded a bit then at the evening, my eyes hurt. I stopped welding till my eyes stopped hurting, then evaluated my setup.I wondered, why were my eyes hurting?I used a certifed 3M helmet(Speedglass 100) with the right settings, it darkened on ignition and throughout, the fumes were blown away, why were my eyes hurting for days?Every time I read all the safety measures, followed them but my eyes hurt again.Then I stopped. I don't want to go blind because ruthless authors of welding books, (yes authors of Welding For Dummies, The Art of Welding, Welding Complete, 2nd Edition and The Haynes Welding Manual I am talking about you) don't detail this issue.I see two options: trying out reasonable measure or stopping altogether, giving up welding.I thought that I should try out reasonable measures but are there ways to do that without endangering myself? Like putting a light diode into the helmet and a fume detector and having reliable values for what is too much radiation or fume density to only actually weld when I know for sure that my work place is safe?The other point is, how do I simulate this without actually being there?
Reply:I have been welding since the 1964.I follow the safety data.I do all my welding outside use a leather coat, hood with correct lend.I work in large steel products I have never had ocataracts, can still count to twenty and never had skin cancer. You need weld fresh air and stand up wind from welding. Dave
Originally Posted by GrosserAugustus
So I built my metal arc welding setup, put a ventilator there to blow away the fumes and put on a certified helmet. I welded a bit then at the evening, my eyes hurt. I stopped welding till my eyes stopped hurting, then evaluated my setup.I wondered, why were my eyes hurting?I used a certifed 3M helmet(Speedglass 100) with the right settings, it darkened on ignition and throughout, the fumes were blown away, why were my eyes hurting for days?Every time I read all the safety measures, followed them but my eyes hurt again.Then I stopped. I don't want to go blind because ruthless authors of welding books, (yes authors of Welding For Dummies, The Art of Welding, Welding Complete, 2nd Edition and The Haynes Welding Manual I am talking about you) don't detail this issue.I see two options: trying out reasonable measure or stopping altogether, giving up welding.I thought that I should try out reasonable measures but are there ways to do that without endangering myself? Like putting a light diode into the helmet and a fume detector and having reliable values for what is too much radiation or fume density to only actually weld when I know for sure that my work place is safe?The other point is, how do I simulate this without actually being there?
Reply:That's not adressing any of the issues.
Reply:You press the dislike button. It simple follow the safety data. Dave
Originally Posted by GrosserAugustus
That's not adressing any of the issues.
Reply:
Originally Posted by smithdoor
You press the dislike button. It simple follow the safety data. Dave
Reply:
Originally Posted by GrosserAugustus
stopping altogether, giving up welding.
Reply:
Originally Posted by psacustomcreations
Do this. Stop now.
Reply:This.
Sent from my SM-G996U using TapatalkMillermatic 252 MIGMiller Dynasty 200DX TIGMiller Spectrum 625 PlasmaAltas 12x36 Metal LatheBridgeport Milling Machinewww.psacustomcreations.com
Reply:You read There are very test other that see read the data. Safety is following the safety data. A dislike because do not like my answer is bad.I my took time to answer youEI agree he is a TROLL just using the DISLIKES BUTTON .
Originally Posted by GrosserAugustus
Yes, your reply was bad. Which safety data are you referring to? I am referring to the books mentioned.
Reply:
Originally Posted by psacustomcreations
This.
Reply:You read There are very test other that see read the data. Safety is following the safety data.
Reply:Well, I guess I will post a couple of comments. I have been welding professionally for 21 years. Granted, I run a general repair shop, which includes a lathe, mill, and other metalworking machinery. I don't weld all day every day. Some days I don't weld at all. I consider welding to be quite "safe". If your eyes are hurting, there must be a cause. My eyes almost never hurt from welding. Some eyes are more sensitive than others. I think lighter color eyes are perhaps the most likely to be sensitive. I don't know if the helmet you are using is adjustable on the shade or not. You could try setting it a little darker if you can. You could also try a passive helmet. One with a fixed lens. Another thing to try is to wear a good pair of uv blocking safety glasses under the helmet. There is also the possibility that your eyes are extra sensitive to the welding fumes. Maybe try some eye drops while welding. I am not a doctor, but I would find it unlikely that with proper eyewear that you could damage your eyes very quickly while welding in a home shop.
