Overhead crane tax

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Someone at my work mentioned that the company pays tax on their inside overhead cranes. They have a pair of P&H 50 ton gantries with two trolleys each. I did a quick google search for "Oregon overhead crane tax" and came up with nothing. Is there any truth in this?Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
Reply:Beats me but with the way things are nowadaze it would not surprise me in the least....zap!

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Reply:I live just North or you, and have a bridge crane in my shop. Please don’t tell the state / county I have one!

I pay enough taxes!

Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!

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Reply:Wouldn't surprise if the state extorts a permit fee for the cranes in the form of an inspection like they do for elevators.Certainly is not the OR I grew up in.  

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Reply:Possibly a personal properity tax? We have that crap on Missouri. I get taxed on the value of each welding machine the company owns! Such Bull****. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk1980 Lincoln SA-250.1521976 Lincoln R3S-6001978 Hobart G-213Hobart Titan 8TA Hefty 2Thermal Arc 211iCutmaster 42
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Originally Posted by CEP

I live just North or you, and have a bridge crane in my shop. Please don’t tell the state / county I have one!

I pay enough taxes!


Reply:i believe they tax you on any factory equipment. that why old factories not running they demolish buildings to save paying tax on building and equipment. assessment tax on property. .my old company the had to get satellite photos to prove they demolished building years old, cause the city and county was trying to get school tax money. so basically government by taxes is encouraging the demolition of old factory buildings rather than find a use for them. i have literally seen 12 story research office building demolished cause they could find no buyer for the building and preferred to demolish the whole building rather than pay taxes on it. they could not even make a parking lot. parking lots are taxed. they had to make a broken brick and small stone gravel field. less tax on it
Reply:Compare that to Texas where the big companies are able to self- reassess their taxes and hit the local school district with a bill for several million dollars in refunds (after up to 2/3 of the district's revenue has been bled off to some one- school podunk district that wants an even bigger football stadium). You'd think someone would've been able to find middle ground somewhere, but we don't seem to be able to.Currently working as a Paralegal, but still interested in hobby welding.Miller Bobcat 225ntOne- Character Fractions: ¼ ½ ¾ ⅛ ⅜ ⅝ ⅞
Reply:Person and other property tax = the government owns your stuff...you're just renting.1969 Chris Craft Roamer 46 RefitMiller TB280 w/Spoolmatic 30a2016 AHP AlphaTIG 200XAncient Millermatic 35Zeny Cut50 plasma cutter
Reply:when they tax you where you basically pay for your house again every 20 years in taxes yes basically you are leasing the property. you are locked in to a semi permanent lease and only way to get out of it is to sell the house..in China for farmers you get permission and pay usually in crops for permission to farm land. probably they do this to make sure people have incentive to actually farm it rather than have land and do nothing with it..when you think about it USA not much different they tax land and property so you have incentive to use it. if not doing anything with it cheaper to get rid of it and somebody else will hopefully will do something with it.
Reply:http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/pages/...0/150_307.htmlas mentioned, probably Real Property tax.(A) Erected Upon. "Erected upon" means assembled, built or constructed and permanently situated on real property and adapted to use in place. For example, a large piece of machinery or equipment is set upon a foundation without being fastened thereto, but is integrated with the building by the use of special foundations, special wiring, electrical panels and switches, plumbing, venting, access ramps, openings and other forms of construction.(B) Affixed To. "Affixed to" means being annexed or attached to the real property by bolts, screws, nails or by being built into the structure. Also, items may be constructively affixed to the land or building and considered real property by virtue of their weight or size. Some examples include but are not limited to: pipeline milking equipment, milk bulk tanks, seed cleaning equipment, bowling alley lanes, pin setters, and scoring equipment, rock crushing plants, foundries, smelters, paper machines, newspaper presses, sawmills, plywood machinery and presses, aluminum reduction machinery and cannery equipment.(C) When machinery, equipment or fixtures are affixed to or erected upon real property and owned separately from real property, they are assessable as real property to the owner as provided in ORS 308.115(2).Ed Conleyhttp://www.screamingbroccoli.com/MM252MM211 (Sold)Passport Plus & Spool gunLincoln SP135 Plus- (Gone to a good home)Klutch 120v Plasma cutterSO 2020 benderBeer in the fridge
Reply:One of the taxes that is part of doing business. When I was with Firestone 35 years ago we had a printout of what the personal property of the business. It also showed what was depreciated over the life of the equipment and then a total and then the 1% or so tax on the depreciated value of the property. When the business opened everything was put on the depreciation list and used lifetimes of 3, 5 or 10 year life. If you bought equipment after opening it was on a separate schedule of depreciation. We were supposed to review the listing and delete broken/scrapped equipment to decrease the tax amount. Some of the items on the list had be thrown away the first year of business but were still on the tax rolls.  Even the water heater that was part of the building was on the listing, which I thought was crazy, also including the labor on installing it was on the list.
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Originally Posted by soutthpaw

I doubt it applies to hobby guys...




