Oil Bath to Dry Air Filter

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I'm wanting to change my F162 from the stock oil bath air filter to a dry air filter. Is there a drop in filter element that anyone knows of that will fit in the factory canister? Any ideas?StephenMillermatic 251Miller Syncrowave 200Miller 30A SpoolgunHypertherm Powermax 30Etc., etc., etc.............Cancer Sucks!
Reply:Just curious but. . . why?  Can't beat an oil bath for effectiveness and efficiency.  Only reasons they died off is convenience and filter companies couldn't make money off oil for oil baths.But to answer your question, being of completely different internal designs, there is no "drop in" paper filter element for the original oil bath units.  At least none that I've ever seen, heard of or would be even remotely interested in using.However, many of the websites for SA-200 parts and service offer paper element filter kits if you really want to change over.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:any pictures or dimensions for the factory filter housing? look at UNI air filters, foam filters work better IMO than paper, especially with a pre-filter element for dusty conditions. you can also run them dry but I would say the spray oil is by far better than a "dry" filter and not very hard to deal with."...My pappy was a pistol I'm a son of a gun...""...God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy..."
Reply:For the price of this conversion, I'll stay with the original! http://www.weldmart.com/SA200%20Reli...r%20Filter.htmDon’t pay any attention to meI’m just a hobbyist!CarlDynasty 300V350-Pro w/pulseSG Spool gun1937 IdealArc-300PowerArc 200ST3 SA-200sVantage 400
Reply:Originally Posted by Crawfordany pictures or dimensions for the factory filter housing? look at UNI air filters, foam filters work better IMO than paper, especially with a pre-filter element for dusty conditions. you can also run them dry but I would say the spray oil is by far better than a "dry" filter and not very hard to deal with.
Reply:I believe I've found what I was looking for from K & N.......anyone used one of these?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Linco...Q5fAccessoriesLast edited by goinssr; 12-21-2010 at 10:05 PM.StephenMillermatic 251Miller Syncrowave 200Miller 30A SpoolgunHypertherm Powermax 30Etc., etc., etc.............Cancer Sucks!
Reply:No I haven't but at $34.99 plus $10 shipping and $2.50/qt. for 30wt non-detergent that's 18 filter sevices and I doubt you'll get that many messy and more involved washings of that K&N that IMO make an awful lot of questionable claims.Just my second $.02. MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55No I haven't but at $34.99 plus $10 shipping and $2.50/qt. for 30wt non-detergent that's 18 filter sevices and I doubt you'll get that many messy and more involved washings of that K&N that IMO make an awful lot of questionable claims.Just my second $.02.
Reply:The "problem" - if you will - with paper/cloth filters is they get more effective the dirtier they get (smaller passages for dirt to get thru) but get less efficient due to increased restriction.  Oil baths remain constant in both regards.MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55The "problem" - if you will - with paper/cloth filters is they get more effective the dirtier they get (smaller passages for dirt to get thru) but get less efficient due to increased restriction.  Oil baths remain constant in both regards.
Reply:I like these foam filters too.  Very much.  This is what I've had on my mowers for years.  When they look dirty I just wash them out with gas, squeeze them dry and pour oil on them, squeeze the oil in and pull them back on. They do last a long time. Crawford...are you running one on a 162/163?  If so which size do you run?StephenMillermatic 251Miller Syncrowave 200Miller 30A SpoolgunHypertherm Powermax 30Etc., etc., etc.............Cancer Sucks!
Reply:Originally Posted by goinssrI like these foam filters too.  Very much.  This is what I've had on my mowers for years.  When they look dirty I just wash them out with gas, squeeze them dry and pour oil on them, squeeze the oil in and pull them back on. They do last a long time. Crawford...are you running one on a 162/163?  If so which size do you run?
Reply:I used to run a foam filter on my old Panhead.  Am not a fan of those filters and here is why:- The amount of oil left after squeezing out the excess varies from time to time.- Variations in weather (temp) makes a difference in how restrictive that coating of oil can be.I got sick and tired of adjusting the carb to compensate for those variables.Just my two centsGordie -- "I believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Reply:No doubt the off-road applications are a whole different animal but I find it interesting that a "superior" foam filter (per the manufacturer) still uses oil to get the job done. MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Originally Posted by NiteskyI used to run a foam filter on my old Panhead.  Am not a fan of those filters and here is why:- The amount of oil left after squeezing out the excess varies from time to time.- Variations in weather (temp) makes a difference in how restrictive that coating of oil can be.I got sick and tired of adjusting the carb to compensate for those variables.Just my two cents
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55No doubt the off-road applications are a whole different animal but I find it interesting that a "superior" foam filter (per the manufacturer) still uses oil to get the job done.
