Lincoln 5p versus 5p+ which do you recommend?

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I’m running short on 1/8” 6010 and before I buy more I’d like to know more about the differences between the two.Is there any reason why I shouldn’t just go with 5p+?Thx.ScottMiller Trailblazer Pro 350DMiller Suitcase MIGMiller Spectrum 2050Miller Syncrowave 250DXLincoln 210MP
Reply:I don't think there's any reason not to.  The 1/8" 5P+ is rated to work with 10 less amps on the low-end compared to 5P.Lincoln SMAW Stick Poster

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Reply:I stocked up on the 5P+ back when Oscar had the Home Depot deal going...not sure I even have any 5P anymore. I like the 5P+ just fine. Not sure I even noticed a difference, but it's been a while since I ran any (is 5P the old red stuff? Or was the red stuff 6011?)
Reply:5P is the old red rod.
Reply:No reason not to use the 5p+, back when I used to run miles of 36" and 48" fire water supply lines in coal mines we would always run the root with a 5P+ and fill and cap with 5P because the 5P root runs would sometimes crack on thicker pipes where as 5P+ roots wouldn't.Fun fact, even though they are both designated as a "6010" rod with the 60 meaning 60 MPA (42kPSI) tensile strength minimum, the 5p+ should really be designated (and often is) as a 7010 rod as the minimum tensile strength is more like 73MPa (50kPSI), or similar to a 7018 rod, just not hydrogen controlled, although Lincolns 5p+ often have better charpy V notch test results at -29C than alot of 7018 rods do even though they're not a hydrogen controlled rod.Last edited by ttoks; 07-13-2021 at 02:30 AM.
Reply:I think ya got yer MPAs and ksis mixed up there. Also not sure where you're getting those numbers...thishttps://www.lincolnelectric.com/asse...lus/c21013.pdfsays 5p+ gives 60-73 ksi tensile yield strength in "as-welded" deposit...That's interesting about it being more ductile than some 7018, if you have sources handy, I'd be interested to see that.
Reply:Thanks all for the feedback. 5p+ it is.Miller Trailblazer Pro 350DMiller Suitcase MIGMiller Spectrum 2050Miller Syncrowave 250DXLincoln 210MP
Reply:The last Lincoln 6010 I used was the fleetweld 5p+, had quite a few issues with the flux flaking off the electrode when about 1/2 the rod was burnt. After that I got some Esab sure weld 10p+, much nicer stuff
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Originally Posted by M J D

The last Lincoln 6010 I used was the fleetweld 5p+, had quite a few issues with the flux flaking off the electrode when about 1/2 the rod was burnt. After that I got some Esab sure weld 10p+, much nicer stuff
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Originally Posted by Kelvin

Sounds like it got dropped.Did UPS deliver it? Around here they're famous for throwing 50# cans of welding rod down the stairs 30 or 40 times, and then delivering it anyway.
Reply:5P+ is much nicer to weld with. It took awhile to get approved but has a smoother arc and doesn't dig quite as much as the 5P. If either 6010 gets too dry, it is OK to dip it in water and wring it out. It needs moisture in the flux. Even when I took a course on pressure welding, the instructor said it could dipped in water or run under the tap if it wasn't burning right. I got to practice with 5P+ but for the actual test had to use 5P because the 5P+ wasn't approved yet. I think they put more potassium in 5P+ but not positive. That it burns nicer I am sure of. If I recall CEP preferred the Esab 10P+ over Lincoln 5P+. I've never tried the Esab but if it's CEP approved is good enough for me! He tried just about everything as the worlds greatest hobbyist welder. He should have been hired to make an a list of welding products he liked. If it was CEP approved you could take that to the bank!
Reply:I like 5P+ better, not as aggressive due to iron powder in the flux. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkSteveMiller Dialarc 250 (1990)Miller Maxstar 140 STR (2003)Lincoln SA200 Redface Pipeliner (1966)Lincoln MP210 (2015)Victor and MECO torches
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Originally Posted by Welder Dave

5P+ is much nicer to weld with. It took awhile to get approved but has a smoother arc and doesn't dig quite as much as the 5P. I !
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Originally Posted by 123weld

i use mostly gray, but  if the gap/fitup gets too tight, i ll use red
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Originally Posted by N2 Welding

Are y’all talking about miss Spears again lol.
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Originally Posted by Sparkie1957

I like 5P+ better, not as aggressive due to iron powder in the flux. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk