Do the welds in this picture look horrible?

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I am not an expert welder but when I saw the following pics, I thought "wow those welds look horrible."Let me know what you pros think.Victor Journeyman OA TorchVictor Edge RegulatorsLincoln 180HD (240v) MIG/FCAWShark LT v7 CADMiller Digital Elite Helmet35 Milligrams of Insanity
Reply:I don't know about their strength (Hammer test) but they look sloppy. It reminds me of that motorcycle side car before some one fixed it, I'm blanking on their name.
Reply:Not bad if your blind in one eye and just can't see out of the other.
Reply:Not bad if appearance, strength, and quality are important to you. Otherwise, they look great!We want to see something like this in the signature line:Lincoln Ranger 250Miller Auto-Darkening Elite HelmetLincoln 100Lincoln MigMiller Spectrum 375Craftsman 8 galllon gas powered compressorLongevity 200amp Tig Welder LT-200D
Reply:That is, without a doubt, one of the worst hack-jobs I've seen posted in the last year.  I hope there aren't more of those on a vehicle, rolling down the highway somewhere.Benson's Mobile Welding - Dayton, OH metro area - AWS Certified Welding Inspector
Reply:looks like a pair of a-arms for an ATV or side by side... if thats on a car, i'd call it a death trap...
Reply:I love people that buy a hammer and call themselves a carpenter. "SOUTHPAW" A wise person learns from another persons mistakes;A smart person learns from their own mistakes;But, a stupid person.............never learns.
Reply:lol.. had to look to make sure they weren't mine... lol.. they aint... whew..if you're not livin on the edge, you're takin up too much room..
Reply:I weld better than that in my Be on the lookout..The last person that posted welds that were not theirs for the sake of our horror was given 30 days in the penalty box..Right Rojo?.....zap!I am not completely insane..Some parts are missing Professional Driver on a closed course....Do not attempt.Just because I'm a  dumbass don't mean that you can be too.So DON'T try any of this **** l do at home.
Reply:Originally Posted by zapsterI weld better than that in my Be on the lookout..The last person that posted welds that were not theirs for the sake of our horror was given 30 days in the penalty box..Right Rojo?.....zap!
Reply:welding looks sloppy but my concern is the fabrication.  why was was the tube where the hiems are attached to the spindle cut into two?  why couldn't that be one piece. Geometry/KPI?why do the a-arm end with flat stock? why is there a bolt between the spindle plate and the hiem tube?  who ever welded this should of started welding the battery box first.  With the internet, they should of asked more questions.Last edited by Stone_Elvis; 03-22-2010 at 09:29 PM.
Reply:What theres nothing at all wrong with those welds............as long as you don't look at them or want to trust them with your life...other then that that are perfect.JerodHypertherm 30Miller Syncrowave 200Millermatic 140and a propane torch and hanger if all else fails
Reply:The bird had diarrhea that day.Someone should steal this guys welding machine.  If caught, you could always claim you did it on behalf of "public safety".Syncro 250 DX Dynasty 200 DXMM 251 w/30A SG XMT 304 w/714 Feeder & Optima PulserHH187Dialarc 250 AC/DCHypertherm PM 1250Smith, Harris, Victor O/ASmith and Thermco Gas MixersAccess to a full fab shop with CNC Plasma, Water Jet, etc.
Reply:There is a ton of cold lap and lack of fusion. Not to mention lots of pits and what look like inclusions of various kinds. But other than that pristine.....examples of how not to weld.'Mike
Reply:Looks like someone was trying to make unequal A-arms, but made them unequal on the wrong end.The Lord has declared, "This is my work and my glory--to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man"  Moses 1:39Link: My name is John, and I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.-- ColdCreekWorks.com --
Reply:Originally Posted by RellsReally? Didnt mean to violate any rules here. I just wanted a second opinion to my personally uneducated opinion.
Reply:Wow ill be dammed!  i wondered who ended up with my blueprints for a 300 mph funny car.  looks like they followed my prints exactly.   they even remembered to put 1 tac-not weld that plate supporting the hub lol   is someone seriously going to get on the road with that............btw those welds are a thing of beauty.“I'm going to do the thing that God put Galen Beasley on this Earth to do:Have Salon quality hair and weld.Nothing like a good cup of coffee and the smell of 6010 burning in the morning. 971-204-3444 cell API ASME Structural NDT and Repair
Reply:Originally Posted by galencwiWow ill be dammed!  i wondered who ended up with my blueprints for a 300 mph funny car.  looks like they followed my prints exactly.   they even remembered to put 1 tac-not weld that plate supporting the hub lol   is someone seriously going to get on the road with that............btw those welds are a thing of beauty.
Reply:Some people need to put the welder down and let someone with experience throw down.  I have to agree with what another poster already stated.  The welds are not the only issue.  The person needs to learn how to fabricate just as much as they need to learn how to weld.  Wow.... that rig is going to hurt someone."I Build Stuff"www.jmrmfg.comwww.509media.com
Reply:Originally Posted by RellsIt would be interesting if someone could take a paint program and mark up the images with arrows and text to show all the defects.