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55No doubt the off-road applications are a whole different animal but I find it interesting that a "superior" foam filter (per the manufacturer) still uses oil to get the job done.
Reply:Well there ya go goinssr.  Oil to rescue again.I'd be willing to bet I could have an oil bath drained, washed and back in service and unit running while one is still waiting for the K&N to dry out after a messy washing enough to re-oil it. MM200 w/Spoolmatic 1Syncrowave 180SDBobcat 225G Plus - LP/NGMUTT Suitcase WirefeederWC-1S/Spoolmatic 1HF-251D-1PakMaster 100XL '68 Red Face Code #6633 projectStar Jet 21-110Save Second Base!
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55Well there ya go goinssr.  Oil to rescue again.I'd be willing to bet I could have an oil bath drained, washed and back in service and unit running while one is still waiting for the K&N to dry out after a messy washing enough to re-oil it.
Reply:Originally Posted by CrawfordI threw all my filters in my washing machine, so I'm not gonna take that bet.
Reply:So here is the deal, do you really need to wash an oil bath filter?  No.  A lot of people would be offended if you put a filter back into service with a spec of dirt anywhere near the filter or even the housing.  But, honestly, with an oil bath filter, just pour the oil out and refill it.  Most of the dirt will come out with the pour, some will stay behind.  The dirt that stays behind isn't excatly going to hurt any thing.I work in the maritime industry, most of the contaminants our filters see are diesel soot.  We change the filters on our main engines regularly, maybe once every 3000 hours and the pre-filters at 1500ish hours.  Our auxiliaries that run gauze filters (similar to K&N) get cleaned every 500 hours.  We never pay our oil bath filters any attention.
Reply:Originally Posted by 76GMC1500So here is the deal, do you really need to wash an oil bath filter?  No.  A lot of people would be offended if you put a filter back into service with a spec of dirt anywhere near the filter or even the housing.  But, honestly, with an oil bath filter, just pour the oil out and refill it.  Most of the dirt will come out with the pour, some will stay behind.  The dirt that stays behind isn't excatly going to hurt any thing.
Reply:It seems like this horse had had several good whippings.With that, I'll just throw in my two-cents anyway, and mention that I'm definitely a dry element kinda' guy. However, not just any old open dry element will do, it's gotta be one assembled in a housing equipped with a pre-cleaner and plumbed with 100% sealed connections. For  what it's worth, the oil-bath Lincolns had a wide-open, un-sealed, un-filtered, flow path in their original design. Yes, that was acceptable in the "good old days" when ring and valve life was relatively short anyway. But now, with today's long-lasting engine components, we know  that even small un-filtered leaks are detrimental to long life.Despite the factory leak, for Lincoln's oil-bath to work as designed, it must be serviced D-A-I-L-Y.  Who does that??What has been learned since oil-bath days, is that it's during the course of the servicing of its air filters that an engine is most likely to be exposed to a strong dose of damaging abrasives. In the properly maintained oil-bath's case, that would be daily. Whereas with a properly maintained dry element, the intake opening intervals could be thousands of hours apart.Experience has shown that oil-bath filtered air intakes are almost always cruddy and gummy inside, while engines equipped with dry elements and pre-cleaners are usually found to be  " finger lickin'  " clean inside. To me, that's strong evidence of the dry system's effectiveness.So those are a few of the reason why "dry" is my vote. But... let's hear it for oil too.Good LuckLast edited by denrep; 12-22-2010 at 02:53 PM.
Reply:Originally Posted by CrawfordWeird, never had a problem with temperature from the high 30's to 117*F Then again I only applied oil to the outside of the filter which is the only place you should apply oil on a foam filter. Doesn't need it on the inside.
Reply:Originally Posted by duaneb55Don't know if you're talking to me or just making a general statement GMC but basically that's what I meant by "washing" although I wash out the residual oil/dirt from the oil bowl in the parts washer tank and blow/wipe dry.  I wasn't referring to washing the oil/air seperating wire wool in the housing out as that tends to get a natural cleaning action as the oil seperates out of the air and drains back into the bowl during normal operation.I like Cat's new filter.  It's got like 100x the surface are as a standard paper filter.  It's still disposeable.  But it's very expensive.  Ours cost $350 a pop but they only get changed once every 3000 hours.