Not a fan of Mig !

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Just curious am I and my instructor the only ones on this planet that would rather Stick weld than Mig ?I find Stick easier to control.  I find mig a lot harder to see.    So how about it would you rather Stick or Mig ?
Reply:I  would rather stick than mig any day. I think if a person learns how to weld with stick he will always prefer it. But if they prefer mig then they never knew how to weld in the first place. Harold
Reply:I perfer Mig myself but still do a lot of stick.I find mig easyer and I like the fact that I only need to move my hand along the line and never need to change the electro.Miller DVI2Lincoln Precision Tig 225Thermodynamics Cutmaster 38Everything else needed.
Reply:i like mig if i have a lot of welding to do. it's just more efficient than stick. both have their places and i enjoy both.  but if i need speed i haft to go with the mig. time is money as they say. i think with a little more time you will get more comfortable with mig.
Reply:As patrickp said, each has it's place. I have done both and prefer MIG for most things,Lee HurlbuttUpland [email protected]
Reply:What ever trips your trigger.  I mig A LOT and when I go back to stick chipping slag seems so archaic.It depends on the job.  Mig is faster.I did a job last month that used 100 lbs of rod (8018 was speced).  Another job came along and could use mig.   Both have their place.  I get  paid by the hour on most jobs, so stick is fine, tig is good and mig is fastest. I like all processes.  I hope to master them all some day.David Real world weldin.  When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:Originally Posted by WelderskelterI  would rather stick than mig any day. I think if a person learns how to weld with stick he will always prefer it. But if they prefer mig then they never knew how to weld in the first place. Harold
Reply:I agree with you all totally that Mig is more efficent.  I just like the fact that you have more control with Stick I can make adjustments while welding (as said in a post above).   I like the fact of no slag with Mig.  Makes things a lot quicker,  I can run a triple pass fillet in about 1/3 the time I could do it with stick.  Give me another week at it and I may like Mig just as much as Stick.
Reply:Originally Posted by WelderskelterI  would rather stick than mig any day. I think if a person learns how to weld with stick he will always prefer it. But if they prefer mig then they never knew how to weld in the first place. Harold
Reply:if you own you business you will haft to bid on jobs. this is where time is money. faster you get done the faster you can move on to the next project. that's where a mig saves you time and money.
Reply:I would rather have the option of using either one, depending on the job and conditions. City of L.A. Structural; Manual & Semi-Automatic;"Surely there is a mine for silver, and a place where gold is refined. Iron is taken from the earth, and copper is smelted from ore."Job 28:1,2Lincoln, Miller, Victor & ISV BibleDanny
Reply:Yea mig welding is nice for sheet metal, and covering alot of ground but if you had a choice to choose one to learn first... get Stick welding under your belt before you go for theautomated MIG welding process
Reply:May be old school, but when I need good structural strength and want the pentration without worrying about lapping its the stick, Like for heavy stuff thats getting hoisted. all around fabrication on 1/4 or 3/8 angle or tube give me the mig all day. Innershied for the bucket repairs and trailer work."Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum"Lincoln Idealarc 250 AC/DCMillermatic 251   Syncrowave 300   30A spoolgunLincoln MP210Hypertherm 45(2) LN 25(2) Lincoln Weldanpower 225 CV(4) SA200   1 short hood    SA250    SAM 400
Reply:No way one process will work for everything.  I mig, tig, stick, braze, solder, glue and duct tape daily in my fab shop.
Reply:Originally Posted by kolotMay be old school, but when I need good structural strength and want the pentration without worrying about lapping its the stick, Like for heavy stuff thats getting hoisted. all around fabrication on 1/4 or 3/8 angle or tube give me the mig all day. Innershied for the bucket repairs and trailer work.
Reply:Originally Posted by TSORNo way one process will work for everything.  I mig, tig, stick, braze, solder, glue and duct tape daily in my fab shop.
Reply:I would choose stick over mig. At the steel shop I worked at we would mig and stick. It got boring miging everything. But when it came to stick welding I was all over it. It just made the job more FUN. Till this day I still find mig boring. Maybe I'm just a die hard fan of stick welding.WOW!!! That was cool...
Reply:Originally Posted by WelderskelterI  would rather stick than mig any day.
Reply:i am just an obsessed hobby welder with  no commercial perspective,and have not  touched my 110v wirefeeder which i always loved using  since the day i got my ta185 which i tig and stick with. prefer o/a to mig as well.
