Water cooler set up question

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I would like to make a water cooler, but have a few questions...What I don't know is how a water cooled torch hooks up?All the ones I have seen are only three leads/hoses, but we need 4 so witch one is pulling double duty? Is it the same gas/electric hook up as my air cooled torch and then just two cooling lines?  I have also herd of using water to cool the cable feeding the torch?Me!
Reply:Water to the torch carries the power.You need a 45V11 power adapter for water a cooled torch.Last edited by olddad; 08-23-2007 at 08:40 PM.Anything worth doing is worth doing RIGHT
Reply:You want what I have..Same thing as a WP-20..Water out is on the same lug as the pos. side..Water in is in the tube without the power cable..The other hose is for gas..They are left and right handed threads..No way to screw them up as far as where they go..Gonna need a water cooled adapter for the Pos. side...Available at any welding supply.....zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:Originally Posted by olddadWater to the torch carries the power.You need a 45V11 power adapter for water a cooled torch.
Reply:On all factory set-ups using the Weldcraft 45V11 Power Adapter (the Weldcraft 45V62 is for air cooled) the water TO the torch carries the power. Suppose you could set it up any way you wish if you build your own system but those power adapters are industry standard.Anything worth doing is worth doing RIGHT
Reply:Hate to do this but..Dad..Look at the pic...My exhaust "out the door" tube is clear so I know I have flow...It comes from the power lug...And every watercooled machine I have run is the same way.....zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:My apologies Sir, just checked the Weldcraft site and you would be correct.Makes no sense though, to connect in that fashion you need an adapter where the other way there is no need for an adapter. Learn something every day...I've ALWAYS connected them the other way and have never burnt a torch ??Anything worth doing is worth doing RIGHT
Reply:They are left handed and right handed threads for that reason...If your running say 300 amps all day..The water going the other way out would melt the tube so fast......zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:I have seen the adapters you show on your unit Zap, but I need one a bit difrent.  I need to seperater the gas and power.This is what I got... (Miller Sync200)Me!
Reply:cool water= low resistance= more current capability= less voltage drop
Reply:You are gonna need a radiator to use a watercooled torch with your machine.....zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterYou are gonna need a radiator to use a watercooled torch with your machine.....zap!
Reply:Originally Posted by Me!Ya, that is whant I want to make...I dont see how a coolmate would hook up thow unless you can get some funky adapters!  Do they have an adapter that has a lug and gas fitting on it that I can plug in? And WTF do you call it...
Reply:I figure someone must be using a water cooled torch with this setup... After using yours it is a big deference.Me!
Reply:I have a brief pic of my torch adapter.  It has a gas through the DINS like yours.  Water comes from the cooler to the adapter. Attached ImagesReal world weldin.  When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterWater out is on the same lug as the pos. side.....zap!
Reply:Maybe they've got what you need here; http://www.weldtec.com/quick%20connectors.htmAnything worth doing is worth doing RIGHT
Reply:Originally Posted by David RNeg side?   David
Reply:Got it!  Hobart has a switch on the front.   TanksDavidReal world weldin.  When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:I'm not sure I'm getting this, Am I to understand that the welding current uses the water as a conductor, that just don't seem rightDon't talk about it, Just do it!
Reply:Originally Posted by VicoorI'm not sure I'm getting this, Am I to understand that the welding current uses the water as a conductor, that just don't seem right
Reply:water cools the power cable also...Thanks guys just what I was looking for!It's going to be a while till I make one, but I will post it!Me!
Reply:OK that makes sense. The picture above looks like just a water hose.Don't talk about it, Just do it!
Reply:Allow me to be a jackass....So if you run an AC only machine, which terminal does the adapter go on? Cuz there is not POS or NEG in AC Mode. Huh? Huh? Huh?My machine is labeled Work and Electrode, I believe. I will have to go make sure. But I think that is what it says. On my panel I can turn the dial from DCEN to DCEP or to AC.  Bring it!Lincoln Power Mig 210MP MIGLincoln Power Mig 350MP - MIG and Push-PullLincoln TIG 300-300Lincoln Hobby-Weld 110v  Thanks JLAMESCK TIG TORCH, gas diffuser, pyrex cupThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 101My brain
Reply:If your machine has any kind of wave balance it matters. Otherwise not.DavidReal world weldin.  When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.In my best Homer Simpson voice:MMMMMMMM Wave BalanceNope, I just have a hi-freq tig module to plug into my ranger 9. Now...I am trying to talk my buddy out of his PrecisionTig. He never uses it. And when the machine has been used...it was by ME for HIM. He won't let go of it.Aaargh...I hate when my buddies have better toys than me!Lincoln Power Mig 210MP MIGLincoln Power Mig 350MP - MIG and Push-PullLincoln TIG 300-300Lincoln Hobby-Weld 110v  Thanks JLAMESCK TIG TORCH, gas diffuser, pyrex cupThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 101My brain
Reply:Originally Posted by Me!I have seen the adapters you show on your unit Zap, but I need one a bit difrent.  I need to seperater the gas and power.This is what I got... (Miller Sync200)Attachment 12124Attachment 12121
Reply:Here's a little primer on hooking up:http://joewelder.com/2007/07/18/upgr...lding-machine/Most machines as far as I know can be hooked up with the Weldcraft TIG Torches--  check out the Q5WGT--  I think you said you were looking for a gas thru hook upand more info here:http://www.carmenelectrode.com/2007/...ur-tig-welder/Last edited by CarmenElectrode; 08-24-2007 at 04:48 PM.-----------------------Carmen Electrodewww.CarmenElectrode.comand the boss blogs at  www.JoeWelder.comall powered by  www.Arc-Zone.com
Reply:Yep, The adapters are just what I was looking for!As far as not needing a water solenoid, I know I don't need one but I am going to add an output on the back of my welder for on so I can use house water to start.  I will also be installing a rec. for the water cooler only that will be powered from the welder and switched on/off be the main power switch when in TIG so I can't forget to turn the cooler on.Me!