Reply:Assuming you suffered from ultraviolet eye burn. Did you have on light coloured clothing and is whatever was behind you, above you, or under you light coloured? UV will reflect off of reflective surfaces including but not limited to light coloured shirts. Verify that nothing is reflecting into your helmet from above, below or behind. Go into a dark area put a strong lamp in front of you and verify that you cannot see any light leakage into the helmet except though the properly functioning lens. That is check for cracks or an improperly installed lens.---Meltedmetal
Reply:For a little more peace of mind, just schedule an appointment with a good eye doctor. The day of the appointment, or the evening before, spend some time welding. Let the doctor then examine your eyes to see if he can see any reason for the discomfort. He should be able to tell if there is anything physically amiss with your very own set of eyes.
Reply:
Originally Posted by GrosserAugustus
What did you just say?A reply that has nothing to do with my question is no reply, it is a waste of my time. Don't pretend like you don't know that.Instead, read my question properly and actually reply.
Reply:Well if your eyes hurt stop and look at your setup are you using fixed or auto darkening, try another shade darker. Add more lighting to your welding area.Retired Old GuyHobart 210Lincoln AC/DC 225/125 Evolution 14 Saw
Reply:Sounds great, but still I need to test it. And if I am wrong, I am in the same boat again, till I go blind.No, I need to test the setup without being in it.Sounds impossible, but I am sure it isn't, as welding helmets and other equipment are also tested for functionality and nobody is sacrificing himself.The shade is the darkest at 9/11. I tried using a fixed glas, yet I never welded with it, as I couldn't see through it. I am using between 60 and 80 amps. I assume back reflection to cause this, as everything else was ruled out. In another forum someone mentioned the 1/r² relationship of light intensity, which makes backreflected light unlikely to do harm. Also, how do people who weld on ships with reflecting surfaces all around handle this? Granted, most welders wouldn't admit it to keep the strong facade, but I doubt they'd do it for long.PS: I've been to the doctor the first time I got this. She evaluated my eyes, did not find any injury and recommended avoiding uv exposure as a general approach. But alas, eye doctors deal with many issues and they are not especially knowledgeable in welding safety. But for that there are other sources.Last edited by GrosserAugustus; 3 Weeks Ago at 02:46 PM.
Reply:Could excessive ventilation be drying your eyes, leading to some of the pain? If you do similar work involving concentrated watching an operation at a similar distance, perhaps wood carving, type-setting, knitting or model building, does it result in similar eye pain? Just from the muscular strain?You didn't give any details about the welding process itself, or the area where you are working; pictures of the latter might be helpful. For the first, are you stick-welding and if so, what electrodes, what thickness of work metal and what amperage(s)? If MIG or TIG, similar details might help. I won't again discuss good points re the optometrist, trying fixed lenses, reflective light, etc. except to add that one can drape a dark cotton cloth over the top and back of a hood (and perhaps around the bottom too) to stop reflections, if only as a test. That will also help with fumes, if carefully done. Overheating paint and plastic coatings is usually causes fumes far worse than those just from the electrode coatings or clean steel. Galvanizing is also a significant problem, as can other metallic (e.g. Cadmium) coatings be.
Reply:I want to draw the focus on experimenting without being in danger in the process. Like a crash test dummy. That is the title and that is also what this is about. Then we can talk about what could be improved.
Reply:The shade is the darkest at 9/11. I tried using a fixed glas, yet I never welded with it, as I couldn't see through it.
Reply:
Originally Posted by GrosserAugustus
I want to draw the focus on experimenting without being in danger in the process. Like a crash test dummy. That is the title and that is also what this is about. Then we can talk about what could be improved.
Reply:The advice about a back light is good. I would also suggest that you try welding while wearing a low profile respirator under your hood. If your issues are smoke related, they should subside while wearing the respirator. I frequently wear one that is rated for fumes from galvanized material.Germany is a great country. A friend of mine is a police officer in Berlin. He was just visiting his relatives here a couple of weeks ago, but I could not see him because my wife had covid. I hope that your tests are productive.ScottMiller Trailblazer Pro 350DMiller Suitcase MIGMiller Spectrum 2050Miller Syncrowave 250DXLincoln 210MP
Reply:
Originally Posted by GrosserAugustus
I want to draw the focus on experimenting without being in danger in the process. Like a crash test dummy. That is the title and that is also what this is about. Then we can talk about what could be improved.
Reply:
Originally Posted by GrosserAugustus
I want to draw the focus on experimenting without being in danger in the process. Like a crash test dummy. That is the title and that is also what this is about. Then we can talk about what could be improved.