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Originally Posted by q240z

Person and other property tax = the government owns your stuff...you're just renting.
Reply:When I lived in CT that's the way it was. Everything related to the business is taxed including the inventory. If a landscaper took his personal mower into the shop to repair it and it was assessing day he had to prove it wasn't owned by the company, otherwise it is taxed. Farmers are taxed on those "hoop houses" (temporary metal frames with poly over) as portable structures. As mwshaw described there was some relief if a contractor owned older equipment- everything goes on a schedule and is depreciated down, most items older than 10 years didn't hurt the pocket too badly. When I looked to buy pieces such as trailers I would only consider older units in good condition b/c of the property tax issue in mind. As an example a small trailer might be taxed $200. in the first year, maybe $15. in the tenth year.Thunderbolt AC/DC330AB/P + Bernard coolerSyncrowave 250Oxy/Ace torchDayton 160 MIG6CF pot with 185 compressorToo much big equipmentEven more small tools
Reply:80 tons... Must be one of those carbon nano-tube models.

And now I see why businesses dont want to stay in Oregon. "..and considered real property by virtue of their weight or size" means you could be taxed on your can opener if the assessor had a bad day.Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
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Originally Posted by Brainfarth

80 tons... Must be one of those carbon nano-tube models.


Reply:Oh.. Well, that's a good deal then. I thought that you painted the letters on.Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom.
Reply:No a friend of mine was running the casting yard on Harbor Island in Seattle. He knew I was getting ready to build the crane so he didn’t send the spreader bar back to the yard. They would have cut it up, and sent it to the storage yard in Tacoma.Don’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!

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Originally Posted by mwshaw

One of the taxes that is part of doing business. When I was with Firestone 35 years ago we had a printout of what the personal property of the business. It also showed what was depreciated over the life of the equipment and then a total and then the 1% or so tax on the depreciated value of the property. When the business opened everything was put on the depreciation list and used lifetimes of 3, 5 or 10 year life. If you bought equipment after opening it was on a separate schedule of depreciation. We were supposed to review the listing and delete broken/scrapped equipment to decrease the tax amount. Some of the items on the list had be thrown away the first year of business but were still on the tax rolls.  Even the water heater that was part of the building was on the listing, which I thought was crazy, also including the labor on installing it was on the list.
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Originally Posted by q240z

That all looks to me like good reasons to not let the government get so big and involved in every aspect of our lives. Why don't voters revolt?
Reply:Well, that's the funding part...I'd be more interested in small government that doesn't involve itself in every aspect of our lives. It's a lot cheaper to fund small gov't than big gov't.I know...it's crazy talk.1969 Chris Craft Roamer 46 RefitMiller TB280 w/Spoolmatic 30a2016 AHP AlphaTIG 200XAncient Millermatic 35Zeny Cut50 plasma cutter
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Originally Posted by q240z

That all looks to me like good reasons to not let the government get so big and involved in every aspect of our lives. Why don't voters revolt?
Reply:Call it an overhead lift... Using the word crane will probably result in union fees as well. lolI went to a boat race here a few years ago and they had a big crane lifting the boats into the water. We were 15 minutes away from the start and they were dropping the boats in left and right then all of a sudden it was his breaktime and his union demanded that he had to have his break. So he did and all 5000 of us waited until it was over to drop the last 5 boats.Millermatic 180Hypertherm PM65 083300CandCNC Dragon Cut Linux 620-4 Bundle with Linux Computer Precision Plasma Magnum HD 5x5 Gantry kit
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Originally Posted by mwshaw

One of the taxes that is part of doing business. When I was with Firestone 35 years ago we had a printout of what the personal property of the business. It also showed what was depreciated over the life of the equipment and then a total and then the 1% or so tax on the depreciated value of the property. When the business opened everything was put on the depreciation list and used lifetimes of 3, 5 or 10 year life. If you bought equipment after opening it was on a separate schedule of depreciation. We were supposed to review the listing and delete broken/scrapped equipment to decrease the tax amount. Some of the items on the list had be thrown away the first year of business but were still on the tax rolls.  Even the water heater that was part of the building was on the listing, which I thought was crazy, also including the labor on installing it was on the list.You find all states will tax any equipment in some way. In California it is better to use and fix the equipment but other states are different. OK let send to China taxes and labor is cheaper 🙄.  China does not have EPA too we just let the pollution blow to the USA for China.  Dave Makes good sense by %$#@

Originally Posted by Brainfarth

Someone at my work mentioned that the company pays tax on their inside overhead cranes. They have a pair of P&H 50 ton gantries with two trolleys each. I did a quick google search for "Oregon overhead crane tax" and came up with nothing. Is there any truth in this?