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Well I am bored and there isn't any work to do here so I took some picsof a project I did and our shop here in the desert. The Microwave stand was a I'm bored out of my mind I want to build something kind of thing. Made out of 1'' square tubing and 3/16 sheet for the shelves and expanded metal for the sides. Mig welded. Nothing special.Other pics are the welders and other shop equipment at my disposal. I have some other projects going right now and will post pics but waiting on the materials right now. Enjoy. Attached Images
Reply:Other shop pics. Last pic is a sand storm we had a couple of weeks ago. Taken at 4:30 in the afternoon. The sand blocked out the sun. Pretty crazy Attached Images
Reply:Wish I had a shop like that!
Reply:First off...How in the hell do you get bored in a shop like that? Ideas are just rolling through my mind!second....you can keep your sand storms. I think your last one ended up here at my place in Yuma.Keep the pics coming bro!Lincoln Power Mig 210MP MIGLincoln Power Mig 350MP - MIG and Push-PullLincoln TIG 300-300Lincoln Hobby-Weld 110v  Thanks JLAMESCK TIG TORCH, gas diffuser, pyrex cupThermal Dynamics Cutmaster 101My brain
Reply:Originally Posted by Joker11First off...How in the hell do you get bored in a shop like that? Ideas are just rolling through my mind!second....you can keep your sand storms. I think your last one ended up here at my place in Yuma.Keep the pics coming bro!
Reply:Is your shop a/c and how many square ft, if you don't mind.ThanksJohn
Reply:My shop floor does have a/c but I think the building is to big for the a/c unit. It stays around mid 80's with it cranked but outside is 117 degrees plus. So it's better butstill warm. The shop is around 5K square feet. We are machinist and welders and the other guys that share the shop with us are sheet metal. Being that we are deployed the shop is actually not that bad. Better machines and tooling than I expected. I will post some pics of the bi-plane project that I did tomorrow.
Reply:Wait, so this isnt your personal shop. You're in the military, and you work in the shop?Thanks for doing what you do though, if that is the case!
Reply:Yeah I wish this was my shop. I really wish. Yeah I'm the military and yes I work in the shop. We weld and fabricate aircraft related metal. Thank you for your support to. I know this isn't the most popular war these days.
Reply:Ahhh, the "Location:Tucson, Arizona" threw some of us off there.Bored in a war kind of beats relentless incoming though, doesn't it?  Some project ideas:- cable/hose managment for the shop machines/tools/torches, instead of them being draped over single peg/post/hook, make curved 'large' diameter spool/shelf/bracket/whatever for the cables and hoses to coil/drape/rest on;- scale A-10, display only or R/C control functional.  Extra-credit: make your own scale jet engines;- make your shop a tube bender, if you don't already have one.  Depending on budget and procurement 'issues', getting raw stock might be easier than ordering a machine;- make auxiliary 'swamp coolers' for the shop;- shop-made cyclone dust collector;- make frame and have sheetmetal guys make auxilliary IR-reflective sheetmetal roofing system to cut-down on direct solar heat gain, there-by making existing AC system less overwhelmed (Ummm, boss, we would like to order 6k square feet of 20 gauge or so stainless sheet, to cover the entire building roof as a solar heat reflector);- etc, etc, etc  Semper Fi/hoorah! or Hoah! ?  The best laid schemes ... Gang oft agley ...
Reply:I forgot about the location thing my bad guys. Well that's where I live in the states.And you are right, I would rather be bored than being shot at regularly. Good point.You know I do like the cable/hose brackets. That would be easy and functional.Good idea.I have made an A-10 model out of stainless using .060'' stainless sheet and tubing for the engines. It turned out alright. Already shipped it back home so no pics of that. We have quite a few tubing benders already. Hand and a 25 or so foot table style benderthat takes up a corner of the shop. It would be fun to make a hand one though for kicks. I don't think they would cough up the money for that much sheet metal. Ha It takes long enough to get any kind of metal here period. I will post some pics of the hose/cable bracket tomorrow.