Reply:long nightmare story short, i wont use auto darkening lenses/hood. i had a big problem, and it apeared to be working correctly. go buy three, two dollar shade 12, 11, 10 conventinal lens, stick them in a cheap conventional welding hood, put a few frops of eye moisture drops in your eyes, and weld. i use the 11 and 12, never 10.Have you tried passive lens? That would be the best starting point.
Reply:Go to the local tech center where they teach welding. Checkout the safety features they have built in to the work centers. Talk with the instructors about your questions. Better yet sign up for the classes, even old guys can learn something new. When I get this back straightened out my brother Richard and I are going to take some classes. Two old guys in their 70s taking classes with kidsRetired Old GuyHobart 210Lincoln AC/DC 225/125 Evolution 14 Saw
Reply:I agreeWeld is safe with education only by school or reading.He go nuts in a machine shop I want to draw the focus on experimenting without being in danger in the process. Like a crash test dummy. That is the title and that is also what this is about. Then we can talk about what could be improved.
Reply:It's awesome that you want to follow the safety rules and have a top notch system to protect you, you're having an issue as it relates to your system and something irritating your eyes, but you don't want to use the process of elimination to figure it out, BUT you expect one of us to magically tell you what the issue is, can't be done. The ball is in your court. It's been years since I did any professional welding but I assure you that if you're working in the industry and doing exterior work(construction/repair welding)you will NOT likely have anything but your hood & a breeze for ventilation if you're lucky, heck you might be 100 feet up on a plank welding scaffold supports with a safety belt clipped onto a beam, sometimes you gotta climb up & weld a d-ring to have an anchor for your safety belt. Suck it up & take a little time to figure it out cuz we sure as hell can't tell you, it could be dust or refracted/reflected light, there's just NO WAY TO TELL. When you figure out that you are the test engineer and the crash dummy you'll get it. You'll really dislike this post.Last edited by CAVEMANN; 3 Weeks Ago at 11:08 PM.NRA LIFE MEMBERUNITWELD 175 AMP 3 IN1 DCMIDSTATES 300 AMP AC MACHINELET'S GO BRANDON!"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. BENJAMIN FRANKLIN
Reply:I agree 👍 Dave
Originally Posted by CAVEMANN
It's awesome that you want to follow the safety rules and have a top notch system to protect you, you're having an issue as it relates to your system and something irritating your eyes, but you don't want to use the process of elimination to figure it out, BUT you expect one of us to magically tell you what the issue is, can't be done. The ball is in your court. It's been years since I did any professional welding but I assure you that if you're working in the industry and doing exterior work(construction/repair welding)you will NOT likely have anything but your hood & a breeze for ventilation if you're lucky, heck you might be 100 feet up on a plank welding scaffold supports with a safety belt clipped onto a beam, sometimes you gotta climb up & weld a d-ring to have an anchor for your safety belt. Suck it up & take a little time to figure it out cuz we sure as hell can't tell you, it could be dust or refracted/reflected light, there's just NO WAY TO TELL. When you figure out that you are the test engineer and the crash dummy you'll get it. You'll really dislike this post.
Reply:
Originally Posted by CAVEMANN
It's awesome that you want to follow the safety rules and have a top notch system to protect you, you're having an issue as it relates to your system and something irritating your eyes, but you don't want to use the process of elimination to figure it out, BUT you expect one of us to magically tell you what the issue is, can't be done. The ball is in your court. It's been years since I did any professional welding but I assure you that if you're working in the industry and doing exterior work(construction/repair welding)you will NOT likely have anything but your hood & a breeze for ventilation if you're lucky, heck you might be 100 feet up on a plank welding scaffold supports with a safety belt clipped onto a beam, sometimes you gotta climb up & weld a d-ring to have an anchor for your safety belt. Suck it up & take a little time to figure it out cuz we sure as hell can't tell you, it could be dust or refracted/reflected light, there's just NO WAY TO TELL. When you figure out that you are the test engineer and the crash dummy you'll get it. You'll really dislike this post.
Reply:I wonder if the OP has a Rolex, or collects them.:
Reply:
Originally Posted by Lis2323
I wonder if the OP has a Rolex, or collects them.
Reply:When I find myself tempted to do something without the right tool or not using conventional method I look through Sam's posts to see what happened when he tried it.
