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Im looking at these two copy and paste the links to see them. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00G2...rb_top?ie=UTF8https://www.cpooutlets.com/wilton-28...zmap=wltn28832I want the Wilton cause its made in the USA and I just like it. But I dont know if I can justify it . The yost is more in the price range . Any one own ?
Reply:Don't own either. I have a 1755 Wilton tradesman which is a nice vise. I really like that yost 8" you posted, not a bad price and a proven design.
Reply:I have 4 of the Wilton... ahh the joys of layoffs. I work them out but not like toe 3 of them at work. Amazing how much less abuse they get at home. The 3 at work don't count as mine yet.Sent from my SM-G960U using TapatalkI haven't built anything I can't throw away. Perfection is the journey. Mac
Reply:That Yost appears pretty wimpy. 8 jaws but only 50 odd pounds including the swivel base? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk:
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Originally Posted by Lis2323
That Yost appears pretty wimpy. 8” jaws but only 50 odd pounds including the swivel base? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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Originally Posted by Bigrich954rr
Yea its suppose to be 130,000 psi casting to make up for the lighter weight .
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Originally Posted by Lis2323
Interesting. Personally for day to day use I would much rather have a 4-5" jaw width with more weight. 8" to me would be a hindrance unless it was a duckbill type for sheet metal work. These are 160 pound 6 inch jaw vises made in USA.....
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Reply:I've owned a couple of Yost vises, and still have one of their 8" jaw combination models that was made before that line was moved overseas, and I like that they're a Michigan company, but there is no comparison between that vise and a Wilton 500S. I've had hundreds and hundreds of vises and think I have a pretty good handle on the topic. There are a couple of things on the Yost that would keep me from buying one. First off, this same shape/style/concept is one of those ideas that's better in theory than in practice. Bench vises don't need adjustable ways/gibs like a lathe or milling machine and if you're using one in such a way to cause wear and slop, you're doing something wrong. Lots of companies have sold a vise with this exact shape and it's simply a weak design. Tall, thin jaw supports with big arches fail and making a bigger opening for those long pipe jaws won't help matters. When you crank down tight on something the distance between the screw and the jaws is an arm that is trying to peel the jaw supports up and away from the rest of the vise. Yes, I've seen one split right down the middle of the body from someone being stupid. Next, the jaw support ledges are tiny, and the jaws themselves are made of sintered metal (compressed powder). Wilton uses sintered metal jaws on their Tradesman line and they always crack....usually right through the bolt holes. They're sharp, and grip well...right up until they fail. The small jaw support means there is very little to take up the load if you lean on something in the jaws or have to do a little hammer work on something (which you should limit anyway). The more jaw support the better! Next up, the ledge that supports the slide/dynamic jaw....note that it's a U-shape that doesn't touch the slide all the way across. That suggests it's something of a hollow design rather than a big chunk of casting supporting the slide. The more slide support the better....go look at pictures of an Athol or Athol/Starrett vise to see a massive jaw support. There's a reason I haven't seen an Athol broken in that area! Next up....the swivel base. I have seen a YouTube video showing one of these newer Yosts disassembled, and the part of the swivel base that gets pulled up by the locks to engage the outer ring of the swivel base is tiny...really tiny. I've said that Wilton's inner ring was a poor design and it's literally four or five times more metal than on this Yost. The Wilton inner ring can get off center if people really loosen the locks, move things around, and then tighten one side too far before tightening the other side....it's gets it on an angle and then it cracks when you crank down on the locks. I have a buddy who sells an improved inner ring made of machined steel to avoid this problem. I can't imagine how easily the Yost would fail, and the YouTube video actually shows a major alignment problem with a new vise out of the box...not a good start. Finally, it's made in China and even if a company tries to support a product made there, it will only be for so long.Compare all of that with the 500S which weighs right at 95lbs with a swivel base. Cast in Alabama, finish machined in Illinois, tool steel jaws, much more positive swivel base and one thing nobody else has right now....readily available replacement parts. Yost does have some parts support, but nothing remotely like Wilton.I've been in a lot of fabrication and welding shops over the years and most stick to vises the size of a Wilton 450....in the ballpark of 70lbs. They'll occasionally have something bigger like a 500S or C2, but it's not the norm and anything larger is very unusual. They'll often have a few vises in the 55-60lb range, but that's on the small side.The US Army actually uses Wilton C2s (5" jaws, with pipe jaws) on their mechanized unit maintenance trailers that repair M1 tanks.....if a vise the size of a 500S or C2 is big enough to fix tanks, it's more than almost anybody needs at home, or most commercial shops.If you haven't seen a 500S in person, you'll likely be surprised how big they actually are...pictures don't do them justice.Check out my bench vise website: http://mivise.comMiller Syncrowave 250DXMillermatic 350P with XR AlumaProMiller Regency 200 with 22A feeder and Spoolmatic 3Hobart Champion EliteEverlast PowerTig 210EXT
