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This deal fell into my lap and could not pass it down, Thinking this was about the most ideal Machine for home and farm. The renowned AC-225 arc welder, but adds the smoother, the more stable DC welding arc. Feel like I did a good trade the leads look like they have never been used, everything about it looks new. It may be a couple days before we can get the power service installed but I’m looking forward to welding some pipe with it. What do y’all think,
Don’t understand why it was turned like it in a mirror this should work.Last edited by NotaVegetarian; 03-19-2022 at 11:42 PM.
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Reply:Looks like a nice find, it'll serve you well for the rest of your life.
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Reply:Lots of folks adore that machine. It definitely has a very good history/reputation. I owned one and it was OK, but I didn't care for the amperage steps. Its impossible to add or subtract 5 amps if you want it just a "smidge" hotter or colder. I prefer the old transformer style Miller Thunderbolts/Hobart Stickmates, which were roughly the same size, weight and specs, but had an infinitely adjustable amperage control. I am not sure why anyone would buy a Lincoln AC/DC 225 brand new, as they are WAY over priced. New, they are $799 at Home Depot, for instance and Baker's Gas lists them for $914. For that money I think it would be silly not to buy a Miller Thunderbolt 201 inverter for $895 or an ESAB Rogue 180i for $845.Miller Multimatic 255
Reply:I agree, they are not the deal they used to be. The adjustments are what they are but they seem to fall where they need to be. This machine is a deal for what he paid.www.urkafarms.com
Reply:I'm seeing Covid pricing for those up here (In Canada) as well. I used to see them regular for $700 and on sale around $650, but I've seen them up around the $1k Cdn. mark lately.The harder you fall, the higher you bounce...250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
Reply:Wow. Am I ever out of touch on pricing!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk:
Reply:Price lists are like digital cameras.... obsolete when you walk out the door...Rona is $735 for AC only... used to be a $300 welder.... $1189 Cdn. for the AC/DC... https://www.rona.ca/en/product/linco...E&gclsrc=aw.dsUnless you'd rather pay $2k.... https://www.tenaquip.com/product/lin...xoCvV8QAvD_BwEHere's a crack head special on Fleabay..... USED AC only, for $850 (more than $100 higher than Rona's new price)... https://www.ebay.ca/itm/255366354822...evt=1&mkcid=28Last edited by whtbaron; 03-20-2022 at 10:28 AM.The harder you fall, the higher you bounce...250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
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Originally Posted by Louie1961
Lots of folks adore that machine. It definitely has a very good history/reputation. I owned one and it was OK, but I didn't care for the amperage steps. Its impossible to add or subtract 5 amps if you want it just a "smidge" hotter or colder. I prefer the old transformer style Miller Thunderbolts/Hobart Stickmates, which were roughly the same size, weight and specs, but had an infinitely adjustable amperage control. I am not sure why anyone would buy a Lincoln AC/DC 225 brand new, as they are WAY over priced. New, they are $799 at Home Depot, for instance and Baker's Gas lists them for $914. For that money I think it would be silly not to buy a Miller Thunderbolt 201 inverter for $895 or an ESAB Rogue 180i for $845.
Reply:I used my Forney on the farm since I was 15. I wasnt proficient enough a welder to take advantage of infinitely adjustable amperage anyways so stepped settings were fine. Here it is 56 years later
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Reply:Better hang onto it, the way prices are going it might work into your retirement plan...after I found those threads above, I found an old AC only Tombstone for $730 Cdn plus shipping (which won't be cheap).Last edited by whtbaron; 03-20-2022 at 11:04 AM.The harder you fall, the higher you bounce...250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
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Originally Posted by NotaVegetarian
... Dont understand why it was turned like it in a mirror this should work.
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Originally Posted by NotaVegetarian
Don’t understand why it was turned like it in a mirror this should work.
