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Hi, I am interested in fixing my car which needs some welding, as well as some around the house stuff ( mower deck, etc) . I had experience with oxyacetylene about 15 years ago, and with my introduction of myself here on this site, it was suggested I go with with gas mig by Zap. I never worked with that, have no idea as to what is involved. I guess this was suggested because (I hope) it is user friendly; I guess I was leaning toward Oxyacetylene, because at the very least I was introduced to that.I have my eye on a used Lincoln Weld PAC 100. It is in an excellent condition, tank does not have gas. Comes with a few spools of welding wire, a few welding clamps and a shield*.Would this work for me?*What is meant by sheild?What is on the bottom of the cart, looks like a hand held mask?! That would not seem practical!I beleive he is asking $450 for it.I'm just begining to look around............Thanks so much for input or suggestions!Matt
Reply:Hi again!Well, I am doing a lot of reading on this site to better understand MIG welding, I came across this as below, what does he mean by .......... "I too was seduced by MIG, but learned from numerous sources that most people learn MIG precisely because they dont want to learn how to actually weld. They are looking for the "easiest" path to joining metals, and they get slack once they learn the minimum" ?? Is he saying that the MIG produces not a true weld, but more like a glue? Again, I used oxyacetylene very long time ago, and I remember what a "weld" is!Thanks again!MattDirtyLittleSecret WeldingWeb Tradesman Join Date: Dec 2006Location: Troutdale, ORPosts: 486 Re: Best way to start welding? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Personally I would go for the Smith Med Duty OA torch kit on Ebay, rent some OA bottles, get some rods, and pay a CL welder for an afternoon (4 hours or so) introduction since you dont have any connections. Maybe look at your local Community College for a intro course as well. This would kit you out with a cutting torch as well as a great welding system that will prepare you for MANY great things.To what I understand the step from OA to TIG is easy. You'll also need a helmet and a grinder (also available at HF if you need to go super inexpensive).This is how I would do it if I really wanted to learn how to weld (rather than just stick metal to metal). I too was seduced by MIG, but learned from numerous sources that most people learn MIG precisely because they dont want to learn how to actually weld. They are looking for the "easiest" path to joining metals, and they get slack once they learn the minimum. Welding is ALOT more complicated than that...just look at some of our pros around here!
Reply:No, he is saying if you really want to become an artist or good at welding, start with a process that takes some skill. Then, you will truly learn how to properly stick metal together by not only making it look good but having a strong weld as well. I've seen some examples of local hobby guys that say they have a welder and they can weld....ugh. To further add, I've repaired the same crap that either isn't working right or it broke. John - fabricator extraordinaire, car nut!- bleeding Miller blue! http://www.weldfabzone.com
Reply:Go for the Lincoln. Its a nice machine. Take the time to learn how to use it properly. Have a BlastDavidReal world weldin. When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:Go for the Lincoln. Its a nice machine. Take the time to learn how to use it properly.
Reply:mig is a great tool if done rite it has a range of use from sheet through to heavy plate if you know the machine and it is set rite.the best way to get to know it is to have a good play around like any welding you got to just spend time melting steel.the day you stop learning in this tradeis the day your in your grave
Reply:I agree that TIG is far more intense and hardcore, I got exposed to MIG/TIG/STICK at the community college here, got AWS certified in MIG.Here is the thing I like about using a MIG around the shop... My machine can be easily used to do everything from body work to frame fab on the stuff I work on. Stick, to me, is the most cost effective and durable bunch of machines on the face of the earth, but are not as user friendly and for my uses are terribly time consuming with cleaning slag and everything. Stick is just about useless for sheetmetal work, and I do quite a bit of sheetmetal some weeks. TIG is awesome, but not something youre going to get into for cheap, at all. TIG also requires a lot more knowledge and skill, but it is a fine art and guys like ZAP always amaze me with how easy they make it seem.All that being said- get yourself a MIG, and get yourself some schooling if you can. If you want to use it for projects around the house, then I think it is the best bet. I have yet to read a welding book that was good for teaching you how to weld, but a lot of them can be good for giving you ideas on how to set the machine and things like that. Reference material more or less. But thats just my opinion, maybe everyone will think its dumb? lol
Reply:And off topic slightly but something that I think about a LOT....When people say things like "from what I understand", I wonder how much they know about what they are claiming. Is it first-hand experience and knowledge, or is it a parrot that reads 5 threads and combines them into a plagiarized disaster? There is a ton of that on other forums, i dont know about here....The thing I learned recently that has made my car competitive is to find the fast MF'er around, and listen to what he says. I lucked into an NMRA multi-record-holder who is willing to give me a clue when I get stuck. What I mean in this case is, if you want to know about field work, there are lots of field repair experts on here. Wanna know about TIG? This forum has lots of them too. Pretty much any welding process you could want to know about, the knowledge is here on the board, ask and you shall receive
Reply:The shield is the hand-held black thing with the lens in it. You hold it in front of your face and eyes with one hand and then weld with the other hand.Most people use a helmet to protect the face and eyes. IMHO the shield is OK to give to someone who's watching you weld.You'll also need welding gloves, and a grinder is very-very-very useful. Use it with grinding wheels or flap-discs or wire brushes as part of the cut, prep, and clean and finish your metal.Yes MIG is welding. Done right it is as strong as any properly done weld. Done wrong it is as weak and ugly as any poorly done weld. Done wrong a MIG weld can -look- OK at first glance, but still be weak and poorly done. That's where the skill and knowledge and practice comes in.The price on that used welder is not a great deal, but it is an OK price for the welder, tank, cart, and some wire and 'stuff'. The cart looks pretty nice, and the color match to the Lincoln red looks good.