Reply:Hey bud I'm a 6A7X1 as well.  Wonder if I know ya?  Nice looking shop, I'll let the guys here look at the pics and see if they've been there...
Reply:Originally Posted by 79TEXANHey bud I'm a 6A7X1 as well.  Wonder if I know ya?  Nice looking shop, I'll let the guys here look at the pics and see if they've been there...
Reply:I have no clue why I said 6A7, it's been a long day here.  Yes I'm a 2A7 in the AF.  We are at Carswell JRB in Ft Worth... 136th.  I've never seen a full machine shop like that in the desert, very nice. If you need any information or just something you can't find, let us know and I'll do what I can to hook you up from the base here.  We don't have much but it never hurts to have a different contact sometimes.  DSN 874-3536     Ask for Dishman or DeLeon
Reply:I was army and we didn't even have an air impact. I wasn't a welder or mechanic, but I did go to AIT at the only Air Force base with no airplanes, heheh. Had more Army personnel than Air Force, lol. Probably closed it down by now but it was Goodfellow AFB in San Angelo.My nephew has been back about a year now (army too) and said the worst part of his tour in Iraq was the boredom. Watch your butt and take care.The difference between art and craft is the quality of the workmanship. I am an artist.
Reply:79TEXAN- I do have a question that we are having trouble finding the anwser to. We are trying to find a NSN part number for 2 inch square steel tubing 1/4'' wall. We can't findit on our NSN list. I was very surpised to see that we have a shop set up like this to. Having a CNC latheout here is pretty rare. We have a new heat treat oven and CNC mill on order to.I was expecting just to have a tool box and a drill press..Goodfellow AFB is still open as far as I know. That's were they have the NCO academy. Some days are very boring but having this much equipment and a decent metal rack makes you dream stuff up to make to kill some time. That and the metal working practice helps to.
Reply:Pics of my Bi-plane I made using the blueprints off of the Lincoln Welding web page. The welds could have been better though. Just couldn't get the row down. Maybe to muchcaffine or something. Pics are a little fuzzy due to the crap camera. Attached Images
Reply:Originally Posted by Mr.Bigweld79TEXAN- I do have a question that we are having trouble finding the anwser to. We are trying to find a NSN part number for 2 inch square steel tubing 1/4'' wall. We can't findit on our NSN list.
Reply:Originally Posted by 79TEXANI searched on FED LOG and nothing came up in the ITEM_NAME search box.  For the FSC serach, I typed in 4710 and 78,987 matches came up.  But that gets us nowhere still.Robins' website has a T.O. reference webpage that might help on something and is a great reference guide if your ever in a bind about heat treating or specs on certain alloys...Section 1-1A-9 http://www.robins.af.mil/library/technicalorders.aspI'm going to keep looking for that NSN today and see what I can find.  Sorry I was no help findin the NSN, I'll keep lookin!
Reply:How about just order commercial?Fastenal - 2x2 1/4 wall steel structural tube P/N 0951077http://www.fastenal.com/web/products...ex?sku=0951077Or have your supply/logistics/procurement person pull -their- hair out finding the applicable NSN cross reference.The closest I could find is NSN 4710-0072-62160  2x2 x 0.083 A513 steel in random 60" to 288" lengths.  The best laid schemes ... Gang oft agley ...
Reply:Originally Posted by MoonRiseHow about just order commercial?Fastenal - 2x2 1/4 wall steel structural tube P/N 0951077http://www.fastenal.com/web/products...ex?sku=0951077Or have your supply/logistics/procurement person pull -their- hair out finding the applicable NSN cross reference.The closest I could find is NSN 4710-0072-62160  2x2 x 0.083 A513 steel in random 60" to 288" lengths.
Reply:Ive made that plane in welding class before lol and is that SNOW ??????