Reply:The reason the little DC ius so highly adored is that its that good. I have never ran it and an Ideal back to back, should do it against my Synchro but have against the Maxstar and its every bit as good as the Max. Not only that, have ran a whole "real weldors " handful of 1/8 lohy on it in the summer, hour at a time,,, wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy beyond its duty rating, Had the case open once to check dust in 35+ years, 10 of them with real use. As for this one, set it on DC+, either bust the knob off or remove it so you not tempted to fool with it all the time. m3 rods with this, 1/8 6010 or 11, 3/32 7018 and 1/8 7018 and forget the rest of it. This machine, or one of its type is a great addition for a real shop. Most of the work can be done wire but this is great for equipment, run a special alloy rod, get some lead to reach out the door.Last edited by Sberry; 03-20-2022 at 12:25 PM.www.urkafarms.com
Reply:Chris said he could get us wire next week. Folks looking at the prices yall been posting I got a deal. Have $250 in this unit. Want to make it a bit more mobile, thinking about building a cart for it. At least be able to move it about. Chris said he could convert the 50 8 gauge drop cord so we can roll it into the driveway.
Reply:The 8 is a dandy supply for it, 2 sizes bigger than it needs at that distance, can melt it to a cinder before it warms the cord.www.urkafarms.com
Reply:Keep in mind those links I posted are in Canadian dollars and DC welders have been overpriced here for years, but that unit you got looks like new and that's a great price even in pre-pandemic terms. It doesn't have the heavy windings that the old tombstones had, but if you've got back issues the portability of that unit is much better. Turns into a bit of a tradeoff between smoothness of weld v.s. size/weight. If you don't like lifting it, add a handle and a couple wheels and you're good to go. Those ones only weigh around 128 lbs... not like the old 500 lb tombstones.Last edited by whtbaron; 03-20-2022 at 01:36 PM.The harder you fall, the higher you bounce...250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
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Originally Posted by Sberry
The 8 is a dandy supply for it, 2 sizes bigger than it needs at that distance, can melt it to a cinder before it warms the cord.
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Originally Posted by whtbaron
Keep in mind those links I posted are in Canadian dollars and DC welders have been overpriced here for years, but that unit you got looks like new and that's a great price even in pre-pandemic terms. It doesn't have the heavy windings that the old tombstones had, but if you've got back issues the portability of that unit is much better. Turns into a bit of a tradeoff between smoothness of weld v.s. size/weight. If you don't like lifting it, add a handle and a couple wheels and you're good to go. Those ones only weigh around 128 lbs... not like the old 500 lb tombstones.
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Originally Posted by NotaVegetarian
There is a crane in the back of my truck for loading game, thats how we got it out of the truck. If it only weighed 40lbs I can’t pick it up. Now have a hoist to put on my Mobil welding table. Plan on making a cart to put it on so I can move it about the shop or out to the trailer. Mobility is not my strong point anymore, my mind may think I’m 27, however my body knows I’m 72.
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Originally Posted by NotaVegetarian
Have $250 in this unit.
Reply:I agree, nice new looking machine, you done well. Despite being non infinite these are near the top of my short list. Very durable and reliable. I am sure its been done but I have never seen a broke one of this model.www.urkafarms.com
Reply:Fitted to a cart today, well its a start to a cart for it. Its easy for me to roll around, need to add some cable management. Bolted it down on the bottom pads. Yes it a recycled pressure washer cart. Raises it up just a bit makes the controls easier for me to reach, the large wheels make it easy to move.
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Reply:Really nice cart, perfect. Have got some 100 10s would it be ok to swap them over?
Reply:Have lots of 10 in the shop, some spare 8 however it’s only 15’ need 40’ for the run so 10 it is! Have everything we need I think (the dangerous words “I think”). They won’t let me climb up to pull the wire. I understand I have the the balance of an oval ballRetired Old GuyHobart 210Lincoln AC/DC 225/125 Tombstone Evolution 14 Saw
Originally Posted by NotaVegetarian
This deal fell into my lap and could not pass it down, Thinking this was about the most ideal Machine for home and farm. The renowned AC-225 arc welder, but adds the smoother, the more stable DC welding arc. Feel like I did a good trade the leads look like they have never been used, everything about it looks new. It may be a couple days before we can get the power service installed but I’m looking forward to welding some pipe with it. What do y’all think, Attachment 1737640Attachment 1737641 Don’t understand why it was turned like it in a mirror this should work.
Reply:Yes, that will be good, they would allow 2x or more at that distance with that machine. It has a number 12 cord. Its legal limit is 12 in pipe at 50A but 2, maybe 3 things about it, terminations are so much better on a heavier wire and the 12 while adequate to run the machine is really suffering some V drop, probably not so bad on the DC side really but the 10 erases much/most of it for all practical purpose and even tolerates running them past their duty cycle like we would never do.www.urkafarms.com
Reply:That would make a ****o circuit for the 210 also, tailor made. Thing is,,, the math is for rated output. You can use more power from the AC buzzer, 225 @ 20%, 48A. On the DC its only 36,,,,, big shave, big load off a rated wire. At 40 ft it would be half the allowable distance so even on the 12 would be 50% less V drop + the difference between 36 and 48 is significant so a 10 wire further reduces that drop which means you would have to run that machine till it was a glowing cinder before it overheated the wire. There seems to be a jump to a conclusion that because its on a 50A circuit thats the load, the actual use and voltage drop is rarely at max. We tend to use the charts for 100 ft for everything and many most circuits and ones that would see substantial load are closer than that and load is duty cycle limited or intermittent. This welder will add very little to the electric bill in this case. The number 8 wire is good for 5 hp comp.Last edited by Sberry; 03-23-2022 at 06:40 PM.www.urkafarms.com
Reply:You could look at the math like this. The 10 would power it at 100 ft at full throttle. You will be 40 ft at 3/4 throttle. Will run it well.www.urkafarms.com
Reply:Here its worth noting,, I use leads and the machine sits. I can move it but I have lead from other machines and part of a system but I chop the originals off to 15% of their original length and use lead substantially larger so being longer is not a real concern anymore. My plasma came 50 ft ground all assembled and I finally said duh, removed the clamp and 40 ft of wire and bolt it to the common and bam,,, way better machine.
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Originally Posted by Sberry
Here its worth noting,, I use leads and the machine sits. I can move it but I have lead from other machines and part of a system but I chop the originals off to 15% of their original length and use lead substantially larger so being longer is not a real concern anymore. My plasma came 50 ft ground all assembled and I finally said duh, removed the clamp and 40 ft of wire and bolt it to the common and bam,,, way better machine.
Reply:I meant the work ground. I have a ground cable I share with couple machines. Wow!!! You don't know any better! Don't do that!
Reply:Veg is using a cart, so leads are not the same situation gives a little opportunity to upsize them a little if a guy extends. I shorten the originals, little less loss in the secondary that way.www.urkafarms.com
Reply:Veg is using a cart, he needs a cord. Its really hard to beat the ready made for the cost. They are number 6, a size bigger than the machine needs but the price is right and the machine never know you added it. Again, free and or cheap make your own 10 is suffecient and adding 50 ft wouldnt phase (pun) it. With wire you already have dont be scared to add a convenience outlet. Under some methods can put 2 on a circuit, in some cases would be a better option than being a habitual plugger. I was in a body shop a while back, less than clueless and below average o0n the stupid chart. I had them get a 50 ft cord to reach back to unused circuit/outlet about 10 ft from the panel, only circuit wasnnt loaded in the place before they try to plug in a welder, duh but I clamp the cord to the building on the dumb end. Taped the other to the cord of the welder. Put it on the correct polarity. Point being cord is not always a bad way to do it. In an old shop I had 75 ft I kept on a 180, was my number 10 cord and just left it on, didnt hurt anything. Had 2 outlets for it and could reach it all. New shop use a 20 ft,,, on occasion. Move 1 machine between outlets from bench to hoist and could reach it if I wanted to leave cord on but changing it to the local recept not that big a chore.Last edited by Sberry; 03-24-2022 at 10:08 AM.www.urkafarms.com
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Originally Posted by Sberry
I meant the work ground. I have a ground cable I share with couple machines. ?
Reply:No, the panels have a heavy wire bonded to building steel and to rods which were the thing when i built it, also bonded to uffer. This is bonded to the building steel too, got a rod to the bench and cable to the booth, got extenjsion work lead for plasma and sticks and tig actually. Little of that has been cleaned up and moved during a minor remodel, some of this is old, when moving in etc.www.urkafarms.com
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Originally Posted by Sberry
No, the panels have a heavy wire bonded to building steel and to rods which were the thing when i built it, also bonded to uffer. This is bonded to the building steel too, got a rod to the bench and cable to the booth, got extenjsion work lead for plasma and sticks and tig actually. Little of that has been cleaned up and moved during a minor remodel, some of this is old, when moving in etc.