Reply:Originally Posted by WelderskelterI  would rather stick than mig any day. I think if a person learns how to weld with stick he will always prefer it. But if they prefer mig then they never knew how to weld in the first place. Harold
Reply:o/a has it's benefits but if you do a big job you'll understand why a mig is handier. all processes of welding will come into play if you work for yourself so you'd better be able to do em.
Reply:Originally Posted by TSORNo way one process will work for everything.  I mig, tig, stick, braze, solder, glue and duct tape daily in my fab shop.
Reply:I hope I didnt rock anybodys boat, but I see I did get quite a few opinions for ya newfie. Ha. I confess I am 58 and welded almost all my life, and maybe I am just to old to change. Halliburton, Steiger Tractor, Olmann Heath, and many more. But I feel like a dog on a 10ft. chain when migging and I get pretty irratable at the end of the day. Yes, I suppose mig welding does have its place but I feel stick does feel more comfortable for me. Harold
Reply:having not had much stick time I'm probably not the most balanced opinionbut I can say that for the type of work I do, MIG is far far more convenient than stick welding could possibly be. Without getting too detailed, Im a blacksmith, the MIG gets used constantly to build temporary jigs directly or eventually tacked to 1" plate welding tables. As well as lots of Plug welds, hidden welds, tool repair (Powerhammers\cages\texturing dies\ect) In short most of my welding is done without needing to look at the weld. half the welds need to survive a medium smack with a hammer against the jig, but come loose with a big sledgeWill forge for foodcrash & smash, bash & mash, crush & bust & burn
Reply:Originally Posted by Newfie_1986Just curious am I and my instructor the only ones on this planet that would rather Stick weld than Mig ?I find Stick easier to control.  I find mig a lot harder to see.    So how about it would you rather Stick or Mig ?i like stick,much more violent,it is just cool.  mig has its place though.
Reply:Originally Posted by David RWhat ever trips your trigger.  I mig A LOT and when I go back to stick chipping slag seems so archaic.It depends on the job.  Mig is faster.I did a job last month that used 100 lbs of rod (8018 was speced).  Another job came along and could use mig.   Both have their place.  I get  paid by the hour on most jobs, so stick is fine, tig is good and mig is fastest. I like all processes.  I hope to master them all some day.David
Reply:Was looking at some pictures of welding in a shipyard.  They were using BIGAZZ wire feed equipment on some pretty heavy plate.  Same article described how they weld on both sides of the hull simultaneously in order to equalize distortion/stress.  Seems to be a good use for all types of processes.  If it does a good job, use it."Any day above ground is a good day"http://www.farmersamm.com/
Reply:I like them both. It depends on what im working on
Reply:Originally Posted by farmersammWas looking at some pictures of welding in a shipyard.  They were using BIGAZZ wire feed equipment on some pretty heavy plate.  Same article described how they weld on both sides of the hull simultaneously in order to equalize distortion/stress.  Seems to be a good use for all types of processes.  If it does a good job, use it.
Reply:If my life isn't at stake or there is no real need for a true "weld", just basically need hot glue that is metal. Like I am welding up 11ga or smaller (sheetmetal).. MIG is fine! If my life or others are at stake, is on an oil rig or holds thousands of pounds... Stick all the way...He didn't ask about all the other, primitive or exotic methods so I won't go there.. Almost all those including MIG are in shop only though. You don't have the money or the patience to drag a MIG stinger around a drilling site!!
Reply:A "true weld"????? So MIG isn't a real weld? QamuIs Heg qaq law' lorvIs yInqaq puS
Reply:Originally Posted by WelderskelterI  would rather stick than mig any day. I think if a person learns how to weld with stick he will always prefer it. But if they prefer mig then they never knew how to weld in the first place. Harold
Reply:Nope.. MIG is more like hot glue!! Basically causes a chemical bond from heat and rapid cooling.. Try and get your AWS pipe certs in MIG.. Or just to save you some face, try and pass a destructive v-butt test in any position on flat plate. Then tell me how many tabs make it!! Unless you guys are confusing MIG and flux-core. Flux has merit! If you want to combine the speed of wire with an actual weld, that is why they invented it.. Guess that is the differance between an online craftsman and a real world craftsman!