Reply:Originally Posted by Me!Ya, that is whant I want to make...I dont see how a coolmate would hook up thow unless you can get some funky adapters!  Do they have an adapter that has a lug and gas fitting on it that I can plug in? And WTF do you call it...
Reply:Originally Posted by Me!Ya, that is whant I want to make...I dont see how a coolmate would hook up thow unless you can get some funky adapters!  Do they have an adapter that has a lug and gas fitting on it that I can plug in? And WTF do you call it...
Reply:Here is the dinse hooked up. I was going to build a cooler. I have a hocon pump, heat exchanger and small muffin fans. I just never got around to building one. I got this one cheap so I used that instead. I guess I need to sell off some of the stuff I have.  T.J.www.tjsperformance.comDynasty 300 DXHTP 240HTP Microcut 380Hyperthem 85JD2 Hyd Bender and HF Hyd Ring Roller all in one =(Frankenbender)Bpt. Mill/DRO4' x 8' CNC Plasma TableInstagram: tjsperformanceYT: TJS Welding and Fabrication
Reply:DINSE Adapter Miller Part # 195377 List $ 66.00 Attached Images
Reply:Great forum.  Perfect thread.  Intermediate welder here who wants to go water cooled.  I'm building the cooler just to have fun with a project.  It didn't take me long to realize I wouldn't save a heck of a lot of money this way, but at least I can play with trying to keep the weight and dimensions to a minimum.I just couldn't get my head around how the water/power/gas flowed!  I see that I'll have to get the dinse adapter for the front of my tig machine. I'll just hard plumb the rest of it to barbs to save money.  I'm still a bit confused about the water flow.  Earlier in the thread it seemed that we'd established that the water must cool the power cable most efficiently so it must be circulating through the power cable BEFORE going into the torch.  The last couple of posts suggest otherwise. The following diagram from a Lincoln cooler manual show that it indeed does go through the power cable AFTER cooling the torch.   Is it consistent with all setups?
Reply:Your diagram is correct. One of the difficulties with Miller is that apparently they wanted us to suffer if we want a liquid-cooled torch. I love my Syncrowave 200 but the cooling hookup is a PITA, besides being expensive and confusing. Nonetheless, they do work and quite well once you have the Dinse adapter in hand as well as 20 feet of hose and about 20 clamps.This is an old thread. Since last August, when I wrote the post above, I scored a deal on eBay for a couple of Procon pumps and three new motors with Procon adapters. I changed the old motor and vintage pump on my homemade stainless steel 15 gallon water circulator for a new motor and a Procon. I also made a trade for a used Bernard 3500 SS cooler unit that just needed a good cleanup. Either the circulator or the Bernard will do a nice job. If you're going to make a water circulator you really don't need a fan or radiator since I've used the circulator tank for close to 15 years and it's yet to overheat. As I said earlier, I run it about half full with close to 7 gallons of distilled water. If you really want to you can add a gallon of Miller coolant if you can afford it. (Don't tell anyone but Dex-cool will work every bit as well.) The only reason why you might want to run a lot of coolant would be if your shop is in an area where it could feeze. That doesn't happen where I am. It gets below freezing in Sacramento County but my shop never gets below 40 deg. F. inside. Another issue that could come up would be algae growth but that usually doesn't happen with distilled water. If you get that, you could add some Lysol and that usually takes care of it.  In looking at the Bernard, it's a nice unit but I really cannot see why they are selling for close to $800. There's not much to them that couldn't de duplicated by a good welder with a pump and motor. As mentioned earlier, when using a Procon pump, you really don't need a water solenoid. Happy Trails!   Last edited by gnm109; 03-20-2008 at 07:10 PM.