Reply:If it has not been mentioned yet then may I propose you wear a pair of nice premium clear safety glasses under the hood. It is well known that the extra set of safety glasses not only will protect your eyes from random fireworks popping into and under the hood and getting into your eyes but most importantly have the ability to reduce the UV light passing through the welding lens. Also turn up the shade until you are having issues with seeing the work being performed and then dial it down very minimal little by little until you can see where you are pointing your filler metal. Also last but not least "DON'T STARE DIRECTLY AT THE ARK" and don't forget to blink your eyes while you are welding.Lincoln, ESAB, Thermal Dynamics, Victor, Miller, Dewalt, Makita, Kalamzoo. Hand tools, power tools, welding and cutting tools.
Reply:He knows how use Dislike button. He gave me two so far.Dave
Originally Posted by Lis2323
I wonder if the OP has a Rolex, or collects them.
Reply:
Originally Posted by CAVEMANN
BUT you expect one of us to magically tell you what the issue is, can't be done.
Reply:I suggest trying a another welding hood. I haven't heard of any auto darkening lenses issues, but there is always a first. Are the batteries good ? OR have an experienced welder try your hood.Is there anything behind you that could reflect back to your lenses ? any metal that the light can bounce back and reflect to your eyes ? I had this happen welding in a room filled with shinny duct work before I realized the problem. I hung the hood from a sweat shirt behind on my head and helmet. That did work.Go see an ophthalmologist and see if you have eye issues. As N2 mentioned, try safety glasses to. IF there is something behind you that's causing a reflection, the safety glasses may help.
Reply:
Originally Posted by GrosserAugustus
No, I except one of you to suggest ideas on how to test safety without risking my health in the process.
Reply:
Originally Posted by psacustomcreations
This.
Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk
Reply:
Originally Posted by cwby
What Pat Said.
Reply:I agree 👍 Dave
Originally Posted by psacustomcreations
This.
Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk
Reply:I'm not much of a source for facts. Statistics are not my thing. I have only personal experience. Welding lenses are tested and approved by people who are informed. I'd say use a good quality helmet. Make sure it fits, as you can get reflected UV from your shirt IE. In 52 years welding I have no reason to believe I have damaged my eyes.Might your discomfort be eye strain trying to focus with too dark a lens?An optimist is usually wrong, and when the unexpected happens is unprepared. A pessimist is usually right, when wrong, is delighted, and well prepared.
Reply:
Originally Posted by GrosserAugustus
No, I except one of you to suggest ideas on how to test safety without risking my health in the process.
Reply:I didn't read everything but your hood should have the auto dark lense and also usually 2 clear lenses. No uv light should get through it. Are your eyes itchy and burning or just sore? I'm assuming you're just straining your eyes focusing and they are sore. If you think there's reflection causing uv light to get to your eyes from behind the hood try covering the top and back of the hood with leather or something to see if that fixes the issue.Airco Ac/Dc 300 HeliwelderMillerMatic 200 (stolen)Miller Maxstar 150STLMiller AEAD200LE (welding and generating power
) Hobart MIG
Reply:
Originally Posted by GrosserAugustus
No, I except one of you to suggest ideas on how to test safety without risking my health in the process.
Reply:
Originally Posted by GrosserAugustus
No, I except one of you to suggest ideas on how to test safety without risking my health in the process.
Reply:You bought a Speedglas hood. 3M is a BIG company that makes a lot of serious safety equipment. I'd bet on the hood being fine. Welding fumes don't cause eye strain. The eye strain could be caused by light reflecting off stuff behind you while you're welding. Turn it up to shade 12 or 13 (whatever max is on that hood). You want the lens as dark as you can get it while still being able to weld.If you still have trouble after that, try another hood. If it isn't the hood, I recommend seeing your eye doctor. See what they have to say about the matter.I'm not weighing in on how to test the hood without actually wearing it. I think you're spinning your wheels doing that. '
Reply:I don't know if the helmet you are using is adjustable on the shade or not. You could try setting it a little darker if you can.
Reply:I think it’s going to be difficult to make a reliable, relatively simple testof your helmet.Manufacturers of welding helmets must have some sort of instrument (spectroradiometer?) for testing safety of lenses and helmets. Probably not an inexpensive device.I suppose someone with a scientific mind might come up with a “ homebrew” method of using photographic film/filters or a UV curing product to test for UV light. Any testing method should probably involve actual welding,so you would be subjected to the arc while testing. I personally would try a #12 in a fixed type helmet, just to try toeliminate darkening time or shade value of your AD helmet as possible causes of the problem. I’d find it hard to believe this testing could harm your eyes,but I’m not an ophthalmologist.Miller a/c-d/c Thunderbolt XLMillermatic 180 Purox O/ASmith Littletorch O/AHobart Champion Elite |
|
发表于 2022-9-16 15:52:22