Reply:From what I understand...sorry! Good advice thus far! Go for it! How you get to Carnegie Hall is irrelevant, it's how you perform @ Carnegie Hall that makes or breaks ya! Picture the perfect weld in your mind...then make it!City of L.A. Structural; Manual & Semi-Automatic;"Surely there is a mine for silver, and a place where gold is refined. Iron is taken from the earth, and copper is smelted from ore."Job 28:1,2Lincoln, Miller, Victor & ISV BibleDanny
Reply:Go for it! I have almost the same set up. I bought new. Was nearly 1000.00. Mig is welding. It's what almost all of the automated manufacturing robots use. Just remember a nice looking weld doesn't mean its strong. You only need to be 2% smarter than what you are working on.Lincoln pm140hacksawa big hammer
Reply:OK, Thanks guys, I will be picking it up soon, yea, I do not think the price is for a great deal, but it does come with a tank, and the cart does seem convenient.I am looking forward to start welding. I understand the tank is empty, but I think i can still weld without it. Definetely I would like to get a helmet, and have been to ebay, and the prices is all over the place. I'm guessing the autodarkening helmets are the convenient ones. I've begun to read about helmets on this site, so I am begining my learning.I will be bothering you guys a heck of a lot in the very near future.I should have tried to bid the guy down some $$ - oh wellThanks so much.Matt
Reply:Harbor freight has an auto darkening helmet for $49.00. Works fine, I have 2.DavidReal world weldin. When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:Originally Posted by MicroZoneNo, he is saying if you really want to become an artist or good at welding, start with a process that takes some skill. Then, you will truly learn how to properly stick metal together by not only making it look good but having a strong weld as well. I've seen some examples of local hobby guys that say they have a welder and they can weld....ugh. To further add, I've repaired the same crap that either isn't working right or it broke.
Reply:[QUOTE=Mr matt](I am looking forward to start welding. I understand the tank is empty, but I think i can still weld without it.)You should understand that shielding gas (argon - co2 - etc) is required in many welding processes including MIG. It protects the molten weld pool from contamination (the surrounding air). While you may be able to run wire and melt metal, the results you will see are not useful to you as a practice tool.Very ugly indeed!Good luck with your welding aspirations. There are many here who will help you out. Pics of your welds in the future are a nice addition to show us your progress, and also to help us "help you". ELVISLast edited by ElvisW; 10-18-2007 at 12:44 PM.
Reply:That machine is flux core capable so it will weld without gas with the flux core wire, the welds with gas will be neater due to less slag produced. Flux core will allow you to weld thicker metal than wire w/gas. Download and read the manual from Lincolns site. Price is okay considering if it has the gas kit with selenoid added, plus the cart and wire.
Reply:Hay Matt one thing is toss that hand held shield and get a welding helmet you put on your head! That POS is nothing but a pain in the ***! Like Dave R. mentioned HF has some autos.. Your call on that one. But get a BIG window Jackson and you will have no problems. Me!
Reply:Even better is getting something to stick around the edges of the welding helmet to cover the glare you get from behind. Anyone use those cowhide fully enclosed welding helmets like the ones from Arizonatools.com product #HUN25056 |
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