Reply:Originally Posted by 1994rm250Ive made that plane in welding class before lol and is that SNOW ??????
Reply:Hey Mr. Bigweld,Thanks for being there for us, sorry about the boredom. I was an AF cook many years ago, 1968-1976, no dessert experience here, all tropical, Combat Support. BTW, Nice shop! Bruce The Welding ChefLincoln Weld-Pack 3200 NORWELD StickStanford Hill Farm
Reply:Originally Posted by BruceHey Mr. Bigweld, I was an AF cook many years ago, 1968-1976, no dessert experience here, all tropical, Combat Support. BTW, Nice shop!More than I care to remember.  Bruce The Welding ChefLincoln Weld-Pack 3200 NORWELD StickStanford Hill Farm
Reply:Here's another project we did. I fuel tanker that had a forklift run into it. Gouged the support beam. Just have pics of the damage and the patch that I made and welded.The night shift finished the project and returned the truck before I could get after pics.Here's what I have. Attached Images
Reply:The patch was 14" by 5" by 3". with a bottom plate that was 14" by 3".Unfortunetly they didn't want to wait anymore for some 1/4 6061 T-6 so I made it out of1/4" 7075 T-6. I used our Miller Syncrowave 350 LX  running at 185, 30 on cover gas,using 1/8 4043 filler. Attached Images
Reply:Ummm, 7075 is considered a non-weldable aluminum alloy.  7075 "should never be welded for structural applications" (Lincoln Electric).  7075 and the 7XXX alloys also often suffer from poor corrosion performance.Exceptions to the general classification of "unweldable" to the 7XXX alloys are 7003, 7005, and 7039; all of which as classed as weldable.Did you determine what the original material was before making the repair?  Without knowing the specific alloy involved, it is plain foolish to make or try to make a weld on aluminum.  Aluminum, much more so than steel, can be subtly but profoundly different in the mechanical and welding properties between the different alloys.Your original 'plan' of 6061 welded with 4043 was generally OK, except for the unknown of what was the aluminum alloy on the original material.Using 7075 and then welding it is no good.  I would really say to remove your 7075 repair.  Then find out what the original material was, if it is repairable/weldable, then if so use the 6061 with 4043 filler if that is compatible with the original alloy.You have a repair TM for that specific tanker that says what is repairable and how to do so, right?  The original support was welded, but that doesn't necessarily mean it can be repaired via welding.  Tag that tanker as out-of-service.  About the only exception I could think of would be if you are being overrun, and even then I'd probably still say it is out-of-service.  The best laid schemes ... Gang oft agley ...
Reply:Originally Posted by MoonRiseUmmm, 7075 is considered a non-weldable aluminum alloy.  7075 "should never be welded for structural applications" (Lincoln Electric).  7075 and the 7XXX alloys also often suffer from poor corrosion performance.Exceptions to the general classification of "unweldable" to the 7XXX alloys are 7003, 7005, and 7039; all of which as classed as weldable.Did you determine what the original material was before making the repair?  Without knowing the specific alloy involved, it is plain foolish to make or try to make a weld on aluminum.  Aluminum, much more so than steel, can be subtly but profoundly different in the mechanical and welding properties between the different alloys.Your original 'plan' of 6061 welded with 4043 was generally OK, except for the unknown of what was the aluminum alloy on the original material.Using 7075 and then welding it is no good.  I would really say to remove your 7075 repair.  Then find out what the original material was, if it is repairable/weldable, then if so use the 6061 with 4043 filler if that is compatible with the original alloy.You have a repair TM for that specific tanker that says what is repairable and how to do so, right?  The original support was welded, but that doesn't necessarily mean it can be repaired via welding.  Tag that tanker as out-of-service.  About the only exception I could think of would be if you are being overrun, and even then I'd probably still say it is out-of-service.