Reply:I am not a pro but those are Really Really Bad ,to the point of making me feel sorry for myself for having to see them.Otherwise though there fineFelonPs what ibanezed4yrs said and another whewLast edited by Felonyass Monk; 03-23-2010 at 01:28 PM.Caution lurker lives here" hmmm That is serious,pass the ganja and pick up a  24 of MGD"
Reply:I had a bit of extra time today i was going to put it up on paint, but really everything these guy's have said sums it up bad fabrication and design and pretty much all the welds are horrible especially for such a load bearing application, I WOULD NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES USE THAT ON THE ROAD OR DIRT and please pass on the message so no one gets injured or killed!!!Cigweld Transmig 265seBoc 140amp StickBoss 200amp AC/DC TIGLincoln Electric Invertec V260-S
Reply:I followed the link to the pics.  I wanted to see if I could contact the orig owner to invite him here.  that way we could help him out. I want to help more than I want to bash.
Reply:Yup, they sure do, glad I'm not driving it or get near it, Just 1 additional  comment apart from all the other  comments that everyone here has said, is it me or is that single tack weld holding everything together???? Attached ImagesMiller Auto Invision 456 + S-62 wire feederC6240B1 Gap bed lathe16 ft3 air compressor16 speed pedestal drillHafco BS-912 Bandsaw
Reply:I notice he's got some tubing laying on the floor there.  I hope he's not intending to build the chassis or roll cage himself too....MM350P/Python/Q300MM175/Q300DialarcHFHTP MIG200PowCon300SMHypertherm380ThermalArc185Purox oaF350CrewCab4x4LoadNGo utilitybedBobcat250XMT304/Optima/SpoolmaticSuitcase12RC/Q300Suitcase8RC/Q400Passport/Q300Smith ophey, just because i welded that for you doesn't mean you get to post my welds on the internet!!!!!seriously, i've made welds like that with an OA torch.  I'm sure we've all made ugly welds like that.  some of us will let it pass and charge people anyway, but I think most will not.
Reply:Originally Posted by llamafurI don't know about their strength (Hammer test) but they look sloppy. It reminds me of that motorcycle side car before some one fixed it, I'm blanking on their name.
Reply:Originally Posted by SundownIIIThe bird had diarrhea that day.
Reply:If they were done for free, by a friend of yours who did some welding back in high school, they're not too bad.I would trust them to be in a vehicle I was driving.CWI, CWE, CST for Miller, Lincoln, Thermadyne, Hypertherm & ESABMillermatic 350PLincoln Invertec 205 AC/DCVictor combo torchESAB PCM 1125
Reply:Originally Posted by MaedarIf they were done for free, by a friend of yours who did some welding back in high school, they're not too bad.I would trust them to be in a vehicle I was driving.
Reply:I've seen worse welds.Some of the tack welds look OK, for tack welds.  Yeah, it does need 'some' rework on the design and the workmanship.  The best laid schemes ... Gang oft agley ...
Reply:Do your friend a favor.  Give him some flat stock (cut a bunch of 6"X1" pieces) a hood and MAKE him pratice on lap joints, t joints and butt welds.   If he got that far in to fab and didn't know any better he really needs help.  Once he understands what good penetration is and how to set up a welder properly-then he needs to understand basic fabrication and basic cad design or how to google a blueprint on a decent hub assembly.  I gotta give it to him for being creative.  but he's risking his life and others if he doesnt understand what he's doing.“I'm going to do the thing that God put Galen Beasley on this Earth to do:Have Salon quality hair and weld.Nothing like a good cup of coffee and the smell of 6010 burning in the morning. 971-204-3444 cell API ASME Structural NDT and Repair
Reply:The welds aren't great by any means, but maybe he's still working on the piece... HOPEFULLY!!  What just makes my skin crawl is the engineering on the whole thing!
Reply:Originally Posted by galencwiDo your friend a favor.  Give him some flat stock (cut a bunch of 6"X1" pieces) a hood and MAKE him pratice on lap joints, t joints and butt welds.   If he got that far in to fab and didn't know any better he really needs help.  Once he understands what good penetration is and how to set up a welder properly-then he needs to understand basic fabrication and basic cad design or how to google a blueprint on a decent hub assembly.  I gotta give it to him for being creative.  but he's risking his life and others if he doesnt understand what he's doing.
Reply:It never ceases to amaze us what can be attempted. What is REALLY amazing is some of the stuff we see that will hold up to almost anything, and yet some projects that look really well built fail almost instantly. I have more than one middle of the night please fix this kinda projects that were never meant for long term service, and yet years later they are still holding up.FWIW, tell the builder of the project he needs to look at the hub, and really consider the bolts used as studs, and the tabs they are attached to. That stuff needs some real work, lest he use it and find those problem areas fail quickly.And then, after so much work...... you have it in your hand, and you look over to your side...... and the runner has run off. Leaving you holding the prize, wondering when the runner will return.