Tip Tig?

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I see on Ed Craig's site that he is pushing a new welding process called Tip Tig. Looks like a tig torch with a mig type automatic wire feeder. The wire, either can or cannot depending on the situation, have power fed to it seperate from the tig. Looks intresting but also expensive DaKK
Reply:Originally Posted by dakookI see on Ed Craig's site that he is pushing a new welding process called Tip Tig. Looks like a tig torch with a mig type automatic wire feeder. The wire, either can or cannot depending on the situation, have power fed to it seperate from the tig. Looks intresting but also expensive
Reply:There claiming Tig results at close to Mig speeds. Since your local college has one why don't you try it and post a report. Would be intresting DaKK
Reply:Sounds like a semi automatic tig, which is a cold wire feeder with the end attatched to a tig torch.  It is used in robotic tig welding.  I've never seen anyone use one by hand but manual cold wire feed tig torch setups do exist.MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:I think this one is a hot wire set up which is to increase speed, sounds like it uses some sort of motion to agitate the puddle as well.  It's interesting but the claims are pretty high, it states that it's almost impossible to make defects....that all depends on what the inspection criteria and inspection methods are used to find the defects in my experience.
Reply:Interesting...If the wire's hot, why have a tungsten?  Hot wire with semi auto feed = GMAW/FCAWHot wire (rod) with manual feed = SMAWMM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith op
Reply:I might have a chance to play around with it soon. We are going to bend a bunch of people for in company testing so I'll be at the college anyway. If I remember I'll post it up. Honestly, I doubt its as amazing as it claims. Just doesn't seem that practical in the real world. Gimmicks(for the most part) in the welding world just don't seem to be as awesome as they always claim and only work in super specific situations. For example. Robots...GIGANTIC pain in the ***. Bug-o ...(automated track system) Even bigger pain in the ***. Pulse mig...over rated on anything but AL. Tig pens...only ever seen crappy welders use one. why is that? because they are a pain in the ***. I've worked for a few companies that think buying some new machine is going to somehow close the gap between their elite welders and the guys who just can't hack it. Never works. the only automation I like are positioners and pipe rollers. Even those piss me off from time to time. I think it comes down to this. A good welder will make a good weld no matter what equipment he is using. A bad welder is still going to make bad welds no matter what equipment you give him. I'm way to cranky for only 28
Reply:It's called TOPTIG, and Air Liquide developed it.http://www.airliquidewelding.cz/file...2386z18473.pdf
Reply:TIP TIG is a bit different than TOP TIG.Looks to be suitable for manual applications.http://www.tiptig.co.uk/index.htmRex
Reply:I just watched the videos of the tiptig and it looks pretty cool but dont you think it would take the self satisfaction out of tig welding. I know that when i lay down a good looking weld i feel pretty pleased with myself, the tiptig is kind of taking the skill out of it?
Reply:[QUOTE=dakook;299243]I see on Ed Craig's site that he is pushing a new welding process called Tip Tig. Looks like a tig torch with a mig type automatic wire feeder. The wire, either can or cannot depending on the situation, have power fed to it seperate from the tig. Looks intresting but also expensive :[ How can a wire feed look expensive and if this process does the work of three welders how important is the equipment cost?  Regards Ed Craig]
Reply:Over a 1000 TIP TIG units are in use in Europe and why speculate on this process when all the information you need is at www.weldreality.com. By the way there are no TIP TIG systems in use in the USA, Someone is confused, there are hot wire TIG systems available in the US however they cannot compete with the TIP TIG process. Regards Ed Craig
Reply:TOP TIG IS USED WITH ROBOTS AND HAS LITTLE IN COMMOM WITH TIP TIG WHICH IS SIMPLE EQUIPMENT THAT SIMPLIFIES PIPE WELDING AND PROVIDES SUPERIOR WELD QUALITY THAN TIG WHILE PROVIDING MIG WIRE RATES. ED all the info you need with applications is at www.weldreality.com
Reply:Originally Posted by pulserIt's called TOPTIG, and Air Liquide developed it.http://www.airliquidewelding.cz/file...2386z18473.pdf
Reply:Originally Posted by DesertRider33Interesting...If the wire's hot, why have a tungsten?  Hot wire with semi auto feed = GMAW/FCAWHot wire (rod) with manual feed = SMAW
Reply:Are we grouping orbital applications into the "robot" group here?  Any parameter you can set with TIP TIG can be duplicated with an orbital setup, and you can introduce joint geometries that significantly reduce your manhours and required deposition rate that cannot be touched by a manual weld.
Reply:It looks like TIPTIG imparts a vibration to the wire which they claim improves puddle wetting and weld soundness.  It's possible this could allow for increased deposition rates over "conventional" TIG, either manual or automated.The hot wire version of TIPTIG is the first time I've seen hot wire applied to manual welding.  Hot wire applications I've seen have been automated welds where high deposition rates and TIG quality were needed.
Reply:Originally Posted by SupeAre we grouping orbital applications into the "robot" group here?  Any parameter you can set with TIP TIG can be duplicated with an orbital setup, and you can introduce joint geometries that significantly reduce your manhours and required deposition rate that cannot be touched by a manual weld.
Reply:All that is well and good and yeah on plate or a wide open place but it would be kinda hard to get all that junk into the back side of a cooling tower or up in a three way joint.....BrandonLincoln Tombstone 225 A/C Steel StickerOld Victor O2/Acetylene setupMiller Syncrowave 250 Tig/PC-300 PulserMiller Millermatic 212 Mig HTP Invertatig 201 Giant Teck D50 Plasma cutterLots of HF grinders
Reply:So, has anybody seen how much a unit costs? British stuff! arms and legs to get one. Z
Reply:Looks interesting.... I'd like to see a report from an unbiased tester on here.Oh, and Ed, if you're reading this, you should really consider having a professional web developer work on your site.  The Tip Tig page is a huge wall of text and should be divided up quite a bit.
Reply:This looks good for large pipe and tanks. I'm not sure it would be useful anywhere else. This process reminds me of laying down a MIG bead and then immediately burning it in with TIG.