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Recently I bought a house with a 26'x30' detached garage. The garage is insulated and drywall sheets hung. Problem is the 2 doors, 9' wide by 7 ' high and a ceiling of just over 8' isn't suited for my uses.
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Reply:We know what comes next
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Reply:The plan is to raise the building about 27" with 3 courses of 8" block and doubled plates between the block and the stud wall. The 3 sides will be done that way and the front will be reframed with longer studs to a plate directly on the slab. The 2 doors will be replaced with a single 9' high by 12' wide insulated door.
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Reply:The way I plan on raising the building is doubled up rough sawn 2" x10" pine lumber I obtained from some windblown trees. The 2x10s will be screwed to the studs about 12" off the floor after the bottom 4' high row of drywall is removed. Under the 2x10s , 8" channel iron will go across the 26' width of the building. Braces will be ran from the ceiling to the 2x10s in a few places to prevent shifting. Jacks will be placed at the area where the channel meets the 2x10s , started with a plate welded to the top of the channel so the lifting point can then go under the channel after the building is partially raised. More to follow as the progression happens.Miller xmt304, Miller S22 p12, Miier Maxstar SD, Miller 252 w 30A, Miller super32p12, Lincoln Ranger 9, Thermal Arc 181I with spoolgun, Hypertherm 10000 ,Smith torches. Esab 161lts miniarc.
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Originally Posted by 7A749
We know what comes next
Reply:sounds like a plan Mike. You sure you don't want go to 12' ???
Raise to your height , step back and take another look .
Reply:In a perfect world I would probably start over, wider longer and taller. Preferably done for cheap by a scantily clad all female construction crew.( MN Dave probably has a pic or 10 to that effect). Hopefully all goes well, and with Menard's sale right now I will be saving one cent per block.
Reply:I have lifted a 24 x 24 and put one row of block around it. The hardest part was the first inch, after that larger pry bars and a track jack. I kept going around and dry stacking until I had enough clearance. It just takes time and beer. Be careful to brace the doors as I found out the one front wall had no nails attaching it to the side wall. Good Luck!
Reply:My shop has 9' doors, was that way when I bought the property. If they were 12', I could get my yard lift inside with a load on the forks and could also get most trucks in. My International's headboard clears the door openings by about 3/4" - can't get dump trucks or a standard service truck with crane mounted to the boxes into the shop as it sits.Good luck on the project; I've never been any good with wood and will be trying to learn something here.
Reply:I don't do a lot with wood anymore, pretty much just rough work. Probably 15 years since I laid any block, fortunately there will only be around 200 block . After looking things over, I found that the building is anchored with powder actuated nails, which can be a pita to deal with. The framework of the building should be pretty sturdy being it has 1/2" OSB for sheating. The biggest cost should be the door, quote was 900$ and change for a 9' x12' insulated door, installed.
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Originally Posted by M J D
That's funny, being that I don't know what's next.
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Originally Posted by M J D
I don't do a lot with wood anymore, pretty much just rough work. Probably 15 years since I laid any block, fortunately there will only be around 200 block . After looking things over, I found that the building is anchored with powder actuated nails, which can be a pita to deal with. The framework of the building should be pretty sturdy being it has 1/2" OSB for sheating. The biggest cost should be the door, quote was 900$ and change for a 9' x12' insulated door, installed.
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Originally Posted by 7A749
Mr. Patience doesn't do wood lol.
Reply:Mr Rig would have grabbed a guitar and gave him forty whacks for good measure
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Reply:Damn man, you were talking about cutting the nails this morning - saw this thread and figured it was all lifted and blocked for laying courses in the morning.You're slacking off and going to your regular job instead of working on the shop
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Reply:Funny how that works. It will be nice to actually have some time to work on this over the weekend. Hopefully it goes smooth, and I can find all of the fasteners that are holding it in place.
Reply:I'm sure it'll go smoothly - but if it doesn't, just use more power - that'll fix it
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Reply:Just a walk in the park...
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Originally Posted by M J D
The biggest cost should be the door, quote was 900$ and change for a 9' x12' insulated door, installed.
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Originally Posted by DSW
Where did you get the quote on the door and what model? I'm thinking a 10'x12' door for the new "shed" later this year.I never was a big block fan. I'd jack it all up and pour the walls myself. 8" or wider and you'd have enough room to shoot in the crete if you are careful or pump it. I was just talking to the guy who owns the farm where we do 4-H Wednesday night. He's got an old barn the lower block wall is bowing in due to soil on the outside. He asked if I did block or knew a mason. I told him it's a shame we got rid of all the concrete wall forms last year. I'd have easily poured him a nice 10-12" wall about 4' hight to get him above grade, then framed the rest for infill.
Reply:My dream is to have my shop re-wired by a real electrician.It's hard to weld when you can't see.
Reply:Exciting stuff! Let me know if you need any help. I can bring the antique skidsteer by as well if needed.Really at the point of lifting the garage adding in another stack or two of blocks for that extra foot might make you happy in the future. Plus with the $0.01 savings at Menards right now you'll be making out like a bandit!12v battery, jumper cables, and a 6013.I only have a facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/pages/VPT/244788508917829
Reply:You're doing better than me... my plan A was to remove the flat roof that I didn't like off of a pig barn and extend the 8' walls up to 14'. When I got into it, Plan B ended up blowing everything off to floor level and starting from scratch. That was 3 yrs ago and I'm still working on it.250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
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Originally Posted by VPT
Exciting stuff! Let me know if you need any help. I can bring the antique skidsteer by as well if needed.Really at the point of lifting the garage adding in another stack or two of blocks for that extra foot might make you happy in the future. Plus with the $0.01 savings at Menards right now you'll be making out like a bandit!
