CWB/WTC/PRESSURE canadian certification question

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so.. basically im taking courses so that i am able to attain my WTC/CWB/PRESSURE certs.. and i got a question, between taking my courses and testing for certification are there any other hidden steps im missing here or is that all there is to it? thanks for any feedback, and im talking about ontario canada, or canada in general if its all the same in that way.
Reply:CWB is your plate welding cert. Pressure is your 6G pipe welding cert. These are different tests. Most of the time in the working world, you will have to re test at any job you go to regardless if you have the tickets already.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:Originally Posted by snoeproeCWB is your plate welding cert. Pressure is your 6G pipe welding cert. These are different tests. Most of the time in the working world, you will have to re test at any job you go to regardless if you have the tickets already.
Reply:I'm not sure exactly what you are you asking?You don't need any courses or diplomas to take a welding test. You simply pay your fee and take the tests. Pass and you get the tickets. Fail and your out your $$ and will have to re test to get the ticket.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:Originally Posted by snoeproeI'm not sure exactly what you are you asking?You don't need any courses or diplomas to take a welding test. You simply pay your fee and take the tests. Pass and you get the tickets. Fail and your out your $$ and will have to re test to get the ticket.
Reply:I am dumbfounded that you would come on to an American Welding Forum and ask a bunch of questions about welding in Canada....Go to the search bar on your web browser.... Start typing in "Welding Apprenticeship" and see what pops up.On my computer, the first thing is "Welding Apprenticeship in ONTARIO"Wow.... Imagine that.If you still need someone to do all of your research for you... here is the link to ALL of the Provincial & Territorial Apprenticeship Boards so you can read for yourself.http://www.ellischart.ca/[email protected]?cid=3It is all there.... FREE on the Internet... Just takes someone with a little initiative to look for it, and find it.Yes, I am aware that I am sounding like an A$$, but after working for years to earn my Journeyman Certificates AND Interprovincial Standards Red Seal Endorsements in both Automotive Mechanics and Welding, it Royally CHAFES my KNACKERS to see people that are too lazy to do any ground work, or research for themselves.If you are unwilling to tap a few keys on a keyboard, to get what you want (Welding) I can't imagine how fast you are gonna wash out when you have to WORK for it.I read the posts in your other thread.... If you honestly think you can learn EVERYTHING about Welding in some Mickey Mouse 16 week course, gather up your welding certs, and then come and compete with guys like ME for welding jobs... I would say "Good Luck", and that you are sadly, sadly mistaken.  It may be a reputable school, and may teach you basic skills to get you started, but you will have a LONG way to go after you graduate from there.Last edited by Black Wolf; 08-13-2009 at 10:25 PM.Later,Jason
Reply:Originally Posted by Black WolfI am dumbfounded that you would come on to an American Welding Forum and ask a bunch of questions about welding in Canada....Go to the search bar on your web browser.... Start typing in "Welding Apprenticeship" and see what pops up.On my computer, the first thing is "Welding Apprenticeship in ONTARIO"Wow.... Imagine that.If you still need someone to do all of your research for you... here is the link to ALL of the Provincial & Territorial Apprenticeship Boards so you can read for yourself.http://www.ellischart.ca/[email protected]?cid=3It is all there.... FREE on the Internet... Just takes someone with a little initiative to look for it, and find it.Yes, I am aware that I am sounding like an A$$, but after working for years to earn my Journeyman Certificates AND Interprovincial Standards Red Seal Endorsements in both Automotive Mechanics and Welding, it Royally CHAFES my KNACKERS to see people that are too lazy to do any ground work, or research for themselves.If you are unwilling to tap a few keys on a keyboard, to get what you want (Welding) I can't imagine how fast you are gonna wash out when you have to WORK for it.I read the posts in your other thread.... If you honestly think you can learn EVERYTHING about Welding in some Mickey Mouse 16 week course, gather up your welding certs, and then come and compete with guys like ME for welding jobs... I would say "Good Luck", and that you are sadly, sadly mistaken.  It may be a reputable school, and may teach you basic skills to get you started, but you will have a LONG way to go after you graduate from there.