Reply:Do it right, do it once.Do it wrong, and you have to redo it AND have possibly more damage when the 'repair' fails.If the truck was tagged out of service after the forklift gouged the rib/beam, then it is still out of service until it is repaired.  And repaired means the right materials and design and workmanship for the job.Using the the right design and workmanship but wrong material means the repair is wrong.  The same as using the wrong design or the wrong workmanship.I understand that you are " the grunt".  I understand about long supply times in and to the 'sandbox'.  But quite frankly, unless you are the ordering/supply/logistics grunt, it's not your job or problem.  The chief should get on the supply-side of things and push -there-, not push you.  And if you have a bunch of aluminum things to repair via welding, there should be a bunch of aluminum in the shop that is WELDABLE.Can't get the material from the supplier direct to you?  How about have your CONUS base order the materials commercially, have it delivered there, and then have them ship it out to you.You know the 7075 was the wrong material for a weld repair, the chief knows it, everyone knows it.Yeah, 7075 is "know to crack" when welded, THAT'S why it is considered a non-weldable alloy!OK, how about this approach instead?  The chief tells you to weld the 7075, you say "Sure thing!  But we don't have the right filler for it.  The 4043 isn't listed/rated as compatible, the 5356 is no good either (and wouldn't be the right filler even with the right plate, because of the 150F service temp limit for welds made with that filler).  As soon as we get the right filler to weld 7075, I'll get right on it.  Have the supply clerk order some, he/she will probably have to contact the filler manufacturers first to make sure the right material is ordered."7075 might be used as a temporary fix on the rib/beam, but it's still not a weldable alloy.  Bolt or rivet the temp 7075 plate over the gouged rib/beam, until the right 6061 plate gets delivered.  Then remove the temp 7075 'fish-plates', remove the gouged and now full-of-holes rib/beam, fabricate new (section or complete) rib/beam out of 6061 and weld it with 4043 filler.  Done, and done right.  The best laid schemes ... Gang oft agley ...
Reply:Originally Posted by MoonRiseDo it right, do it once.Do it wrong, and you have to redo it AND have possibly more damage when the 'repair' fails.If the truck was tagged out of service after the forklift gouged the rib/beam, then it is still out of service until it is repaired.  And repaired means the right materials and design and workmanship for the job.Using the the right design and workmanship but wrong material means the repair is wrong.  The same as using the wrong design or the wrong workmanship.I understand that you are " the grunt".  I understand about long supply times in and to the 'sandbox'.  But quite frankly, unless you are the ordering/supply/logistics grunt, it's not your job or problem.  The chief should get on the supply-side of things and push -there-, not push you.  And if you have a bunch of aluminum things to repair via welding, there should be a bunch of aluminum in the shop that is WELDABLE.Can't get the material from the supplier direct to you?  How about have your CONUS base order the materials commercially, have it delivered there, and then have them ship it out to you.You know the 7075 was the wrong material for a weld repair, the chief knows it, everyone knows it.Yeah, 7075 is "know to crack" when welded, THAT'S why it is considered a non-weldable alloy!OK, how about this approach instead?  The chief tells you to weld the 7075, you say "Sure thing!  But we don't have the right filler for it.  The 4043 isn't listed/rated as compatible, the 5356 is no good either (and wouldn't be the right filler even with the right plate, because of the 150F service temp limit for welds made with that filler).  As soon as we get the right filler to weld 7075, I'll get right on it.  Have the supply clerk order some, he/she will probably have to contact the filler manufacturers first to make sure the right material is ordered."7075 might be used as a temporary fix on the rib/beam, but it's still not a weldable alloy.  Bolt or rivet the temp 7075 plate over the gouged rib/beam, until the right 6061 plate gets delivered.  Then remove the temp 7075 'fish-plates', remove the gouged and now full-of-holes rib/beam, fabricate new (section or complete) rib/beam out of 6061 and weld it with 4043 filler.  Done, and done right.