Reply:Do it if you can... you won't regret it. My 12ft door isn't high enough...250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
Originally Posted by M J D
I had access to forms, poured would be the way to go.
Reply:I'm not sure if this building will be heated or if insulation is an issue, but there is another option (not a cheap option however). Like some of the others I have seen block walls fail, so I prefer to pour with lots of steel. There are also sterofoam forms that you can buy that stay on the concrete when you are done. Very handy for insulated basements. Both my son and my brother have used them for new basement builds with great success. If the outside isn't going to be backfilled, you just cover the sterofoam with stucco and its good. On the inside there is built in metal studs that you can attach the covering of your choice to. If you are welding and doing metal work in there, the only covering I would consider is sheet metal. By the time you get it prefinished and add in the cost of a couple paint jobs on paneling or sheetrock, it's really not a bad deal.250 amp Miller DialArc AC/DC StickF-225 amp Forney AC Stick230 amp Sears AC StickLincoln 180C MIGVictor Medalist 350 O/ACut 50 PlasmaLes
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Originally Posted by M J D
Going higher may happen, a 10' tall door was 100$ more than a 9' door. I would need 5 courses to fit in the 10' door without messing with trusses. Thanks for the offer. I could use a load of masonry sand if you have a dump trailer or small dump truck.
Reply:Cores of the block at about 4, intervals will be filled with concrete, vertical rebar to the slab. The remainder will be filled with spray foam. While I agree poured walls are a good thing, it's by no means necessary on a small job like this. Metal siding has its place, but I prefer plywood or OSB, since it's much easier to attach to.
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Originally Posted by VPT
Sorry only a flat bed and small garden trailer here.
Reply:My shop is 10'9" to the bottom of the trusses. It is not tall enough. You are going to all the trouble to do it so at least go to 12' walls. 14' would be better with 12' doors. I could only get a 9'6" door in mine and it is way better than my old 8' that I removed 2 years ago but if I were raising the whole building like you are doing I would go with 12' doors. By the way I installed a Menards insulated comercial door with metal skin on both sides. To buy it cost me $1250 but I love this door. it is 10 times better than my old 8" insulated door.
Reply:Interesting project , post pictures of the process and progress.
Reply:Not much for excitement. Removing drywall and pulling insulation out of the way. Removed the service door and frame. Dealt with pita fasteners that held the plate to the slab. My initial thought was that they were powder actuated nails, turns out they were countersunk head, 1/4" tapcons with a Philips head. I was able to remove 2 with an impact driver. The remainder were dealt with by driving plastic tree felling wedges between the plate and the slab to make a gap. Cutting discs on a 6" grinder or sawzall was used to cut the screws off.
Reply:Here is the doubled up 2x10 attached to the studs, 12" off the floor. Also you can see the bracing on the service door opening. I used #9x3-1/8" deck screws with a t-25 torx head for attaching to the studs. Underneath the wood beam with be 2 pieces of 8" channel, perpendicular to the 2x10s. I
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Reply:HOLY COW!!! THE PIX ON YOUR PHONE ARE PERFECT!!!!Looking good so far. Remember our conversation earlier...When the safety nazis come along, stuff as many nuns, puppies and children in that garage as you can, that way when it fails (it will according to most internet armchair engineers) they can break the fall of the building, thus saving it from total ruin..
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Originally Posted by 7A749
HOLY COW!!! THE PIX ON YOUR PHONE ARE PERFECT!!!!Looking good so far. Remember our conversation earlier...When the safety nazis come along, stuff as many nuns, puppies and children in that garage as you can, that way when it fails (it will according to most internet armchair engineers) they can break the fall of the building, thus saving it from total ruin..
Reply:Keep the pictures coming. Raise it as high as you can get away with.Ernie F.
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Originally Posted by 7A749
HOLY COW!!! THE PIX ON YOUR PHONE ARE PERFECT!!!!Looking good so far. Remember our conversation earlier...When the safety nazis come along, stuff as many nuns, puppies and children in that garage as you can, that way when it fails (it will according to most internet armchair engineers) they can break the fall of the building, thus saving it from total ruin..
Reply:One of the things that has always amazed me is how big an empty building appears. Once stuff starts getting laid out and put in place, it shrinks faster than a hamburger pattie on a hot grill. Kind of suffering from a surplus of rain and a lack of ambition today.
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Originally Posted by MinnesotaDave
It won't fall, it's just jacking up a building
I have faith since I've done actual dumb stuff and survived
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Originally Posted by 7A749
Of course we know it won't fail, but online armchair engineers of the AAACE will likely disagree with our assessment.We ALL know how that works
Reply:As a Committee Chair of the Midwestern Chapter of the AAACE, I know this to be fact...
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Reply:My biggest concern is that it doesn't decide to travel to the east direction.
Reply:Lots of removing and moving things around today.
Reply:Opposite eave wall with ledger
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Reply:Back wall ready for ledger All of the pita tapcon screws cut off
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Reply:Damn. I bet the former owner would crap his pants if he saw it now!I bet it turns out just fine.Expert Garage Hack....https://www.facebook.com/steven.webber.948
Reply:The former owner was a complete hack when it came down to hanging the drywall and doing the wiring. Most of the screws were sunk right thru the paper and pieces of drywall with no reasoning as to which direction it was put on. Most of the outlets weren't mounted very well either.
Reply:Hey Mike , you be jammin on that !! Maybe do a basement while you are at it.
So, what's the height gonna be ????
Reply:Minimum of 10' ceiling, which would be 3 courses of block. |
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发表于 2021-9-1 23:13:55