Reply:Originally Posted by snappy101some junk on the net is nice, but id rather learn a few things about the trade from the canadians that are on this board, this isnt an american only board
Reply:snappy101What Black Wolf is saying to you is not junk on the net. He's a journeyman welder by trade. When your nothing more than a student it is good advice to ALWAYS listen to a journeyman tradesman. If you do finish school and are lucky enough to get an apprenticeship somewhere, you will apprentice under a journeyman tradesman. If you are going to go with the elective rout and challenge any certification welding test after school without taking an apprenticeship (which you can do in Ontario), I think you are going to be very surprised at your results your going to get.Good luck.Last edited by snoeproe; 08-14-2009 at 11:10 PM.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:Originally Posted by Black WolfNo, this ISN'T an American ONLY Board... But you not going to get responses strictly from Canadians on here.  Case in Point - Your first response in the other thread was from Alaska...You will have your hands full trying to sort out what information is about the US system, and what is about the Canadian system... THAT is why these types of open questions are not very productive.The information given to you isn't "Junk on the net"... It is the correct Apprenticeship information for each Province and Territory... No personal opinions, No BS, just rules and regulations.  You are asking if you are missing anything, well read for yourself, and find out.Some trades are Compulsory - meaning that you have to sign up for, and complete a proper apprenticeship.  Others are considered Elective - and you do not have to complete an apprenticeship.The "Junk on the Net" as you call it, will accurately tell you what the rules are for any Province of Territory that you may be interested in.If you are truly looking for information, and answers, you have been given it.I cannot give you an accurate answer as to how useful this course will be in helping you get a job in Ontario - where Welding in Elective... But I CAN tell you that it will be pretty much useless here in Alberta where Welding is Compulsory.THAT is why I gave you the link.... Different Province and Territories operate under different rules. For example: I would save you the frustration that two of my previous co-workers had when they invested Tens of Thousands of Dollars into a 2 year "Multi Skills" course at the College of the North Atlantic back in Newfoundland, only to move out here and find out that their training was NOT recognized in Alberta.It is up to YOU to read the rules and regulations for the region where you choose to live and work, and then decide the appropriate course of action to achieve your goals.
Reply:Originally Posted by snoeproesnappy101What Black Wolf is saying to you is not junk on the net. He's a journeyman welder by trade. When your nothing more than a student it is good advice to ALWAYS listen to a journeyman tradesman. If you do finish school and are lucky enough to get an apprenticeship somewhere, you will apprentice under a journeyman tradesman. If you are going to go with the elective rout and challenge any certification welding test after school without taking an apprenticeship (which you can do in Ontario), I think you are going to be very surprised at your results your going to get.Good luck.
Reply:I wish you luck. You speak on hear like you've already passed your courses and certification tests. A journeyman tradesman (and a teacher in a course) can spot an attitude like that right away and it will get you no where fast. You may not even have it in you to be a welder at all. Wanting to be a welder and actually having the ability can be two very different things. What type and amount of experience do you have right now? What processes?For your best interests you should worry about finishing whatever courses you plan on taking first. You have to learn to crawl before you learn to walk. Asking questions about finding welding jobs before you have any experience at all is well...premature to say the least.JasonLincoln Idealarc 250 stick/tigThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 52Miller Bobcat 250Torchmate CNC tableThermal Arc Hefty 2Ironworkers Local 720
Reply:Originally Posted by snappy101red seal endorsement deals with any interprovincial issues
Reply:LMAO,Wet behind the ears rookie telling Black Wolf what a "Red Seal" is.Hey Jason,  Hear Snappy may be looking to apprentice in Alberta.  After chewing on his azz til noon or so, you may be able to pass on lunch.Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:He can, but if he doesn't leave that attitude in Ontario, he will either be run off the site, or "Sleeping" on the shop floor before morning coffee.Later,Jason
Reply:Now Jason,We all know that welders are all likeable, warm and cudly, personalble,understanding, tolerant, helpful, cuddly, best buddy sort of guys.NOTSyncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:WOW!!! You guys are pretty cranky! I am a Mainline Pipeline welder,Red Seal JM, with almost 20yrs. burning the rod and I am floored at how you guys talk to each other on here! I would like to state my opinion on what I have just read and by no means try to piss anyone off. Just my 2cents.#1. I think that everyone diserves a chance and would go out of my way to help a beginner because none of the Old Timers would help me when I started and I think that is BS.#2. Our whole welding program in Canada(procedures etc.) are based on the American standards.#3.Yes, you need to pull your own weight and do the ground work yourself and shortcuts will cost you in the long run . APPRENTICSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why waste your time studying the wrong SH*& just Apprentice.#4. I do not know where the youg fella plans on working but it will be only a short time before the Red Seal will be required in every Province before being allowed to test for any Pressure tickets. And is already reqired in most.#5.I love the typical Alberta Attitude (kidding) , Better put my blocker up now!! Ha Ha
Reply:I would agree with most everything you have said, but #4 is incorrect.Interprovincial Standards Red Seal Program is on the way out.  With the new legislation coming online to increase the mobility of skilled labour, the IP program will become obsolete very soon.I can post up links if you would like.Now, I am rough around the edges, life has made me that way.  Look at my posts and you will see that I very generously posted up correct information to answer the pup's questions.Sooner of later, he will realize that he should just go to school already.Have a Good Night.Later,Jason
Reply:Originally Posted by SundownIIINow Jason,We all know that welders are all likeable, warm and cudly, personalble,understanding, tolerant, helpful, cuddly, best buddy sort of guys.NOT
Reply:thanks for those who were helpful, appreciated no comment to the low level humans taking this chance to e-squabble.