Reply:The Yost looks flimsy. Don't care what they say about the austempering and all that jive, honestly. Stronger than forged steel? I doubt it, honestly. Maybe if you're just looking at the numbers and talking about theoretical limits, but does that factor in the thin necks on those jaws? 8" jaws.... for what purpose? What are you holding that you need 8" of jaw surface? Or can't make it happen with only 6" jaws?The Wilton looks better, but that's kind of pricey and I don't know that I trust any modern vices to be as good as what was made back in the day. I'd certainly support American-made over chicom garbage, though, even if it is a big price difference like that. If we don't support them... they'll have no choice but to shift operations overseas.For that kind of money, I'd hunt ebay and such to find a vintage model. That way you know you're getting quality.A quick search shows this beauty of a Yost just up the road from you in Connecticut -- a quick trip for anyone on U Ship Dot Com looking for a little extra to help cover gas costs. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rar...oAAOSwk4JfnGAdAnd there's a doozy of a 6" ASC out in Arkansas for a respectable price. https://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Sc...sAAOSwR9JfMafALooking at the two, the modern-made vises looks a bit wimpy!
Reply:Perhaps consider the Yost 750 DI ductile iron model. I purchased this two years ago and thought it overkill but I love the variation of clamping. The base swivels nicely. The jaws lock straight and can be rapidly rotated. I’d give it 4.9/5.0. Only complaint is the paint chips easily.
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Fireball tools did a vice torture test. Worth a watch from comedic value. Last edited by Continuum; 02-27-2021 at 05:30 AM.
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Originally Posted by ronsii
Oooooooooooooooooooooo nice!!!!!
Are you putting those up for grabs???
Reply:I'm building me onea those Fireball vices!!
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Originally Posted by Lis2323
Who's askin?
Seriously though I have one left.
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Reply:I have an old 1750 and like it.
Reply:I have a Wilton 1760 that I inherited with my shop.It has served me well for over twenty years of hard service. I like that parts are still available for it , even thought I haven't had to replace any.I use this vise almost every day on all sorts of different tasks. Not sure what kind of work you plan on doing with this vise, but if your gonna spend a lot of coin on a big vise, I would definitely want the replaceable pipe jaws. I have to takce apart Hydraulic, pneumatic, vacuum, and water fitting (potable and sprinkler). The pipe jaws in the yost seem to stick out really far from the casting, not sure how that would hold up to a rusty old 1-1/2" black iron pipe fitting being torqued on by a 24" pipe wrench. I know the Wilton will do it all day long . If money is an issue, craiglist can offer some good deals now. About two years ago vises, and anvils were all getting really high prices. Now they seem to be more down to earth. a little research, and patience and some vigilance watching craigslist,or facebook marketplace, and you can find a good deal.Here's my Wilton 1760 :
Just a quick look on craigs list showed several Wiltons.https://cnj.craigslist.org/tls/d/edi...266475799.html
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Originally Posted by VaughnT
The Wilton looks better, but that's kind of pricey and I don't know that I trust any modern vices to be as good as what was made back in the day. I'd certainly support American-made over chicom garbage, though, even if it is a big price difference like that. If we don't support them... they'll have no choice but to shift operations overseas.For that kind of money, I'd hunt ebay and such to find a vintage model. That way you know you're getting quality.
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Originally Posted by Continuum
Fireball tools did a vice torture test. Worth a watch from comedic value.
Reply:Yea I live in Pendleton Oregon now . Wish I was still in no with all the sales going on now. I keep changing it on here and it keeps going back to CNJ Thank I will be watching that videoLis pm me with info on that vise you have
Reply:All this talk about vices and I was rooting in one of the job scrap piles this morning and found another!!!! weighs about 60 pounds I guess... maybe more... didn't see a name on it but is' pretty rusty and about 30 coats of paint on it in some places
Reply:Lis could turn that into a work of art. Its gotta be worth 500 Canadian!