Reply:You have an excellent machine. I use one for just about everything I build, except where the engine drive is required for mobility,, or extra amps for 5/32 rod.I run it on 6ga wire. I guess you could go to a smaller gage, but it's not a good idea IMHO. Voltage drop is a killer for these small transformer machines. They'll give you everything they've got if you feed them well. Small gage will cause heating in the unit..........larger ga will eliminate most of the problem.Don't run the thing all day long......................You probably won't have to. Most welding, for folks fabricating stuff, is fairly short duration. You spend more time doing fitup, than you do welding it all together. When the stinger starts to get too hot, take a break.........do whatever it is you do to relax.The chest thumpers will tell ya that you need a higher duty cycle...............ignore it. I do a ton of work with one of these.
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Originally Posted by Willie B
Building power includes earth ground, the frame of your welder should be connected to it. A number of electrocution deaths can be attributed to inadvertent conduction through earth ground. The work lead of your welder is not, and should not be the same as power supply earth ground. In a perfect situation, earth ground won't conduct at all to welder work lead.When there is continuity between power supply equipment ground & work lead, it is unintentional. When it happens, it should be corrected.In an earlier post here, a fellow was welding on a hay wagon. Sitting on wet ground, his back on the steel wagon, he died when he shouldn't have. If continuity from earth to welder work lead hadn't unintentionally happened, he'd be alive.You are deliberately connecting earth to work lead. You shouldn't do that.
Reply:True Earth ground is for lightning only. It's no substitute for a circuit that properly opens a breaker.
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Originally Posted by Sberry
No, the panels have a heavy wire bonded to building steel and to rods which were the thing when i built it, also bonded to uffer. This is bonded to the building steel too, got a rod to the bench and cable to the booth, got extenjsion work lead for plasma and sticks and tig actually. Little of that has been cleaned up and moved during a minor remodel, some of this is old, when moving in etc.
Reply:Willie,,, you are mis understanding this and I am not deliberately using one in place of another. This is a steel building, its bonded to N,,, my welder work is also connected to the building like working on any steel structure. Cant weld on the building if its not hooked to it.www.urkafarms.com
Reply:The work benches are a slightly different matter. They are connected to the building and each other and to eliminate the potential of the 120V ground to be used to carry a welding current I supply both benches from the same circuit and,,,, dont panic here, take a deep breath,,, used an ig recept, no ground wire, fed gfci to the bench and the electrical grounding is thru the welder work bond. Its welded all together,,, just not from a wire along with the electric supply. Should it become energized from some other source, say a cord from another circuit its got a pathway. I looked at some of the benches in one of these stickys for benches and some of them not properly grounded and not gfci. Not gfci and using 2 wire tools. Wire pinched to the bench has no fault return path.www.urkafarms.com
Reply:Building power includes earth ground, the frame of your welder should be connected to it.A number of electrocution deaths can be attributed to inadvertent conduction through earth ground.The work lead of your welder is not, and should not be the same as power supply earth ground. In a perfect situation, earth ground won't conduct at all to welder work lead.When there is continuity between power supply equipment ground & work lead, it is unintentional. When it happens, it should be corrected.
Reply:If your box is bonded, it's because it's the absolutely the first box beyond the drop(rural connections), or at the drop. Nothing should be bonded to Earth other than service entrance.Whatever a welder is hooked to, beyond the service entrance, is a loop back to source through the welder.The building might be bonded to neutral at the service entrance, but the current goes back to source, not to Earth. Bonding is vastly misunderstood.All current has to flow back to the source. Neutral, in the case of 120v............the hot wires if it's 240v.Any welder will work perfectly fine if the building is not wired. A new structure, not hooked to the pole. The current path is through the welder. Think about it.........how does an engine drive work on a building/structure that's not hooked to the grid?Last edited by farmersammm; 03-24-2022 at 09:36 PM.
Reply:If you think about it..................................how could current flow through Earth, back to the transformer?? Earth has a ton of resistance. A ton. Not enough to throw a breaker in order to clear a fault.Current flows through the path of least resistance.............wires.And, if I remember.........lightning is DC, not AC.........Earth ground is for DC.Been a while since I had to deal with this, so I'd have to go back to the books.
Reply:If your box is bonded, it's because it's the absolutely the first box beyond the drop(rural connections), or at the drop. Nothing should be bonded to Earth other than service entrance.
Reply:I wouldnt mind having the hay wagon story explained further. Not sure I understand this?www.urkafarms.com
Reply: got a rod to the bench and cable to the booth
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This was not worded correctly by me,,, I meant steel rod welded (welding work lead) to the building and the bench,,, not earth ground rod. |
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