Safety Glasses AND pancake hood OR pancake hood?

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So here's a general question: I gather that safety glasses are intended to keep sparks and stuff out of the eyes.  The place I'm about to start working is, as they should be, very diligent about safety glasses.  No problem with that, like my eyes a lot, will do.  Got a scoop hood and a regular flip hood which I gather one wears safety glasses under for...well, safety.  OK good, cool with that.  I also have a pancake hood which I love.  NOTHING fits under that.  The box seals out everything.  So, does the box sealing out everything count AS the safety feature?  I gather that some have the sticker on them that says OSHA approved--mine doesn't say it on it but some do but it's the same thing.  Do I then just flip on the safety glasses when I don't have it on/down OR do I need to find some that are kinda goggle like instead of big winged that will fit under it?
Reply:Most of the plants that I work in require safety glasses on all the time, even under the hood. OSHA approved is not correct terminology, OSHA requires safety equipment to meet certain requirements set by others, I think your hood would need to be ANSI approved in order for OSHA to accept it. Here is a link for a pancake hood that meets these criteria. A pancake hood is almost exclusively used in pipeline work, I have only seen one or two in industrial setting over many years.https://www.originalpancakebrandweld...od-for-glassesMike
Reply:Tom Waters safety glasses will fit under a pancake. Real thin earpieces & small round lenses.Should be ANSI approved.http://www.plwelder.com/store.php/categories/tom-waters
Reply:I doubt the hood is approved as primary eye protection, which is what the safety glasses are for. I doubt you can get away with only the pancake.  Probably not impact tested like the eyewear.  But check and see what it says on the engravings/impressions in the hood.  If you see ANSI Z87.1+ then you are good with hood only.-DaveXMT304 with: 22A Feeder, or HF251 Hi Freq DC TIG air cooled
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Originally Posted by davec

  But check and see what it says on the engravings/impressions in the hood.  If you see ANSI Z87.1+ then you are good with hood only.
Reply:Just be aware, that just having the ANSI approval might not get you out of wearing safety glasses. I know nothing about pipeline work so I am not speaking about that, but in most industrial plants today safety glasses are standard PPE with few exceptions. The most common exception that I know of is when wearing a full face respirator, but not a welding hood, and arguing with the safety man is usually a no win. In the end it will be what ever the rules are where ever you are working and many places will have rules that are different then OSHA, you should remember that OSHA rules and regulations are the bare minimum that must be meet, not the gold standard. I do work in many places whee if all you meet was OSHA regs they would quickly show you the way off property.Mike
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Originally Posted by leightrepairs

Just be aware, that just having the ANSI approval might not get you out of wearing safety glasses. I know nothing about pipeline work so I am not speaking about that, but in most industrial plants today safety glasses are standard PPE with few exceptions. The most common exception that I know of is when wearing a full face respirator, but not a welding hood, and arguing with the safety man is usually a no win. In the end it will be what ever the rules are where ever you are working and many places will have rules that are different then OSHA, you should remember that OSHA rules and regulations are the bare minimum that must be meet, not the gold standard. I do work in many places whee if all you meet was OSHA regs they would quickly show you the way off property.
Reply:It can't just say ANSI, it needs to exactly say Z87.1 or it does not qualify as safety eyewear.  I am not familiar with this type of shield but if it makes it impossible to also wear safety glasses, I would think they would get it approved to the eyewear standards to cover you.  But you will need to find out if that is true or not and then proceed as appropriate.-DaveXMT304 with: 22A Feeder, or HF251 Hi Freq DC TIG air cooled
Reply:If you get the right safety glasses, you can wear them all day long under any normal welding hood, and you won't even notice them.But with that close fitting trim of a pancake hood, I don't think it would be comfortable or practical at all.. unless you specifically trimmed it to fit over the glasses? Try a different hood?If you're welding, the hood is the eye protection, otherwise it's glasses and/or grinding faceshield. We've always turned a blind eye (har-har) to the practice of taking glasses off when hood is down, as long as they're not taking the mickey - ie. walking around without any eye protection at all.
Reply:ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS wear safety glasses, under the hood (any kind of weld hood) or not or just walkin around **** flies around in a shop and will find it why into your baby blues or browns.I work outside all the time and the wind blows gring dust evrywhere and ive got **** in my eyes just from without even workin anything and had to get it drilled out
Reply:Situation resolved, at least for this location: wear glasses unless welding or otherwise wearing a face shield for stuff like grinding and plasma cutting.  Eyes always covered by something work suitable.  Either my existing Wendy's or new OP 500 works.  Guys were noticing glasses fogging up a lot, particularly with the Covid masks, and it was realized that foggy glasses under hood are unsafe because it obscures your vision.
Reply:From,https://www.millerwelds.com/resource...perator-safetyEnhanced grinding optionsFor many welding operators, grinding is a large and time-consuming — but necessary — part of the welding process. Some newer helmets offer a grind mode, which is a good option when the grinding is mostly post-weld cleanup work. With an external grind control option, the push of a button or flip of a switch puts the helmet into grind mode and adjusts the lens, which helps improve productivity and safety since there is no need for the operator to remove the helmet to make adjustments. Some helmets provide the ability to flip up the auto-darkening lens while keeping the rest of the shield down. This opens up a clear grinding shield beneath the auto-darkening lens to provide the operator a clear view of the work surface for critical grinding applications and setup work. It should be noted that safety glasses are still required underneath helmets with clear grind shields. If using a welding helmet for grinding, be sure to look for the ANSI Z87.1+ marking, as the “+” indicates that the helmet is certified to protect against high impact.
Reply:Ah yes, there are flip up pancakes, might get that as my next one.  I'm becoming something of a glutton for welding hoods lately.
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Originally Posted by yellowfin

Ah yes, there are flip up pancakes, might get that as my next one.  I'm becoming something of a glutton for welding hoods lately.