Reply:Originally Posted by snoeproeI wish you luck. You speak on hear like you've already passed your courses and certification tests. A journeyman tradesman (and a teacher in a course) can spot an attitude like that right away and it will get you no where fast. You may not even have it in you to be a welder at all. Wanting to be a welder and actually having the ability can be two very different things. What type and amount of experience do you have right now? What processes?For your best interests you should worry about finishing whatever courses you plan on taking first. You have to learn to crawl before you learn to walk. Asking questions about finding welding jobs before you have any experience at all is well...premature to say the least.
Reply:Originally Posted by Black WolfHe can, but if he doesn't leave that attitude in Ontario, he will either be run off the site, or "Sleeping" on the shop floor before morning coffee.
Reply:Okay, I'm gonna be a nice guy, and rise above your little comments...Enough said on that topic.Let's take another approach to this thread...Snoepro and myself are years ahead of you in this trade, and we have each, in our own way, tried to give you information that you were looking for...or needed to hear.From your initial inquiries, you have been given links to more than enough factual information (NO Opinions or Bias) from reputable websites with which to  extract the answers you are looking for.My question is: What SPECIFICALLY do you want to know?Assumptions are always a bad idea, but I am left to assume that you do not know anyone that is a welder, because if you did, most of these questions would be easily answerable by him/her.Do you want information specific to Ontario?Are you planning in staying in Ontario?Canada is NOT the same across the board - you have been given the links to read up on that.  Steps are in place to standardize training, and testing, and to try and put everyone on an even playing field, but it is not there yet, so it is up to you to do the research for your own specific situation.Quote:  "i plan to pre study, and take these courses that are specifically designed to train for passing of those certifications."Taken out of context, yes, but this thought is disturbing.  If you are going to a tech school to receive an education, you should select one that will teach you about all aspects of welding... From your words, you are looking in to one that will just teach you how to pass the certs, and by that thought process, you will be missing out on a LOT of information, wasting money, and doing yourself a dis-service. Personally, tech schools are a lot like Truck Driving schools... They teach you the basics, but you don't really learn anything until you are doing it "Hands On" in the real world, so why not START there and save your money?Ontario plays by different rules than Alberta, but if you were able to do it, I would recommend that you find a reputable company that is willing to sign you up to a proper Apprenticeship in Welding.... That way you can "Earn as you Learn"  instead of piling on a huge debtload with a tech school, and then try to find a job.Nice enough for ya?If not, I am sorry, that is the absolute best that I can, or will, do.Last edited by Black Wolf; 09-03-2009 at 01:21 AM.Later,Jason
Reply:You will find many companies that will accept someone who can pass their company test on one procedure.  Often these people cannot even light up a cutting torch.  They will have a simple CWB ticket and are stuck in that one job for the next 20 years if they are lucky.  If they are unlucky which is typical they get laid off and discover that no other company will hire them since they are only capable of doing one procedure.  Robots have replaced a lot of these production welding jobs but there are still a few around paying minimum wage.  With no proper training you get paid what you are worth.
Reply:Originally Posted by Black WolfOkay, I'm gonna be a nice guy, and rise above your little comments...Enough said on that topic.Let's take another approach to this thread...Snoepro and myself are years ahead of you in this trade, and we have each, in our own way, tried to give you information that you were looking for...or needed to hear.From your initial inquiries, you have been given links to more than enough factual information (NO Opinions or Bias) from reputable websites with which to  extract the answers you are looking for.My question is: What SPECIFICALLY do you want to know?Assumptions are always a bad idea, but I am left to assume that you do not know anyone that is a welder, because if you did, most of these questions would be easily answerable by him/her.Do you want information specific to Ontario?Are you planning in staying in Ontario?Canada is NOT the same across the board - you have been given the links to read up on that.  Steps are in place to standardize training, and testing, and to try and put everyone on an even playing field, but it is not there yet, so it is up to you to do the research for your own specific situation.Quote:  "i plan to pre study, and take these courses that are specifically designed to train for passing of those certifications."Taken out of context, yes, but this thought is disturbing.  If you are going to a tech school to receive an education, you should select one that will teach you about all aspects of welding... From your words, you are looking in to one that will just teach you how to pass the certs, and by that thought process, you will be missing out on a LOT of information, wasting money, and doing yourself a dis-service. Personally, tech schools are a lot like Truck Driving schools... They teach you the basics, but you don't really learn anything until you are doing it "Hands On" in the real world, so why not START there and save your money?Ontario plays by different rules than Alberta, but if you were able to do it, I would recommend that you find a reputable company that is willing to sign you up to a proper Apprenticeship in Welding.... That way you can "Earn as you Learn"  instead of piling on a huge debtload with a tech school, and then try to find a job.Nice enough for ya?If not, I am sorry, that is the absolute best that I can, or will, do.Originally Posted by lotechmanYou will find many companies that will accept someone who can pass their company test on one procedure.  Often these people cannot even light up a cutting torch.  They will have a simple CWB ticket and are stuck in that one job for the next 20 years if they are lucky.  If they are unlucky which is typical they get laid off and discover that no other company will hire them since they are only capable of doing one procedure.  Robots have replaced a lot of these production welding jobs but there are still a few around paying minimum wage.  With no proper training you get paid what you are worth.