Reply:Talk about an arrogant SOB.......  Internet craftsman?? Dude, you don't know me from Adam and yet you will tell me what I do and don't know????. That is BS and you know it. You wanna call someone an idiot, you better make sure who you are talking to first. Some of us actually are in the business and know of what we speak.   AWS flat plate tests are passed every day with mig. Spray transfer will be anything but hot glue. That and a properly executed short circuit weld will be just as strong as any stick weld. I do know of several pressure vessel shops that use solid wire for fittings and flanges....and they all pass. They have been doing it for a very long time and do not have problems...so why don't you drag yourself down there and tell those weld engineers they don't know what they are talking about, huh?Myself, I have executed quite a few high strength welds with MIG and have yet to have a failure. Is 80,000# of weight on the weld without failure enough for you??? How about excavator and tractor tooth assemblies on high carbon steel edges.......they get a ton of stress in every direction. That good enough? Hot glue my azz.  You really need to actually learn a thing or two about metalurgy before spouting crap like that.QamuIs Heg qaq law' lorvIs yInqaq puS
Reply:Fact of the matter is, it takes roughly 17 months to become proficient at stick welding, where as only two weeks for mig. You go figure.
Reply:Originally Posted by doublebarrelNope.. MIG is more like hot glue!! Basically causes a chemical bond from heat and rapid cooling.. Try and get your AWS pipe certs in MIG.. Or just to save you some face, try and pass a destructive v-butt test in any position on flat plate. Then tell me how many tabs make it!! Unless you guys are confusing MIG and flux-core. Flux has merit! If you want to combine the speed of wire with an actual weld, that is why they invented it.. Guess that is the differance between an online craftsman and a real world craftsman!
Reply:Guess I shoulda used stick huh? Attached Images
Reply:^ hahahahThat was grand!*insert welding gibberish here*                    Mandy
Reply:Originally Posted by DDA52Talk about an arrogant SOB.......  Internet craftsman?? Dude, you don't know me from Adam and yet you will tell me what I do and don't know????. That is BS and you know it. You wanna call someone an idiot, you better make sure who you are talking to first. Some of us actually are in the business and know of what we speak.   AWS flat plate tests are passed every day with mig. Spray transfer will be anything but hot glue. That and a properly executed short circuit weld will be just as strong as any stick weld. I do know of several pressure vessel shops that use solid wire for fittings and flanges....and they all pass. They have been doing it for a very long time and do not have problems...so why don't you drag yourself down there and tell those weld engineers they don't know what they are talking about, huh?Myself, I have executed quite a few high strength welds with MIG and have yet to have a failure. Is 80,000# of weight on the weld without failure enough for you??? How about excavator and tractor tooth assemblies on high carbon steel edges.......they get a ton of stress in every direction. That good enough? Hot glue my azz.  You really need to actually learn a thing or two about metalurgy before spouting crap like that.
Reply:I'm out of troll food, sorry.
Reply:Originally Posted by doublebarrelSnip......pass a destructive v-butt test in any position on flat plate. Snip....
Reply:Originally Posted by Fred Paul JonesFact of the matter is, it takes roughly 17 months to become proficient at stick welding, where as only two weeks for mig. You go figure.
Reply:I guess it depends on who is holding the stinger.David Real world weldin.  When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:Originally Posted by doublebarrelNope.. MIG is more like hot glue!! Basically causes a chemical bond from heat and rapid cooling.. Try and get your AWS pipe certs in MIG.. Or just to save you some face, try and pass a destructive v-butt test in any position on flat plate. Then tell me how many tabs make it!! Unless you guys are confusing MIG and flux-core. Flux has merit! If you want to combine the speed of wire with an actual weld, that is why they invented it.. Guess that is the differance between an online craftsman and a real world craftsman!
Reply:This was MIGReal world weldin.  When I grow up I want to be a tig weldor.
Reply:Hot-glue is a good process for many applications. An example, these tacks:Attachment 24420But, it's difficult to add the filler and bonding agent needed for the strongest welds. An example, the high strength alloying agent used in the final weld...Attachment 24421...Bits of cowhide, deposited directly off the glove!Last edited by denrep; 10-19-2010 at 11:38 PM.
Reply:Maybe ya need a real hot glue gun machine. Attached ImagesLast edited by Fred Paul Jones; 10-19-2008 at 11:45 AM.
Reply:Quick somebody place a call to CAT and all the other heavy equipment manufacturers out there they need to know that they can put their equipment together with hot glue and they will be able to save all that money they have been spending on solid wire and shielding gas.  As stated numerous times each process has its place and many overlap but to make some of the assumptions I have seen here just shows a lack of respect and knowledge.
Reply:I love the mig when your welding thin steel and you have a gap. The stick doesnt like to fill gaps as much.