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Originally Posted by arcflash
Lis could turn that into a work of art. Its gotta be worth 500 Canadian!
Reply:For what it is worth to the OP, I have an old 5 inch Yost swivel vise. This has been a great vise.I would look for a deal on a used vise like this if possible. If you can't find one used, I would get the Wilton of the two you posted. Used Wilton's are almost as much as new Wilton's in my area. Used from other brands are more reasonable.
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Originally Posted by psacustomcreations
For what it is worth to the OP, I have an old 5 inch Yost swivel vise. This has been a great vise.I would look for a deal on a used vise like this if possible. If you can't find one used, I would get the Wilton of the two you posted. Used Wilton's are almost as much as new Wilton's in my area. Used from other brands are more reasonable.
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Originally Posted by arcflash
Lis could turn that into a work of art. Its gotta be worth 500 Canadian!
Reply:The wheel on the vice goes round and round, round and round, round and round. (repeat) (repeat) (repeat)!
Originally Posted by arcflash
The wheel on the vice goes round and round, round and round, round and round. (repeat) (repeat) (repeat)!
Reply:Here is a comparison of a Wilton 1765 which is a 6-1/2" vise next to my Yost 5 inch. I have not figured out yet where I am going to put the Wilton so it sits in storage. I couldnt pass it up due to its price.
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Originally Posted by Lis2323
However THIS is what I am looking for:A Reed, Yost, or Colombian coachmakers vise to add a wheel to...
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Originally Posted by psacustomcreations
Here is a comparison of a Wilton 1765 which is a 6-1/2" vise next to my Yost 5 inch.
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Originally Posted by arcflash
The wheel on the vice goes round and round, round and round, round and round. (repeat) (repeat) (repeat)!
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Originally Posted by G-ManBart
I've had a number of those...without the wheel of course. That's a pretty cool idea. I've got a small pile of old spindles and might try making something like that so I could swap a handle for a wheel...can see that being handy.
Reply:Here's a lewis coach vice a guy has not too far from us. but he wants 300 for it
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https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/t...283737271.html
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Originally Posted by G-ManBart
The Tradesman line is sort of Wiltons response to all the other companies putting really wide jaws on smaller body vises...purely a marketing thing. I wrote an article about jaw size to body size because it no longer really means anything. Back in the day a quality 5" jaw vise was roughly the same size from every company...give or take. Now you've got 5" jaw vises that weigh 40lbs and others that are 100lbs. That just confuses people and makes it hard to compare...I go off weight primarily.Wilton's 1780 is their largest Tradesman with 8" wide jaws, but it weighs the same and opens an inch less than the 500S Machinist vise
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Originally Posted by ronsii
Here's a lewis coach vice a guy has not too far from us. but he wants 300 for it
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https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/t...283737271.html
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Originally Posted by Lis2323
You are so fortunate! I have never physically SEEN one before. Only photos.
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Originally Posted by psacustomcreations
Nice info. I use the heck out of my Yost because it is so beefy and a good quality. I have an older Rock Island in the other shed but it is bolted down.
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Originally Posted by ronsii
All this talk about vices and I was rooting in one of the job scrap piles this morning and found another!!!! weighs about 60 pounds I guess... maybe more... didn't see a name on it but is' pretty rusty and about 30 coats of paint on it in some places
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Originally Posted by Popeye an old miner
I have one like this on my rig, my wife found it at a yard sale a long time ago, it was on my first rig, I never found a brand name of any kind on it, it most likely made in china but it works fine for what I do. I take it apart once in a while and oil up the screw inside it so it works smooth
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Originally Posted by ronsii
Yeah, I'm guessing china too... when I get a chance I'll hit it with a wirewheel and see if anything pops out... probably rip it apart and paint too... just because I find things always work better when they gots fresh paint on them
not even sure where it came from but it's in one of the piles I unloaded after a demo job
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Originally Posted by 12V71
I'm betting it's got a thick coat of bondo under that paint. Had a couple of them just 'cause they're cheap and handy, when the guys started burnin' on them we found all the stuff the Chinese were hiding. Huge voids in the castings come to mind. If you get a good one, they are ok. If you get a bad one, you know right away. HF is very accommodating.
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Originally Posted by ronsii
I know you're right about the bondo
When I first saw the thick paint coming off it I just assumed a lot of paint.... but later that night I remembered some of the counterweights I have stripped for forklifts.... they all have had 'filler/smoother' on them that looked the same...
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